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Goverment Approves Nrl On Gem Outside Nsw, Qld.

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This means it will be Live and National in vic,tas,perth etc fantastic.

LINK TO FULL STORY: http://www.tvtonight...de-nsw-qld.html

NRL will now be Live around the country -on either Nine or GEM- on Friday nights, beginning from this week. Sunday afternoon games will be 4pm in each market.

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So the ten people outside of NSW and Qld can watch the games in HD while most league fans get stuck with channel 9, the ridiculousness that is Australian FTA TV continues

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The SD v HD debate notwithstanding, this is terrific news for league fans in the non-traditional states. I'm a Storm fan, and whilst the bulk of their matches are live on Fox, it pissed me off no end to not be able to watch the matches until the wee small hours if they drew a Friday night game somewhere!

There's many aspects of nein/WIN (particularly the latter) that really give me the brazen bits, but this is a great decision.

D.

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Both,

This has nothing to do with the Government. Its about contracts with the NRL, AFL and whether the networks san make a profit.

AlanH

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This has nothing to do with the Government.

No, it has everything to do with the Government. The existing regulations around the anti-siphoning list specifically say that sports on the list (AFL, NRL, etc) must be shown on the analogue / equivalent channel. That, in practice, means the primary digital channel.

This has been under review since the list was last renewed (2009? 2010?). Under the interim process, the networks can apply to the minister for an exception to allow events on the list to be broadcast on a secondary channel. This is what they've done.

The proposed changes - which have been bounced around since that last review - separate events into Tier A (e.g. AFL / NRL Grand Finals; must be shown on the primary channel) and Tier B (e.g. regular AFL / NRL games; may be allocated to secondary channels) events. But this has not been accepted / ratified yet. Allegedly, that will happen later in 2012 for the 2013 seasons - although they said that back in 2010 for the 2011 seasons, and in 2011 for the 2012 seasons, so be careful if you're holding your breath.

In short: It has everything to do with the Government, as they still currently need Conroy's permission to do it.

(edit: added description of the practical differences between Tiers A & B.)

Edited by Malich

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The only anti-syphoning only applies to the primary channel in this case it's nine, NBN and WIN in RL states of NSW and Qld. In other states the protected programs are AFL.

So this is the reason why the NRL is on Nine/NBN/WIN and not GEM in those states. In the other states for the football, the AFL must be on 7/Prime and not 7mate. So GEM is free to transmit the NRL if they wish.

The NRL is so unpopular in WA, last year they were replayed late at night, because other programs rate much more highly.

AlanH

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Alanh, whatever decisions networks did or did not make in the past, the opening post links to a webpage that includes this:

“This is a win-win situation for all the stakeholders – the viewers in these markets, the
NRL,
the Federal Government and of course Nine, whose joint mission is to bring the game to as many people as possible,” Jeffrey Browne, Nine Network Managing Director, said.

“We are particularly grateful for Minister Conroy’s positive and prompt consideration of the network’s application to make it a reality.”

I presume you are not asking us to believe that the Nine Network lodged, and the Federal minister favourably considered, an unnecessary application.

Edited by MLXXX

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Your reply is barely comprehensible, alanh, so I'm forced to guess what you're trying to say.

Is it your contention that the various sports on the current anti-siphoning list are protected on a state-by-state basis, so that (for example)

  • NRL games are only protected in NSW & QLD, while
  • AFL games are only protected in Vic, Tas, SA, NT, & WA?

In the interests of clarity, it's probably best if you stick to a simple "yes" or "no" reply.

Edited by Malich

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What I'd suggest happened is that Alan was trying to claim that Nine wouldn't need approval to simulcast in NSW/Queensland in HD on Gem - missing the 'outside' part of the title, and is now posting a jumbled mess instead of admiting to being wrong.

Even under the proposed legislation, there is no state based anti-siphoning. With this exemption and under the proposed new laws, Nine would be allowed to put the NRL exclusively on Gem in NSW and Queensland if they so wished. Yes, the spirit of the exemption is to provide better coverage of sports outside their 'home' states - but there's nothing (besides perhaps the threat of Conroy revoking the exemption) that enforces said 'spirit'. Take for example the exemption Nine were given for the Cricket - with the intention to be used just to continue coverage on Gem during the news/overruns - being used to show the match on Gem in NSW and Queensland when the NRL was on.

