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I have been happlily recording Austar live and from recordings on my mystar hd on to my computer using the s video output and into the s video on my hauppage tv capture card. Some programmes will block recorded content but the wintv programme that comes with the card accepts the signal ok.

Could you please tell us the model number of the card you are using?

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macrovision is not encryption, its an added signal that upsets the recording device

Actually under the Copyright Amendment Act 2006 it is illegal to strip out Macrovision protect as it fulls under

"access control technological protection measure means a device,

product, technology or component (including a computer program)

that:

( a ) is used in Australia or a qualifying country:

( i ) by, with the permission of, or on behalf of, the owner or

the exclusive licensee of the copyright in a work or

other subject-matter; and

( ii ) in connection with the exercise of the copyright; and

( b ) in the normal course of its operation, controls access to the

work or other subject-matter;

but does not include such a device, product, technology or

component to the extent that it:

( c ) if the work or other subject-matter is a cinematograph film or

computer program (including a computer game)—controls

geographic market segmentation by preventing the playback

in Australia of a non-infringing copy of the work or other

subject-matter acquired outside Australia; or

( d ) if the work is a computer program that is embodied in a

machine or device—restricts the use of goods (other than the

work) or services in relation to the machine or device.

For the purposes of this definition, computer program has the"

What that means is you can't strip it out as its exercising copyright protection. However it was trying to stop you viewing something based on your geographic location then that's fine you can hack away. An example of this would be if you hacked Hulu to allow you to view to from Australia then that would be perfectly legal.

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Apparently, Mystar HD uses a new kind of Macrovision and standard video stabilizers are not effective. The guy who posted on this thread even went so far as to return the Mystar HD and keep the SD box.

http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/...-tales-woe.html

The Jaycar Video Signal Enhancer that I used on MyStar SD to transfer recorded programs from the Mystar SD box to DVD also works equally well on MyStar HD.

There is nothing sinister about my copying them to DVD as regards copyright etc. It is for personal use. I travel a lot and like to watch shows on my laptop while I am killing hours at airports etc. I wouldn't have time to watch them all at home.

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The Jaycar Video Signal Enhancer that I used on MyStar SD to transfer recorded programs from the Mystar SD box to DVD also works equally well on MyStar HD.

There is nothing sinister about my copying them to DVD as regards copyright etc. It is for personal use. I travel a lot and like to watch shows on my laptop while I am killing hours at airports etc. I wouldn't have time to watch them all at home.

Can you give us the model or part number of the Jaycar device you are using, please.

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Can you give us the model or part number of the Jaycar device you are using, please.

I am also interested to know what jaycar stabiliser this is...is this it? http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=AR1822

Any advice is very much appreciated. I have done a bit of research on this and this particular jaycar unit looks to be rebadged as other brands as well. I seem to remember something that looked similar and the seller of these was firm that it didn't work with the mystar, but if your's does work then I'm up for one.

Thanks

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I am also interested to know what jaycar stabiliser this is...is this it? http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=AR1822

Any advice is very much appreciated. I have done a bit of research on this and this particular jaycar unit looks to be rebadged as other brands as well. I seem to remember something that looked similar and the seller of these was firm that it didn't work with the mystar, but if your's does work then I'm up for one.

Thanks

I have what looks like this unit branded as a Digitech AR-1822 and can confirm that this does NOT allow recording from the Mystar HD. (At least to my Sony DVD recorder - haven't tried with any other devices).

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I have what looks like this unit branded as a Digitech AR-1822 and can confirm that this does NOT allow recording from the Mystar HD. (At least to my Sony DVD recorder - haven't tried with any other devices).

Thank you very much for that. It may be as I suspected. If the original poster who says he has jaycar that works would just let us know it'd be great.

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..... Digitech AR-1822 and can confirm that this does NOT allow recording from the Mystar HD. (At least to my Sony DVD recorder - haven't tried with any other devices).

Interesting indeed. I have this same Jaycar unit (AR-1822) and in my case it DOES work to allow recording from the MystarHD (S-video output). Input is into an Aldi cheapie DVD recorder - Conia MR910D. I've tested it recording SD live and SD off the disk, and HD live and HD off the disk. Recordings in all cases seem fine (and at S-video standard).

Mind you, it MAY be the Conia that is doing the ignoring of the Macrovision signals....when I get some time I'll try some transfers without the AR-1822 stabiliser in line.

Edit: DVD recorder model is MR910D (not M910D as originally posted).

