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All,

The following transmitters cover the Hunter Valley (including Newcastle) Area

Main (High Powered) Transmitters (Mt Sugarloaf)

Station call sign, Logical channel number which appears on the front of the STB,  Real (RF) channel number.

http://www2b.abc.net.au/reception/frequenc...d=3567&presdir=

ABHN(2)37, SBS(3)38, NBN(8)36, NRN(Southern Cross(5))51, NEN(Prime (6)) 53 with channels 29 & 35 spare.

The antenna should be mounted horizontally.

Merewether (Cooks Hill)

http://www2b.abc.net.au/reception/frequenc...d=5448&presdir=

ABHN(2)37, SBS(3)38, NBN(8)36, NRN(Southern Cross(5))51, NEN(Prime (6)) 53 with channels 29 & 35 spare

The antenna should be mounted horizontally.

Kotara(Centenary Lookout, Charlestown)

http://www2b.abc.net.au/reception/frequenc...d=5486&presdir=

ABHN(2)37, SBS(3)38, NBN(8)36, NRN(Southern Cross(5))51, NEN(Prime (6)) 53 with channels 29 & 35 spare

The antenna should be mounted vertically.

Check the NSW Central Coast for adjoining southern areas http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=12101.

Antennas Band 5 215 mm

Yagi

Fracarro  20RD5 11-14 dB

Hills TMX18 B5 11-16.5 dB

Wisi EB66 Ch 38-69 ≤16.5 dB (29º acceptance)

Log Periodic

Fracarro LP5HV 9.0 dB

http://www.hillsantenna.com.au/catalog/UHFAntenna.pdf

http://www.fracarro.com/NR/rdonlyres/4D628.../0/Antennas.pdf

For diffuse signals (blocked by hills etc) for use with Mt Sugarloaf signals only.

Phased array

Hills Super Hunter 11.5-15 dB

Jaycar LT3138 12 dB

Wisi EE06 ≤13.5 dB (46º H 27º V acceptance Hor Pol)

Amplifier if required Band 5

Kingray MHU44B5G B1-3 -1 dB, B5 44 dB

+ Power supply PSK08 http://www.gme.net.au/matv/mastheads.html

The higher the number of dBs the more sensitive.

The last option is indoor rabbits the total length is;

band 5 215 mm. Typically 0 dB unless there is an amplifier in the base.

Note none of the above antennas are designed to receive Digital Audio Broadcasting or FM radio.

If you have an old VHF antenna for this area, it was designed for channel 3-5 which covers the FM band.

Finally,

Consult

Check http://www.dba.org.au/index.asp?sectionID=22 for transmitter openings

http://www.dba.org.au/index.asp?sectionID=25 for further information about houses or http://www.dba.org.au/index.asp?sectionID=26 for apartments.

AlanH

Perhaps we don't try to offer advice outside our own market. Very dodgy.

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All,

The following transmitters cover the Hunter Valley (including Newcastle) Area

Main (High Powered) Transmitters (Mt Sugarloaf)

Station call sign, Logical channel number which appears on the front of the STB,  Real (RF) channel number.

http://www2b.abc.net.au/reception/frequenc...d=3567&presdir=

ABHN(2)37, SBS(3)38, NBN(8)36, NRN(Southern Cross(5))51, NEN(Prime (6)) 53 with channels 29 & 35 spare.

The antenna should be mounted horizontally.

Merewether (Cooks Hill)

http://www2b.abc.net.au/reception/frequenc...d=5448&presdir=

ABHN(2)37, SBS(3)38, NBN(8)36, NRN(Southern Cross(5))51, NEN(Prime (6)) 53 with channels 29 & 35 spare

The antenna should be mounted horizontally.

Kotara(Centenary Lookout, Charlestown)

http://www2b.abc.net.au/reception/frequenc...d=5486&presdir=

ABHN(2)37, SBS(3)38, NBN(8)36, NRN(Southern Cross(5))51, NEN(Prime (6)) 53 with channels 29 & 35 spare

The antenna should be mounted vertically.

Check the NSW Central Coast for adjoining southern areas http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=12101.

Antennas Band 5 215 mm

Yagi

Fracarro  20RD5 11-14 dB

Hills TMX18 B5 11-16.5 dB

Wisi EB66 Ch 38-69 ≤16.5 dB (29º acceptance)

Log Periodic

Fracarro LP5HV 9.0 dB

http://www.hillsantenna.com.au/catalog/UHFAntenna.pdf

http://www.fracarro.com/NR/rdonlyres/4D628.../0/Antennas.pdf

For diffuse signals (blocked by hills etc) for use with Mt Sugarloaf signals only.