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My how people twist things

To quote the Broadcasting Services Act Volume 1 .pdf http://www.comlaw.go...C00263/Download page 296

"On 25 November 2010, the government announced reforms to the anti-siphoning scheme and released ‘Sport on television: a review of the anti-siphoning scheme in the contemporary digital environment’—the report of the review conducted in accordance with section 115A of the Broadcasting Services Act 1992 (the Act).

For more information see the icon_html.gifSport on Television—Review of the anti-siphoning scheme page.

The current operation of the scheme ensures that certain events are available to the whole viewing public by preventing pay TV licensees from acquiring exclusive rights to listed events. Under section 115 of the Act, the Minister may determine a list of events or events of a kind that the Minister believes should be available free to the general public. The current anti‑siphoning list comprises domestic and international sporting events in 12 categories including cricket, tennis, golf, motor sports and the football codes.

The scheme aims to give free-to-air broadcasters priority over pay TV licensees in acquiring rights to listed events. It prevents pay TV licensees from acquiring a right to televise a listed event until a right is acquired by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC), the Special Broadcasting Services (SBS) or by commercial free-to-air broadcasters reaching more than 50 per cent of the Australian population."

http://www.dbcde.gov...nd_antihoarding

Note that the anti-syphoning legislation is to stop Pay TV from buying prime sport programs to the exclusion of free to air. This has not happened. If a station does not broadcast the events on the list they must offer it to ABC/SBS if they don't want it then pay TV can buy it.

I can't see the word primary channel anywhere on this latest version of the act. So the question of channel 9 should be then why is it not HD on GEM nationally?

AlanH

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My how people twist things

Try reading,

Digital television broadcasting Schedule 4, Restrictions on televising anti-siphoning events Part 4A, Commercial television broadcasting services Division 1:

41A SDTV multi-channelled commercial television broadcasting service—restrictions on televising anti-siphoning events during the simulcast period if there is a core service etc.

During that period, the licensee must not televise on a SDTV

multi-channelled commercial television broadcasting service in the

licence area the whole of an anti-siphoning event unless:

(a) the licensee has previously televised in the licence area the

whole of the event on the core commercial television

broadcasting service; or

( B) the licensee will televise simultaneously in the licence area

the whole of the event on both:

(i) the core commercial television broadcasting service;

and

(ii) the SDTV multi-channelled commercial television

broadcasting service.

Televising a part of an anti-siphoning event

(3) During that period, the licensee must not televise on a SDTV

multi-channelled commercial television broadcasting service in the

licence area a part of an anti-siphoning event unless:

(a) the licensee has previously televised in the licence area the

part of the event on the core commercial television

broadcasting service; or

( B) the licensee will televise simultaneously in the licence area

the part of the event on both:

(i) the core commercial television broadcasting service;

and

(ii) the SDTV multi-channelled commercial television

broadcasting service; or

© the licensee televises the part of the event in a news or

current affairs program broadcast on the SDTV

multi-channelled commercial television broadcasting service.

41C HDTV multi-channelled commercial television broadcasting service—restrictions on televising anti-siphoning events during the simulcast period if there is a core service etc.

(2) During that period, the licensee must not televise on a HDTV

multi-channelled commercial television broadcasting service in the

licence area the whole of an anti-siphoning event unless:

...

During that period, the licensee must not televise on a HDTV

multi-channelled commercial television broadcasting service in the

licence area a part of an anti-siphoning event unless

And clause 41E and 41F maintain this restriction after the simulcast period. It's all available if you actually try reading. It's in Volume 2 from page 79 - of course that would have meant reading more than one document, so perhaps it might have been too hard.

Now kindly stop spreading misinformation. You are wrong.

Edited by GoForMoe

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What's the PQ like for those watching on gem? For me through WIN western vic - still plenty of mosquito noise and macro blocking, but an improvement (albeit marginal) over the SD channel.

D.

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“This is a win-win situation for all the stakeholders – the viewers in these markets, the NRL, the Federal Government and of course Nine, whose joint mission is to bring the game to as many people as possible,” Jeffrey Browne, Nine Network Managing Director, said.

