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donkey33
QUOTE (shapes @ Sep 25 2007, 11:42 PM) *
the general consensuses in the samsung vs pana tread is pana is better. i personally saw them side by side at DSE and agree.

there is no burn in issue with the current pana plasmas. even if you leave the static image on for over 2 hours it only takes 1-2mins to get rid of the barely noticeable ghost image (only noticeable when you turn off the tv and standing 1m away) with moving image.

i have a ps3 that i play on my px700a panasonic and never have a issue with burn in. i wonder if those ppl who commented about the burn in issue have actually played games on those units? only major problem with the panasonic is the sound issue with FTA HD channels which wont concern you.


Just when I've settled on a TV, you post something that makes me think about Plasma again, haha.

It's cool. I think I'm going LCD just because I know in the back of my mind, it will worry me. Like if someone is over and I'm not there, I'll be thinking about a static image, etc, so whilst I agree that gaming would be pretty good on a Plasma, I'm going LCD.

Think I've decided on 46" too and am picking up the new Sony D series (once it is released). Has this been released elsewhere or is there somewhere I can read a review on it or something. Otherwise I'd be purchasing without knowing any kind of test results, etc.
peter3
QUOTE (ugoagogo @ Sep 25 2007, 12:25 AM) *
I shouldnt really say anything because it may make the decision harder but the smasung does have an ' N ' series 1080p which retails at $2999 before discounts.


I was under the impression that the N-series is the older model, now replaced by the M. Similar to S superseded by R.
donkey33
Ok. I signed up for the Melbourne Sony Bravia Group buy for either a 46 inch X series or a 46 inch D series. Two different resolution screens because I wasn't sure.

I made a call just before and my X series is there ready to be picked up tonight. Now I don't know what to do. The X or the D? 1080p or 720p? I can't decide even after reading this thread over 2-3 times.

Need help.
donkey33
Found a 46 inch D series also.

Now to decide. 46 inch I guess is to future proof for a few years but is that dumb given that in a few years, technology will be so much better?

Got a few hours to make my mind up before picking either one up.
Frosty77
The conventional wisdom of the board will have you thinking its a waste. I went against the grain and decided that, much like the title of this thread, it would indeed be stupid to ignore the higher spec. And I've gotta say its the best decision I've made. I've compared the images from a 40 Samsung M8 against a 42 Panasonic 600A and a 50 Samsung C9 Plasma and the differences in detail are just so stupidly obvious I have begun to think that the whole debate about not being able to properly resolve 1080p content is some kind of conspiracy on the part of the forums early adopters who are just pissed they didn't wait a bit longer for Full HD sets. Either that or they are blind. 1080p for life!
RyanP
QUOTE (Frosty77 @ Sep 28 2007, 01:41 PM) *
. 1080p for life!


That's why I went for a Sony FullHD LCD...

FullHD looks amazing on my X3100


Regards



RyanP
donkey33
Yeah, that's probably right if you have a 1080p source. I don't have a 1080p source (except for the odd xboxb 360 game that I don't even own) so a purchase of a 1080p set would be purely for if I get something that produces a 1080p source which won't happen for at least 12-24 months. By then, I might ended up getting another 1080p display, etc, and a better one at that.

If I had 1080p now, I'd most likely agree.
Owen
QUOTE (Frosty77 @ Sep 28 2007, 01:41 PM) *
The conventional wisdom of the board will have you thinking its a waste. I went against the grain and decided that, much like the title of this thread, it would indeed be stupid to ignore the higher spec. And I've gotta say its the best decision I've made. I've compared the images from a 40 Samsung M8 against a 42 Panasonic 600A and a 50 Samsung C9 Plasma and the differences in detail are just so stupidly obvious I have begun to think that the whole debate about not being able to properly resolve 1080p content is some kind of conspiracy on the part of the forums early adopters who are just pissed they didn't wait a bit longer for Full HD sets. Either that or they are blind. 1080p for life!



You have made the common mistake of comparing displays of completely different technology and putting the visible difference down to resolution.
Compare a 768 Plasma with a 1080 Plasma of the same size and a 768 LCD with a 1080 LCD of the same size.

LCD’s almost always look sharper then Plasma’s, not because of resolution but because the display characteristics are very different. Sharpness and resolution are only vaguely related and a 768 LCD can easily look sharper then a 1080 Plasma.

By the way you can’t accuse me of being an early adopter of 720-768 resolution technology who is now upset I did not wait for 1080.
I have owned my current 70” 1920x1080p TV for 8 months and I owned a 57” real 1080i display for 2 years before that. I have never owned a 720-768 display, and never will, because a 70” or larger 768 display does not look good from 2.8 meters. biggrin.gif
Owen
QUOTE (donkey33 @ Sep 28 2007, 02:10 PM) *
Yeah, that's probably right if you have a 1080p source. I don't have a 1080p source (except for the odd xboxb 360 game that I don't even own) so a purchase of a 1080p set would be purely for if I get something that produces a 1080p source which won't happen for at least 12-24 months. By then, I might ended up getting another 1080p display, etc, and a better one at that.