Phased array

Hills Super Hunter 11.5-15 dB

Jaycar LT3138 12 dB

Wisi EE06 ≤13.5 dB (46º H 27º V acceptance Hor Pol)

Amplifier if required Band 5

Kingray MHU44B5G B1-3 -1 dB, B5 44 dB

+ Power supply PSK08 http://www.gme.net.au/matv/mastheads.html

The higher the number of dBs the more sensitive.

The last option is indoor rabbits the total length is;

band 5 215 mm. Typically 0 dB unless there is an amplifier in the base.

Note none of the above antennas are designed to receive Digital Audio Broadcasting or FM radio.

If you have an old VHF antenna for this area, it was designed for channel 3-5 which covers the FM band.

Finally,

Consult

Check http://www.dba.org.au/index.asp?sectionID=22 for transmitter openings

http://www.dba.org.au/index.asp?sectionID=25 for further information about houses or http://www.dba.org.au/index.asp?sectionID=26 for apartments.

AlanH

Perhaps we don't try to offer advice outside our own market. Very dodgy.

Give him a break les his just trying to help

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Give him a break les his just trying to help

Alan is trying to help (if I am correct, he is one of the most helpful posters on this forum) but I do see it as dodgy that he is trying to post information relevant to each area from, what seems to be, information from the ABA and the ABC.

What I think Alan should do is just add a line at the start saying something along the lines of:

Note: This information is compiled from ABA, ABC and my common knowledge of antenna's. It may be subject to errors due to different factors

Or maybe something else.

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jaybonzi,

Any sensitive antenna is directional, thats how they increase the signal strength by focussing the signal on the dipole. The also have reflector(s) to prevent pick up from behind.

Also the Sugarloaf transmitters are much stronger than any of the Central Coast transmitters.

Kenneth & Lesv,

The antenna recommendations are from a website survey of specifications which match the following;

Only cover the range of channels to be used for a given coverage area.

Where applicable will be dual polarity.

There is a recommendation for long distance reception/blocked path reception of signal. You will note I do not mention distances and the amount of block. In combination with the coverage maps this is general comment.

As for amplifiers I have tried to restrict the frequency range they amplify to the channels in use. This is to minimise the amplification of interference and noise.

I make no comment as to the quality of construction of the antennas, only the manufacturers' published specifications.

The only link I am not giving is the ABA one because I use a variety of their sources and combine the information into a more useful form.

The ABC will have to take responsibility for the maps they publish.

You will also not I am not recommending antenna heights except to say that the maps are based on an outside antenna 10 m above the ground.

I am leaving the requirements of the installation to the antenna installers in the respective regions, their digital signal measuring equipment and their local knowledge.

The main reason I have written these posts is to alert the public to translators which, can give the first good reception in an area. In bigger cities they are commonly not known about. Then they have a new reason to get an antenna installer.

Lesv, if you know of no go zones, are you reporting them to the ABA? The viewers and you could greatly benefit!

My last comment is to all,

The specifications given by manufacturers and distributors should indicate the lowest gain (Not all do) and the highest Bit Error Rate (BER) on any channel in their specified range of channels. This would have to be measured in the absence of interference and with a signal of adequate strength. Then we may be able to choose on performance. The physical longevity is another matter.

AlanH

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I think Alan H is trying his best to help people here. I think he has a heart in trying to help the self installers do a great job of their installations. I know that LesTV uses a range of great products in his installations but not all installers are the same. I have been ripped off by two Newcastle antenna installers who use budget products and charge through the roof for them. I personally installed an F-Type 4 way Matchmaster splitter in my house which cost me around the $20.00 mark and an installer tried to remove and keep the unit only so he could install his cheaper version and charge $100.00 for a six way splitter which I didn't need. Mine wasn't even faulty. For this job and to install an FM trap, he tried to charge me $475.00. I think it is just a rippoff. Three cheers for Alan H who spends his time publishing these details. It may actually give the customer satisfaction, and help them to never be taken to the cleaners. From what I know, all his recommendations are within spec and he also has some idea about these installations. As there is no qualification needed to install antennas, I have had guys come out to give me a quote, claiming they have a signal strength meter and give a quote using guesswork without being sure of a proper installation. I was told that in Enfield, Sydney I would always have ghosting on my SBS by installers but I personally installed my antenna pointing to the Illawarra region and had fantastic results. Shame on some of you installers out there. Don't try to cut the helpful Alan H down.

