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Belkin should be alright and the length is fine. Too bad you could not try the Sony and the cable on another display, that could clear things up. Maybe you could ask a friend who has a display with HDMI?

Actually, I called Domayne today (that's where I got the Sony). They apparently have my plasma still in-store, so I'm gonna take the Sony and HDMI cable in to test it on that display. That should narrow things down a bit. Also, I just found out that a friend of mine (my local video shop movie advisor) has the very same display as me. Unfortunately, he lives about 45 min away from me, so I can't easily get to his house and have a look. He's gonna have a look for the SD symptoms I've mentioned in previous posts, though. That might narrow things down in that respect, too.

In the meantime, I'm gonna take a step back and see how things are looking when I'm not actually testing FOR this problem. I've tweaked the colour, brightness & sharpness settings to their optimal point, so I'm gonna reflect on things and see if this is something that's gonna really bug me for my day-to-day viewing.

Once again, thanks for all your help, everyone!

I'll keep you posted.

Cheers.

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Divinewrite, you need to understand that good SD material like DVDs are still quite watchable on a large plasma screen, which is why IMO it is unlikely the DVD players at fault. The problems you speak of are usually associated with the display device.

Like Taksan said your plasma only shows 540 lines of the 1080i signal, it shows one line then discards the next and so on and so forth, that's why with your particular display you would be better off with 576p. You mentioned that at 576p the problems you were having were non-existant, so use that or try 576p over component.

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Hi taksan. Thanks (I think :blink: ) Is this a particular problem that you know of with LG plasmas, or is it just that you're not a fan of them generally (i.e. lots of other issues)?

Cheers.

Well LG plasmas have BOB deinterlacing and cheap nasty scaling chips with simple algorithms ....instead of complex motion adaptive deinterlacers and true HD scaling chips like you would find in a Panasonic, Pioneer, Hitachi or Fujitsu. When it comes to Plasmas the most important thing is the processing chips and LG do it the cheap and dirty way.

As for other issues ...put it this way they do not have a very good reputation on this on any other forum.

They have also done some very sneaky things like selling Plasmas as HD capable with so called inbuilt HD tuners that do not display HDTV as HD but as SD.

They didn't get the nickname "Looking Grim" for no reason.

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Well LG plasmas have BOB deinterlacing and cheap nasty scaling chips with simple algorithms ....instead of complex motion adaptive deinterlacers and true HD scaling chips like you would find in a Panasonic, Pioneer, Hitachi or Fujitsu. When it comes to Plasmas the most important thing is the processing chips and LG do it the cheap and dirty way.

As for other issues ...put it this way they do not have a very good reputation on this on any other forum.

They have also done some very sneaky things like selling Plasmas as HD capable with so called inbuilt HD tuners that do not display HDTV as HD but as SD.

They didn't get the nickname "Looking Grim" for no reason.

Fair enough! Thanks for the explanation. HD displays beautifully, but SD is pretty poor. Are there any software mods you can do to improve it? Feel free to PM me or email wordboy72 at hot mail dot com.

Cheers.

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FYI, I have negotiated a partial refund with JB Hi Fi. They came to the party after I sent a letter registered post. I'm losing $500, but I reckon it'll be worth it in the long run.

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FYI, I have negotiated a partial refund with JB Hi Fi. They came to the party after I sent a letter registered post. I'm losing $500, but I reckon it'll be worth it in the long run.

Further to the above, I accepted the refund and bought a Panasonic TH-50PX600a. It's HEAPS better than the LG 50PC3D. See my full discussion at http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?s=&...st&p=641699.

Cheers.

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Glad to see you ended up with a positive outcome. Do you still have the Sony DVD player and if you do, how does the picture look on the Panasonic?

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Glad to see you ended up with a positive outcome. Do you still have the Sony DVD player and if you do, how does the picture look on the Panasonic?

Thanks! It's a big relief to me!

Yep, still have the Sony and it looks good on the Panasonic. I have a sneaking suspicion that the xbox is still better, but I haven't tested enough to know for sure, yet. (I only got the tv last night.) Will report back when I have.

Cheers.

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Yep, just did some testing with the latest Bond film, Casino Royale, and the xbox is DEFINITELY better. Far less granularity - i.e. sharper edges and smoother surfaces. The difference is very noticeable up close to the screen in virtually all scenes. Less noticeable from 3-4m back, and sometimes not noticeable at all in some scenes when that far back.

So, yes, my verdict is that the xbox is significantly better.

Cheers.

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Hi guys,

first time poster long time reader!

I've taken alot of advice from these forums, everytime I goto buy anything tech related my google is always "model number DTV"

and the discussions are amazing when helping to form a decision to buy new gear.

I went out and bought this player today for $170 from DSE PH Nth Parramatta and.....gee...what can I say i've gone thorugh alot of players and recorders and this is by far the best DVD picture I've seen from any player I, friends or family own.

I made my decision by reading this thread carefully over the last two days and gee, I'm glad I didn't take much notice of the negative reviews because picturewise this player is flawless.