“We are particularly grateful for Minister Conroy’s positive and prompt consideration of the network’s application to make it a reality.”

I presume you are not asking us to believe that the Nine Network lodged, and the Federal minister favourably considered, an unnecessary application.

Well, well, alanh, you are asking us to believe that Nine lodged an unnecessary application, ministerial staff unnecessarily referred the application to Minister Conroy, that he unnecessarily gave it favourable consideration and his purported approval; and to complete the cycle of ignorance, that the Nine Network Managing Director unnecessarily praised the Minister for his unnecessary approval, in a press release.

May I suggest to you, alanh, that in the future before you allege that a government department has misapplied the legislative provisions it is its responsibility to administer that you study the relevant Act, Regulations and other Legislative Instruments, and guidelines, and if appropriate, any relevant decisions handed down by the courts? By virtue of your very high post count, you are a "senior" member.

Edited by MLXXX

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Goformoe,

Consider that in all of Qld except the SE corner, all of regional Victoria, all of regional SA are no longer simulcasting in those areas the broadcaster can use any channel they wish. In the middle of this year all of Southern NSW and the Northern slopes will also be added.

All,

Also explain why GEM is being used in Perth for the NRL when simulcasting exists until the middle of next year Nine (WIN) is showing drama and docos during this period. The licence area for Perth is unique to this location. GEM is also used in Adelaide and Melbourne who are also simulcasting Nine digital and analog.

Explain why the NRL is on WIN in all of coastal Queensland (except Sunshine and Gold Coasts and Brisbane), Darling and Southern Downs. is not on GEM because the simulcast is finished.

Anti-syphoning provision is to prevent Pay TV buying these programs first and locking FTA out. Pay TV has no interest in transmitting NRL on the satellite if it not allowed to be reveived in NSW & Qld and it is not popular in the rest of Australia where AFL is in high demand.

AlanH

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and for at least a few years now, anti-syphoning is also for the purpose of ensuring that all FTA viewers can access the relevant sports, not just the viewers with HD Tuners. That is why Nine needed permission to show it exclusively on GEM, because it is not being simulcast on Nine or GO! in those areas.

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All,

Also explain why GEM is being used in Perth for the NRL when simulcasting exists until the middle of next year Nine (WIN) is showing drama and docos during this period. The licence area for Perth is unique to this location. GEM is also used in Adelaide and Melbourne who are also simulcasting Nine digital and analog.

Explain why the NRL is on WIN in all of coastal Queensland (except Sunshine and Gold Coasts and Brisbane), Darling and Southern Downs. is not on GEM because the simulcast is finished.

AlanH

Simple to explain. Ratings. In non NRL areas Gem is used and in traditional NRL areas the primary channel is used to increase overall ratings. To do otherwise would most likely dilute Nines ratings. This is why the exception was needed from, wait for it, the government as at the moment all FTA NRL and AFL matches are Tier A events and must be shown first on the primary channel unless an exception is granted as happened with the AFL for 7.

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Goformoe,

Consider that in all of Qld except the SE corner, all of regional Victoria, all of regional SA are no longer simulcasting in those areas the broadcaster can use any channel they wish. In the middle of this year all of Southern NSW and the Northern slopes will also be added.

"And clause 41E and 41F maintain this restriction after the simulcast period. It's all available if you actually try reading."

**** off.

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My how people twist things

Indeed. Although, I see that making unsupported and incorrect assumptions - for example, that I meant "the Broadcasting Services Act Volume 1" when what I actually wrote was "The existing regulations around the anti-siphoning list" - is still a perfectly acceptable practice.

Also explain why GEM is being used in Perth for the NRL when simulcasting exists until the middle of next year Nine (WIN) is showing drama and docos during this period.

You're overlooking a very important word from the first post.

"Live".

I'll leave it to you to read the relevant legislation (now that GoForMoe has kindly corrected your misapprehension on that particular point). Then you can ponder the relevance of that little word to the applicability of the anti-siphoning legislation. Then you can consider the difference between showing NRL games at 1am on 9 Perth vs (to pick an example from yesterday) a 4:30pm-8:30pm broadcast on GEM Perth.

After all, I wouldn't want to be accused of twisting things, so I'll let you come to your own conclusions…

(edit: grammar, as highlighted.)

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