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Hi!

I was wondering if there's been any change in the details for Rossgole Lookout (Aberdeen).

I've got ABC Digital on VHF 7 and SBS Digital on UHF 64, and have done so since Xmas...

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ional_dtv,

The best thing to do is to ring NBN in Newcastle, and the others are in Canberra.

AlanH

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Alan,

I wish you would'nt cut and paste these charts as copied from someone else's websites. The ABC coverage maps you refer to are wildly optimistic ('specially for the Kotara and Merewether transmitters). If you were to do a little bit of research before you blindly believe someone else's data, you would come to the conclusion that they are innacurate. They may be adequate for analog television but they are WAY off the mark for digital.

Alan, if you were to find out the transmission powers for Merewether and Kotara, then the powers of the digitals for Mt. Sugarloaf, then look at the distances of the suburbs covered by these coverage maps, then you would come to the conclusion that (in the main) the digitals couldn't possibly work in these outlying suburbs. The digial coverage of a SFN is much smaller than if the digitals were on different channels on each site. Haven't you learned this yet?

lesf

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ional_dtv,

The best thing to do is to ring NBN in Newcastle, and the others are in Canberra.

AlanH

I have contacted NBN in the past about DTV in our area...2008! (they're still saying "TBA" at the DBA site) :blink:

Emailed Southern Cross....no response! :P

Emailed Prime...no response! :P

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I have contacted NBN in the past about DTV in our area...2008! (they're still saying "TBA" at the DBA site) :blink:

Emailed Southern Cross....no response! :P

Emailed Prime...no response! :P

What e-mail addresses did you use?

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What e-mail addresses did you use?

I faxed NBN, they sent a letter back...I used the address on Southern Cross's website, and even mentioned this site within, and I got errors from Prime's.

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I faxed NBN, they sent a letter back...I used the address on Southern Cross's website, and even mentioned this site within, and I got errors from Prime's.

You should be using these addresses:

SC10 is [email protected],

PRIME for you is [email protected], not [email protected] as this isn't used anymore.

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You should be using these addresses:

SC10 is [email protected],

PRIME for you is [email protected], not [email protected] as this isn't used anymore.

Tried the SC10 one....no response! :blink:

I'll try the Prime ones again...I think I used the newcastle.reception address...

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Alan,

I wish you would'nt cut and paste these charts as copied from someone else's websites. The ABC coverage maps you refer to are wildly optimistic ('specially for the Kotara and Merewether transmitters). If you were to do a little bit of research before you blindly believe someone else's data, you would come to the conclusion that they are innacurate. They may be adequate for analog television but they are WAY off the mark for digital.

Alan, if you were to find out the transmission powers for Merewether and Kotara, then the powers of the digitals for Mt. Sugarloaf, then look at the distances of the suburbs covered by these coverage maps, then you would come to the conclusion that (in the main) the digitals couldn't possibly work in these outlying suburbs. The digial coverage of a SFN is much smaller than if the digitals were on different channels on each site. Haven't you learned this yet?

lesf

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Les,

The ABC has not stated how they obtained these maps. You should complain to them as there are plenty of complaints on this forum about these translators particularly viewing their program.

You may have more effect of the ABC Reception Line contact.

By the way, do you know of any problems in the Beresfield, Woodberry, Thornton, Ashtonfield, Turro and Heatherbrae areas. I am thinking of AM interference causing corduroy patterning on analog, and unstable pictures and sound on digital.

AlanH

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The ABC has not stated how they obtained these maps. You should complain to them as there are plenty of complaints on this forum about these translators particularly viewing their program.

Alan,

Perhaps you have more time than I do to complain to ABC.

By the way, do you know of any problems in the Beresfield, Woodberry, Thornton, Ashtonfield, Turro and Heatherbrae areas. I am thinking of AM interference causing corduroy patterning on analog, and unstable pictures and sound on digital.

The only interference that is likely to occur on analog is to SC10 Mt. Sugarloaf. This is a common problem which is the domain of the antenna installer. If you look at the AM services avialable from Mt. Sugarloaf, you would quickly ascertain from where the interference is emanating. Not too difficult to calculate, given the frequencies available from Mt. Sugarloaf. Don't know about AM interferece to digital.

lesf

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