Edited by Swagman51

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Interesting indeed. I have this same Jaycar unit (AR-1822) and in my case it DOES work to allow recording from the MystarHD (S-video output). Input is into an Aldi cheapie DVD recorder - Conia MR910D. I've tested it recording SD live and SD off the disk, and HD live and HD off the disk. Recordings in all cases seem fine (and at S-video standard).

Mind you, it MAY be the Conia that is doing the ignoring of the Macrovision signals....when I get some time I'll try some transfers without the AR-1822 stabiliser in line.

Edit: DVD recorder model is MR910D (not M910D as originally posted).

Thank you for that. Yes it may be the recorder. I for one would really appreciate it if you could take the stabiliser out of the chain and see if it is the recorder. I may well buy one if they are still available. Its funny how sometimes the cheaper models seem to play just about everything that you throw at them rather than the more expensive ones, and now this. It wouldn't surprise me if it is the dvd recorder ignoring the macrovision.

Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.

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I have what looks like this unit branded as a Digitech AR-1822 and can confirm that this does NOT allow recording from the Mystar HD. (At least to my Sony DVD recorder - haven't tried with any other devices).

I guess it's just a case of your DVD recorder picking up the extra data protection signals which the stabiliser doesn't remove. The stabiliser does its job perfectly in correcting the AGC signalling to make a stable perfect picture so it should work fine with recorders where that is the only problem. However, for recorders that also go the extra step of detecting the Macrovision data signalling then it will refuse to record even though the stabiliser has corrected the AGC levels.

It all comes down to your recorder type and whether it searches for the Macrovision protection rather than just gets affected by the basic AGC modification trick to screw up the video.

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Interesting indeed. I have this same Jaycar unit (AR-1822) and in my case it DOES work to allow recording from the MystarHD (S-video output). Input is into an Aldi cheapie DVD recorder - Conia MR910D. I've tested it recording SD live and SD off the disk, and HD live and HD off the disk. Recordings in all cases seem fine (and at S-video standard).

Mind you, it MAY be the Conia that is doing the ignoring of the Macrovision signals....when I get some time I'll try some transfers without the AR-1822 stabiliser in line.

Edit: DVD recorder model is MR910D (not M910D as originally posted).

Very interesting. It seems that the recording device is very important in this equation. The Sony DVD recorder that I have (RDR-HXD870) had no problems recording live signals from the Mystar SD, but required the stabiliser in order to record from the hard disk. On the HD Mystar it won't record either live or from disk. Based on some of the earlier responses it sounds like a PC capture card might be the go now.

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Very interesting. It seems that the recording device is very important in this equation. The Sony DVD recorder that I have (RDR-HXD870) had no problems recording live signals from the Mystar SD, but required the stabiliser in order to record from the hard disk. On the HD Mystar it won't record either live or from disk. Based on some of the earlier responses it sounds like a PC capture card might be the go now.

Just to share my research with you all. I emailed the makers of the Grex stabiliser (http://www.xdimax.com/grex/grex.html) and they have confirmed that their stabiliser DOES work with the Mystar HD....I haven't bought one yet and they are expensive, but I will do so today. To make it go over here will probaby need a 240v power supply I suppose.

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Just to share my research with you all. I emailed the makers of the Grex stabiliser (http://www.xdimax.com/grex/grex.html) and they have confirmed that their stabiliser DOES work with the Mystar HD....I haven't bought one yet and they are expensive, but I will do so today. To make it go over here will probaby need a 240v power supply I suppose.

Presumably Dimax, the makers, are in the USA although I could not find their location anywhere on their website. I'm always a bit concerned when the only way of contacting a supplier is via email. Did you get a quote for shipping to Australia? When you click on "buy" it takes you to the Paypal site and shows shipping at 8.95 USD. This would surely not apply to international shipments.

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Presumably Dimax, the makers, are in the USA although I could not find their location anywhere on their website. I'm always a bit concerned when the only way of contacting a supplier is via email. Did you get a quote for shipping to Australia? When you click on "buy" it takes you to the Paypal site and shows shipping at 8.95 USD. This would surely not apply to international shipments.

I ordered both the stabiliser and the power supply from them. $16.50AUD for the power supply inc shipping. $110AUD inc shipping for the unit. I agree about the not being able to contact although I have read good reports about the Grex units on numerous sites. They did respond very promptly to emails and were very helpful. I feel better paying via paypal rather than giving my cc details. Nothing is without risk however. This unit is on the expensive side....but to put it into perspective the jaycar unit was $119 without shipping so its not too bad with that comparison. For me its worth it if it does the job. They assure me it will and I tend to take people at their word, and it is their business after all.