If I had 1080p now, I'd most likely agree.



1080p content has been available on digital free to air TV from the very start, back in 2000.
1080i and 1080p video are IDENTICAL if the source was progressive (film) and the display can deinterlace properly.
You DO NOT need a 1080p video stream to get 1080p video into your TV, 1080i video carries progressive content just fine.
rossk
QUOTE (RyanP @ Sep 28 2007, 01:51 PM) *
That's why I went for a Sony FullHD LCD...

FullHD looks amazing on my X3100
Regards
RyanP


I also joined the GB and am a proud owner of 40X3100.
Extremely happy with it.
I use it for all purposes, gaming(Xbox, PS3), DVD, BD and foxtel.

A work mate is in the same prodicament as yourself, 1080P or larger 720P.
I think his latest plan is to stick with what he has for now, wait a bit longer to see how technology flows.

I went with 1080P, as I generally dont compromise on big purchases, so i got the best I could get(within budget).
I had been waiting a while for someone to make a TV that i thought would be worth getting. And I couldn't be happier with the results.

I was shocked to read the back cover of Halo 3, when i was driving home from the shop, that it is was 1080P. It looks pretty good at 1080P!
Mining Man
QUOTE (Owen @ Sep 28 2007, 04:54 PM) *
You have made the common mistake ...
~

I was wondering whether you'd be able to resist Owen!! tongue.gif
Frosty77
"You have made the common mistake of comparing displays of completely different technology and putting the visible difference down to resolution."

How about... no.
Owen
QUOTE (Mining Man @ Sep 28 2007, 03:19 PM) *
I was wondering whether you'd be able to resist Owen!! tongue.gif


Yes, well you know me. biggrin.gif
The persuasive power of marketing is quite remarkable. Once 1080 displays become the norm and sales drop off, I’m sure the resolution anti will get upped again. There wont be a use for it on domestic sized displays but that wont stop the marketing men convincing people that the new 1400p or 2000p models are a must have item. It’s a bigger number so it must be better. True “Ultra HD” here we come. biggrin.gif
Rexne1
I just bought a PZ700 for $4400 inc 5 yr warr and del and after going to JB for a CD I saw the PZ and the PX70 side by side showing spiderman 3 in Blueray and could not spot the difference.

The PX seemed to show colours a bit more clearer where as the PZ would seem more dull. I'm guessing this is because of the anti reflective coating on the PZ?

Anyway I will be mainly using it for FTA and DVDs and maybe a PS3 when GTA 5 comes out.

Should I get a PX70A and spend the rest on a PS3 or will I regret not getting the 1080p now.

So CONFUSED...

Any help welcome

ps If I do change my mind, what would be a good $$$ to pay for the 70A

Cheers
Anton-P.
QUOTE (Rexne1 @ Sep 29 2007, 05:55 PM) *
I saw the PZ and the PX70 side by side showing spiderman 3 in Blueray and could not spot the difference.

We've been saying here for yonks at 3 metres from 50" you hardly see any difference between screen with 1080 native res and one with 768 native res.
In the odd cases that someone's vision is so good they can see diff, I still believe it's not worth paying the large amount of extra $$ for.

Save your money for something else, or for when you go 60" up then 1080 screen res is "compulsory" biggrin.gif
Rexne1
QUOTE (Anton-P. @ Sep 29 2007, 10:45 PM) *
We've been saying here for yonks at 3 metres from 50" you hardly see any difference between screen with 1080 native res and one with 768 native res.
In the odd cases that someone's vision is so good they can see diff, I still believe it's not worth paying the large amount of extra $$ for.

Save your money for something else, or for when you go 60" up then 1080 screen res is "compulsory" biggrin.gif



Thanks Anton

I think I am swinging away from the PZ and towards the PX with a PS3 to go with it.

Just a question, If I get an upscaling DVD will the PX accept the 1080p signal?

Sorry for all the noob questions I am new to all this

Thanks in advance
Anton-P.
QUOTE (Rexne1 @ Sep 29 2007, 09:01 PM) *
Just a question, If I get an upscaling DVD will the PX accept the 1080p signal?

I suspect you refer to the nomenclature 1080p as being "full-HD" 1920x1080.
However beware that 1080i resolution is also full-HD 1920x1080, just that the full picture frame is delivered in two interlaced halves.

Back to your question I don't know if the PX accepts 1080p signal, but at least it will accept 1080i signal then deinterlace internally into 1080p. From this point on it's the same whether the feed was 1080p or 1080i.
Owen
QUOTE (Anton-P. @ Sep 29 2007, 11:19 PM) *
I suspect you refer to the nomenclature 1080p as being "full-HD" 1920x1080.
However beware that 1080i resolution is also full-HD 1920x1080, just that the full picture frame is delivered in two interlaced halves.

Back to your question I don't know if the PX accepts 1080p signal, but at least it will accept 1080i signal then deinterlace internally into 1080p. From this point on it's the same whether the feed was 1080p or 1080i.


Good to see someone has got the message. biggrin.gif
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