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12 hours ago, IviewHD said:

I assume your saying the motion handling is not as good as it was with the plasma with a 1080i signal.Can you describe the difference and elaborate on any artefacts you are seeing?

I'm not great with the lingo but yes, more noticible artefacts and perhaps not quite as sharp. Not positive if it's based on motion as changing motion control makes no difference. 

It just appears to be a very unforgiving TV when it comes to average sources imo. I mean my plasma was fantastic but I expected a little more for 5 grand.. still hoping for a magical fix but unlikely.

My Surface Pro 3 running at 4k looks amazing and 1080p on xbox and PS4 are excellent too. Just a shame about Foxtel.

1080p content on Netflix looks about the same as my plasma. When it kicks into 4k it's better but nowhere near the LG promotional material. I heard Netflix is significantly compressed so makes sense.

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Average source material looks pretty ordinary on any TV although in my experience, plasma seems to handle poor source pictures better than LDC.  Is your Foxtel sd or hd.

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The change in size could also be a factor, as it's easier to notice artefacts on a larger screen.

I noticed a drop in quality going from a 50 inch Kuro to a 65 inch VT60 on SD\free to air content.

Also your old plasma may have had more "intelligent" software to perform up-scaling.

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1 hour ago, Mullins_Y2k said:

My Fox is set to output at 1080i (Highest res on my box). My upgrade in size was only 5". 60"-65". 

That could be a factor in your Foxtel pq mate ; without any source direct selected on your iq and output set to 1080i any sd signal would be upscaled twice ; once to 1080i by the not so hot processor in the iq then again to uhd 4k by the much better one in the B6 ..

If the B6 could use its processing to scale  once it would help perhaps ; the plasma being 1080p you would only be upscaling once to 1080p :) Its harder for any algorithm to scale/extrapolate 576i to 4k than 2k  as well. Any 1080i channels would only have to be deinterlaced to progressive by the plasma ; no scaling at all..

Good to read your thoughts ; should look even better with a uhd player with good tone mapping to the B6'S nit level ; as the oppo looks to have ; its a lot more complicated with HDR than it was with rec709 . 

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In the Foxtel advanced hdmi picture menu, choose 'pass through' instead of 1080i or auto.

That way you will get the best upscaling as cwt suggests.

 

Benje

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Yeah im already using passthrough. Switching to 1080i looks identical. 

Love the Tv overal. My only other gripe is that on the aussie version of the remote, they got rid of the rewind/ff buttons. Massive oversight!

You can bring them up buy pressing the remote button scrolling over then pushing FF but it's fiddly, not wife proof and takes 3 seconds rather than 0.5. this isn't an issue on Netflix as u can use the D PAD, but fox and most cable boxes will suffer from this.... 

I might buy the bloody European E6 remote if I find out that works.

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On ‎29‎/‎08‎/‎2016 at 5:57 PM, MLXXX said:

Mello, have you really seen a SONY OLED in a shop demo? Where was that?

That was my question too. SONY don't have any OLED TVs in the marketplace.

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18 hours ago, duke said:

The IQ3 does 1080p.

1080i and 1080p are the same for movie content (progressive 24-25fps) and 1080i is better for sport due to being 50fps.

The IQ3 is simply deinterlacing just like the TV would have to to get 1080p, no advantage there. In fact I would rather the TV do it.

The issue with free to air, Foxtel and streaming providers is lack of bandwidth, it kills picture quality and resolution.

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27 minutes ago, Owen said:

1080i and 1080p are the same for movie content (progressive 24-25fps)

So why do Blurays come in 1080p?

Never heard anyone say 1080i and 1080p are just as good as each other.

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3 hours ago, miata said:

SONY don't have any OLED TVs in the marketplace.

Apart from professional monitors... no.

https://pro.sony.com.au/pro/products/broadcast-products-professional-monitors-oled-monitors

Back in 2012 there was this article that said Sony and Pana had agreed to jointly produce OLED panels... but I haven't seen any info since to say that this happened.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201206/12-0625E/index.html

JSmith :ninja:

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2 hours ago, duke said:

So why do Blurays come in 1080p?