Now I wait, and I will of course let people know what transpires.

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I ordered both the stabiliser and the power supply from them. $16.50AUD for the power supply inc shipping. $110AUD inc shipping for the unit...

That seems a reasonable price compared to the Jaycar price. Please let us know if it works or not.

Reading the details on the web site it mentions that as well as removing Macrovision it also: "... will fully remove Digital Broadcast Protection Flags and will let you record any protected TV channels." I assume this is what would then allow the recording device to do its job.

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I ordered both the stabiliser and the power supply from them. $16.50AUD for the power supply inc shipping. $110AUD inc shipping for the unit. I agree about the not being able to contact although I have read good reports about the Grex units on numerous sites. They did respond very promptly to emails and were very helpful. I feel better paying via paypal rather than giving my cc details. Nothing is without risk however. This unit is on the expensive side....but to put it into perspective the jaycar unit was $119 without shipping so its not too bad with that comparison. For me its worth it if it does the job. They assure me it will and I tend to take people at their word, and it is their business after all.

Now I wait, and I will of course let people know what transpires.

Thanks for the most helpful feedback. Could you just clarify what you ordered, please. The website quotes the unit including power supply for 89 USD. Is this a 120V only power supply, and that's why you needed to buy a separate 240V supply? If so, I would not need the extra PSU since I already have some 120V audio equipment with a step-down transformer. What did they quote in USD for shipping the basic unit?

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Thanks for the most helpful feedback. Could you just clarify what you ordered, please. The website quotes the unit including power supply for 89 USD. Is this a 120V only power supply, and that's why you needed to buy a separate 240V supply? If so, I would not need the extra PSU since I already have some 120V audio equipment with a step-down transformer. What did they quote in USD for shipping the basic unit?

Yes I bought a separate power supply from them (http://www.xdimax.com/grex_faq/faq_powersupply.html#pstypes). This is the unit (http://www.xdimax.com/grex/grex.html) that I got. Seems to support all permutations except hdmi which doesn't worry me. The unit shipped was $110AUD which included $9.85US for shipping.

I hope that clears it up. I just hope it does the job. Thy were quite firm however that were well aware of the HD and the macrovision that it uses.

Cheers

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Very interesting. It seems that the recording device is very important in this equation. The Sony DVD recorder that I have (RDR-HXD870) had no problems recording live signals from the Mystar SD, but required the stabiliser in order to record from the hard disk. On the HD Mystar it won't record either live or from disk. Based on some of the earlier responses it sounds like a PC capture card might be the go now.

I fully agree that it all seems to depend on the recorder you are using. Based on the rather discouraging reports from others who have tried the Jaycar/Digitech AR1822 unit, I was fully expecting that the one I had ordered would not work. That’s why I was showing interest in the Grex unit.

However, I have now received the Jaycar unit and am pleased to report that it works fine on both live and recorded Mystar HD output when fed into both my DVD/HDD recorders. In case anyone is interested these are:

Panasonic DMR-ES30V and

LG RH4810W.

Both these recorders had given the "copy protected signals detected" message when I tried to record to them without using the video stabilizer.

Edited by gadgarra

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I fully agree that it all seems to depend on the recorder you are using. Based on the rather discouraging reports from others who have tried the Jaycar/Digitech AR1822 unit, I was fully expecting that the one I had ordered would not work. That’s why I was showing interest in the Grex unit.

However, I have now received the Jaycar unit and am pleased to report that it works fine on both live and recorded Mystar HD output when fed into both my DVD/HDD recorders. In case anyone is interested these are:

Panasonic DMR-ES30V and

LG RH4810W.

Both these recorders had given the "copy protected signals detected" message when I tried to record to them without using the video stabilizer.

Its all a bit of a mystery isn't it? I'm glad that your unit works. The Grex has been shipped already so I will be able to report back on that in a week or so.

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I for one would really appreciate it if you could take the stabiliser out of the chain and see if it is the recorder.

Got some time to test things again this morning and I can confirm that the DVD burner I am using seems to be completely happy even if the stabiliser isn't in the chain. I can record SD and HD signals (both live and off the disk) fine from the MystarHD box straight to the Conia MR910D recorder.

Was about to post that I now have an unneeded AR-1822 stabiliser for sale (cheap). But then I noted gadgarra's last post, so I'll hang on to it in case I upgrade the recorder at some stage.

Cheers.

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