Both are transmitted in 1080i, but the Ch 7 HD broadcasts look like upscaled SD, while CH 10 always looks crisp and sharp

Any insider comment ?

I guess it depends greatly on the source of the material.
Its quite possible that what you have watched on 7HD is upscaled.

I have noticed that 7HD is superb generally when showing a HD show. Now it is my fave channel since bloody Ten with their One fiasco (with a TONNE of lousy SD sport, instead of HD shows I love like Dexter, House, BSG, Eureka etc). "Lost" last week on 7HD looked absolutely unreal, especially with the wide angled outdoor shots of, e.g. the Combi van meeting the losties on the hill there. 24 is also pretty good also (but the 24 franchise seems to want it to look gritty/grainy at times for effect or something). This is in Sydney anyway, each region can have varying performance.
ONEHD of course looks crystal on some of the Yank slow sport stuff, like the ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz baseball I tried to watch the other day (foul foul foul strike strike strike walk walk out out, out finally a friggin hit... oh, it is a foul.... strike foul foul, yay a big hit, oh, one of those fielders with the whopping big leather scoop plucked it out of the air with minimal stress).

But if you want to compare apples with apples, e.g. AFL, Ten apparently has some pretty high quality encoders in use, not sure if the other networks do, implication in threads in the past is that Ten's are pretty high tech. Also since they dropped their res to 1440x1080, they can get less MPEG artifacting for a similar bitrate to Seven (at 1920x1080) so, while the resolution is a smidgin less, the quality during bright saturated colours and heavy contrasts moving rapidly (coloured jerseys etc) can look better on ONEHD.

The NBA, NFL, MLB and Masters Golf all look great on OneHD, but I miss a couple of the old CH10 shows that were in HD

7HD seems to have a lot of upscaled content, with Sunrise and the news being one of the better examples of their HD capabilities.

HD American drama (Lost, Bones, etc.) on 7HD is probably the benchmark for HD quality since One started.

The reason One HD looks crisper most of the time is because it has a lot more native HD programming on it than 7 does so the reason 7HD looks like upscaled SD is because it probably is.

Yep, good points (I love Bones too, shame that Seven is repeating that ad-infinitum at the moment).

Yep, i agree Bones does look good.

I also like the PQ on CSI: Miami on 9HD.

If you want HD and I mean TRUE HD then there is only ONE place to get it FOXTEL, FoxSport HD leaves 7,9,10 for dead especially AFL and the Super 14 Series & League and BBC HD is nothing short of almost Blu-Ray quality of course it requires a top quality display to get the very best from these channels even ESPN HD@ 720p is better than 7 HD or 10HD

cheers laurie

I don't really think so. I have been under whelmed at the Foxtel HD 40inch LCD setups in the shopping centre, that is for sure. If you check out any of the yankee sport on TenHD it is pretty awesome, equal in quality of that of the best HD progs I have seen in the shopping centre, and exceeding most of the so-called HD progs (I am guessing Foxtel HD is a bit like the FTA HD channels where they sometimes put upscaled content on). The only thing I have noticed on the Fox digital setups in the shopping centre is of course with any fast moving stuff there is not the same level of artefacts as there are with the FTA channels (of course).
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Well then you are saying FTA highly compressed MPEG2 is better than Foxtel MPEG4!! and watching any displays at shopping centers on a 40" LCD will turn you off any purchase of either display or content just finished watching ONE HD Netball on my LX609A and it was shocking HD turned to ESPN HD & FoxSportHD and I saw clear skies oh well each to their own but I do believe its gets down to what display you have in the end. I do agree Ten HD when content is good does look good for FTA with its restraints

cheers laurie

Was it US netball? I said that the ONEHD yankee sports (the ones I have seen anyway, some of the Nascar, some Baseball the other day, golf the other morning) have been superb. I have essentially the same screen at home as the shopping centres (ok, I have an M series trueHD Samsung 40inch, and I think the shopping centres have the slightly cheaper N series IIRC but still trueHD). Some of the Aussie HD on ONEHD looks like junk compared to anything out of the US.
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No local Netball which should have been better than the US one it was absolutely a disgrace pq wise as a matter of fact it was after the AFL show on Ten which had excellent studio HD then they switch to the netball with Luke Darcy and his & her face looks like they were made from clay bloody awful

cheers laurie

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I don't know if it was the same netball today as the one you were watching, but what I saw in the few mins pre-padding I had for the F1 this afternoon is god awful. It is definitely without a doubt only SD upscaled, and horrible blockiness & artefacting, almost like they took the Ten Digital typical image quality to upscale! Bad bad quality ONEHD, give us back our HD shows please.
My statement still stands about Ten/Seven HD looking just as good as the HD I have seen demonstrated on the FoxtelHD setups in the shopping centre when I take a look at lunch (maybe nothing much is on at that time, dunno). Of course it is rare to see a decent bit of HD on SevenHD and OneHD too, given all the upscaled crud they put on there.
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Well Tony mate there is NO way a 40" LCD or plasma can display HD pictures better than a 60" regardless of brand there is not enough real estate on a 40" for the HD pixel structure to fit on such a small screen

cheers laurie

I am comparing a 40inch at the plaza with a 40inch at home. Both of these 40inch sets are trueHD and can display the full 1920x1080 pixel image. If you sit back at 3m you won't see a difference, but I am talking about looking at 1-2m to observe signal resolution, artefacting etc. Sure, MPEG2 at 15megabit/s can have MPEG blocking artefacts on FTA that you don't see on FoxtelHD, but the actual image resolution on Foxtel is not superior to the FTA HD channels when they show HD. Perhaps this is due to Foxtel only showing low rate MPEG4 720p vs the broadcasters sending mid-rate MPEG2 1080i?

I guarantee the trueHD sets are quite capable of displaying a proper 1920x1080 image as I have fed my laptop into the thing and set the laptop display to 1920x1080 and ogled the brilliance of perfectly crystal clear full resolution 40inch in your face (cable was only 1.5m long LOL) desktop diplay. Even using 1920x1080 test patterns on my Samsung M series (via either my Beyonwiz PVR or via a BlueRay Test disc) LCD I can clearly make out 1:1 line patterns and other various test patterns at full resolution. It is a myth to suggest 40inch is too small to make out trueHD. Maybe at 4metres it might be hard to tell the difference between 1080p & 768 sets, but at 2-3metres, the clarity of a good trueHD LCD shines.
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