I am running through a $40 DSE HDMI cable to my sammy SP42L6H DLP RP 42" and the blacks (a problem I think RPs suffer from the most) are deep, dark and just the way they should be - I have not seen blacks like this from any other player other than my HD games on my 360 and SD and HD FTA TV content this player is just amazing.

With every player I've owned, I could always flaw it - which is why I've gone through so many! But this DVD player is just amazing - clarity, sharpness, colours, vibrance, contrast I just can't flaw this thing.

I have run it through component also and this was comparable to it's direct replacee my sammy DVD recorder I bought 4 months ago but gee the HDMi connector really puts things in perspective and does some real good work!

The first thing I did was try to identify flaws by watching examples of some of the problems explained in previous posts in particular the mentioned Matrix issues and I'm sorry but I cannot agree. I ended up watching the Matrix the whole way through and was simply amazed and astonished by it's quality - I don't think I've ever seen the matrix look so vibrant, clear and sharp!! I can see the pimples on Morpheus' face like it had a magnifying glass on it that's how clear it is. No blotchiness whatsoever or short fall blacks....gee I was so mezmorised by the Matrx experience I went on to keep watching part 2 and 3!!!

I also tried identifying the flaws in Matrix mentioned in past posts using a backup copy I made - compressed at 53% with DVD shrink and...fwoar I could HARDLY tell the difference to the original!!! I've never seen a compressed backup look so good on a panel of this size!!!!!

I think the only thing I can flaw it on is anamorphic DivX content not filling the entire screen (black bars top and bottom) and same with most DVDs - black bars showing when they hadn't on past players used - anybody else experienced this?? or found a solution??

My girlfriend just finished watching the Neverending Story and I've got to say - I haven't enjoyed the movie so much since I was about 5 years old - which is probably the last time I saw it so clear and sharp!!!

Player also came region free out of the box regardless of the R4 sticker on the box and have tried playing discs from all regions and perfect - no flaws whatsoever with a fast start up time regardless of original or backup and region - hardly any disc noise from the player and could not notice layer change AT ALL (a great annoyance to me - i hate layer changes)

Anyway - I've got to give this player a big fat 9.5/10 I'm just so amazed at the quality I got for the price I've paid 4 and 5 times the amount for players in the past which don't come close to the quality I've got for $170 on this machine.

-----it would've got a 10 if it weren't for the black bar issue - please if anybody has a solution please let me know - i've tried changing aspect ratio on tv and DVD to no avail

-----also FYI I tried running the player at 720p and 1080i and the difference running at 1080i was greatly noticable for the better - I'm not sure what the native resolution is on my panel but 1080i looked the best.

divinewrite - to say that the Xbox puts out a better picture than this player is a joke...I don't know what you're doing with your panels looks like you've gone through 2 - you either 1 do not have any idea what you're doing, 2 you have a faulty sony player or 3 you need to go and get your eyes checked dude

Hope this review clears a few things up and people like me looking for info find this post useful in making your decision.

- Just to clarify as well, I am a movie-aholic I currently own 693 DVDs, I am a Union organiser and don't get alot of free time but when I do I love nothing better than getting on that couch and spending a whole day with my eyes glued to the screen watching movies and staying up all night playing 360..so when I say I've never seen a DVD play more clearly----I do have a bit of merit behind my words

Thankyou again to everyone who contributed to this thread - you've helped make a great decision in picking up this baby

Nate

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Congrats on your first post NaTez, and thanks for your review on the Sony, Im looking for a player until the HD war settles and I was looking at either the sony or the pioneer 696, cheers

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Congrats on your first post NaTez, and thanks for your review on the Sony, Im looking for a player until the HD war settles and I was looking at either the sony or the pioneer 696, cheers

Can anybody please tell me I'f this player has 5.1 analoge out.

At presant I have a grundig HDMI & having problems with purple shadows around fast moving people. (2nd machine)

I have been following this thead & this sounds like a great player. but I need the 5.1 out as my amp does not have Optical or Coaxial inputs only outputs . :blink:

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divinewrite - to say that the Xbox puts out a better picture than this player is a joke...I don't know what you're doing with your panels looks like you've gone through 2 - you either 1 do not have any idea what you're doing, 2 you have a faulty sony player or 3 you need to go and get your eyes checked dude

Hi Nate,

Thanks for your post. Note that i'm not comparing to a standard out of the box xbox. I'm comparing to a modded original xbox with XBMC installed. The important bits here are:

  • modded - it's been modified so it now has a different chip that allows it to run Xbox Media Center (XBMC - see below)
  • original - it's not the xbox 360 - it's the original one. I believe the original does a better job of upscaling. I think this is 'cos developers have had longer to work on the media centre, and it's easier to exploit.
  • XBMC - a MASSIVE project focussed purely on developing a media centre capability for the xbox (check out http://www.xboxmediacenter.com for more details).