Not all do...

Mostly they do though, which means there is no de-interlacing required at all, reducing any processing.

JSmith :ninja:

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3 hours ago, duke said:

So why do Blurays come in 1080p?

Because the original source is normally progressive at 24fps, no point in putting it in an interlaced container. Video that is shot interlaced and distributed on Bluray is in 1080i 50/60 on disk. It cant be converted to progressive because 1080p 50/60 is not a valid format on Bluray.

Both 1080p and 1080i can be 1920x1080, however the highest frame rate for 1080p on Bluray is 24fps.

1080i can carry progressive video up to 30fps without loss and interlaced video at up to 60fps. Sport and other content with unpredictable motion is always shot interlaced because 24fps sucks for motion and is horribly jittery unless camera and subject motion are tightly controlled, as they are in a movie. Every movement is rehearsed and movement that causes problems at 24fps avoided, thats fine for movies but pretty much useless for anything else.

 

3 hours ago, duke said:

Never heard anyone say 1080i and 1080p are just as good as each other.

Yep, lots of ignorance about 1080i out there.

Interlaced video is used by TV networks because its far more flexible than progressive, and until the TV industry finds a way to move to 50/60p (dont hold your breath) it will remain in use. The only progressive option is 720p and 1920x1080 beats 1280x720 every time.

Don't blame 1080i for poor quality, blame crippled data rates which forces the use of 1440x1080 to get a picture that isn't a wash with compression artefacts.

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On 31/10/2016 at 0:28 AM, Mullins_Y2k said:

I'm not great with the lingo but yes, more noticible artefacts and perhaps not quite as sharp. Not positive if it's based on motion as changing motion control makes no difference. 

It just appears to be a very unforgiving TV when it comes to average sources imo. I mean my plasma was fantastic but I expected a little more for 5 grand.. still hoping for a magical fix but unlikely.

 

Thanks for the input.For me unforgiving to poor inputs or pilot error in foxtel settings makes no difference.You don't pay 5K for an OLED and sit there watching home and away unless you have more money than sense.As long as it looks good when you feed it proper content i think $5k might be the tipping point for me to replace my Sammy F8500 plasma.

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Foxtel used I look great that's the problem...

But not a problem anymore! I noticed that 'HDMI ULTRA HDD Deep Colour was turned off all inputs as default. I still don't fully understand what this does, but I swear this cleaned up my Foxtel image to the point that it's as good as it was on the panna plasma (which was already great). 

So hot Tip, turn on HDMI ULTRA HDD Deep Colour straight away!!!

 

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3 hours ago, Mullins_Y2k said:

But not a problem anymore! I noticed that 'HDMI ULTRA HDD Deep Colour was turned off all inputs as default. I still don't fully understand what this does, but I swear this cleaned up my Foxtel image to the point that it's as good as it was on the panna plasma (which was already great). 

So hot Tip, turn on HDMI ULTRA HDD Deep Colour straight away!!!

Curious ; one things for sure the Foxtel isn't sending out a 4:2:0 colour space ;)

http://www.lg.com/au/support/product-help/CT20088015-1437130927990-others

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Yeah as far as I understand the format it shouldn't make a difference. To be sure that that's what cleaned up the image,  I'll switch it back today and see if it degrades. 

Btw every preset is sooooo far away from behind optimal settings. lots of tweaking required... Good thing that's fun :)

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Turn noise reduction off and play with the sharpness control, normally less is more.

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10 hours ago, cwt said:

Curious ; one things for sure the Foxtel isn't sending out a 4:2:0 colour space ;)

The video would be 4:2:0 but the set top box has to use 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 output as 1080 in 4:2:0 is not supported over HDMI.

The "deep colour" setting is for 4K input so its not relevant for Foxtel.

 

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