BTW, do you have a modified original xbox that you can compare the sony to? I've compared them side-by-side, and the xbox definitely comes up trumps. I haven't tested on lots of movies, but the few I have show the xbox the winner. If you do some research at xboxmediacenter.com, I'm sure you'll find some metrics to support my findings. I haven't looked for them, 'cos the difference is so clear that it's a no-brainer for me. When I want 99.9999% upscaling quality, I use the xbox. When I'm playing a dvd for the kids, a scratched dvd, or something that's got shoddy picture quality anyway, or the xbox doesn't like the disc for some reason, I use the Sony. In other words, the xbox is my first choice most of the time.

Also, re my previous negative comments about the Sony, they turned out to be more a problem with my LG plasma (which I no longer have). I think the sony only does part of the upscaling job and leaves the rest to the tv. Any decent tv handles this shortfall without problems. Unfortunately, the LG wasn't a decent tv!

All up, I find the sony very watchable. Heaps better than my $70 Sansui. Don't really have any complaints. And to tell the truth, I'm not really surprised that the xbox is better. I suspect a lot more man-hours have been invested in its upscaling over a lot longer period. Just my guess, anyway.

Cheers.

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Can anybody please tell me I'f this player has 5.1 analoge out.

At presant I have a grundig HDMI & having problems with purple shadows around fast moving people. (2nd machine)

I have been following this thead & this sounds like a great player. but I need the 5.1 out as my amp does not have Optical or Coaxial inputs only outputs . :blink:

As far as I remember it only has 2 channel analogue out, but someone with one of these players currently will be able to confirm it for sure.

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Thanks for the preview Submariner.

The spec. list you provided has just sparked my interest in this player.

In particular the "Individual speaker setting" item. I currently have no means of compensating for low centre speaker volume which is often quite low in comparison to the surrounds. I'm going to sus this aspect out a little more. Or, if you could oblige from first hand experience I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks & keep those posts coming,

Tony

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divinewrite:

I have compard it to XBMC, XBOX 360, PS2 and my PC Media Centre with upscaling software....and like I said...clearest picture I've ever seen from a DVD.

uhf 2: 2 channel analog out, optical and coaxial digital out

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I have compard it to XBMC, XBOX 360, PS2 and my PC Media Centre with upscaling software....and like I said...clearest picture I've ever seen from a DVD.

Ah well, each to his own.

I suppose there is the chance that my Sony is faulty, but I doubt it. The things I'm talking about are quite minor. And from my understanding, you can't expect to get a perfect upscaling DVD player for just $200 as upscaling is quite a complex thing to do.

In any case, on my Panasonic 50" 600a, the Xbox is definitely better. (And no, there's nothing wrong with my eyes.) Perhaps the Sony just works particularly well with your display. I know for a fact that the picture quality from it can vary depending on the display it's hooked up to. Or maybe I've just got a different/better version of XBMC?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the Sony works POORLY. Far from it. It's just that the xbox works absolutely perfectly. I'm very happy to work with the xbox as a first port of call and the sony as a backup.

Who knows? Perhaps 'Casino Royale' was a one-off. (Well, that and the start of Chapter 17 (I think) of the Matrix.) Maybe the Sony will work perfectly on everything else. As I said before, I haven't had a chance to test comprehensively yet. But so far, the xbox is in front...

Cheers.

EDIT: Oh, and I assume you're using the [original] xbox hi-def av pack? (Not sure if the 360 hi-def pack works... It may do, but I have a vague memory of reading somewhere that it didn't. I don't have a 360, so don't know for sure.)

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The spec. list you provided has just sparked my interest in this player.

In particular the "Individual speaker setting" item. I currently have no means of compensating for low centre speaker volume which is often quite low in comparison to the surrounds. I'm going to sus this aspect out a little more.

I have not played with that, and even though it is listed at the Sony Internet site, I cannot remember seeing it in the options of the player? Anyone else find it? I can only suggest contacting Sony Australia:

http://www.sony.com.au/category.jsp?id=22860

BTW the Instruction Manual for the Sony DVD player is here:

http://www.css.ap.sony.com/consumer/templa...Model=DVP-NS76H

I think the only thing I can flaw it on is anamorphic DivX content not filling the entire screen (black bars top and bottom) and same with most DVDs - black bars showing when they hadn't on past players used - anybody else experienced this?? or found a solution??

Try some of the options on page 66 & 67 of your manual (Settings for your Display), but I think you need to zoom in with some DivX videos. Standard DVD videos have a fixed aspect ratio and only 1.78:1/1.85:1 ratio films will fill a normal widescreen TV. If, for example, a 2.35:1 ratio film fills the screen, it means the picture is being stretched and/or the sides of the picture are being cut off. The HDMI picture widens the black bars, because it uses the proper ratio and you see all of the picture, nothing cut off. Other connections (component, etc and in general, not just the Sony) cheat a little and try to fill more of the screen, by cutting a small part of the sides of the picture, a small fixed zoom. Manufacturers of DVD players know that the black bars are hated by some people and that is why they cheated a bit with the display, but the HDMI standard makes it harder to cheat with the picture.

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