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Neon Kitten
I had the opportunity to spend a few hours with NEC's new 32" LCD television last night - this is the new model with inbuilt HD digital tuner. Here are my impressions - the good and the bad:

GOOD:

Picture quality is very good - vibrant, detailed and with little of the "gauze" I've seen on other brands' LCD displays in stores (that means YOU, Sony Bravia!) smile.gif

BAD:

The whole software design is seriously amateurish. The first thing I noticed was that the TV's CPU obviously is a refugee from a Commodore 64 - every action on the remote, no matter what it is, doesn't get a response from the TV until after a very noticeable "lag". This makes navigating setup menus a very hit-and-miss affair; your button press takes a while to be recognised by the TV, and of course your instinct is then to hit the button again as you think the TV didn't see the command. Then suddenly both presses register in milliseconds, placing you elsewhere on the menu from where you wanted to go. This is also a serious pain when paging up and down through the channel list. It's not helped by the fact that the remote has a very, very limited angle of operation.

Teletext is hilarious. And not in a funny way. Probably because of the slow CPU in the TV, each teletext page literally *draws* onto the screen as though it's coming down a 2400 baud dial-up modem connection. Compare that with pretty much every no-name STB and PVR on the market and you've got to wonder what the hell NEC was thinking. The teletext keys for page hold etc etc are all there under a cover on the remote - and they DO NOT WORK! This makes reading Austext's multi-page news stories next to impossible.

The remote itself is obscurity central. Looking for a "swap" button to bounce between two channels? Good luck. It IS there, but NEC has given it the name "Q. View". Huh? Similarly, we have obscure acronyms for basic setup functions - like CSM (colour balance), PSM (picture mode), SSM (audio settings) and AVL (dynamic range limiting).

PIP is so limited in terms of which sources it works with that it's effectively useless.

The now/next info works okay, but pull up extended info and you'll be greeted with text in what looks like the good old Courier monospaced font (it looks cheap!) laid out so poorly that words are split between lines and many lines start off with blank spaces.

Sound quality from the inbuilt speakers is *shocking*. It sounds like a cheap AM radio. The sound setup options have a "graphic EQ" for the inbuilt audio - 5 bands, from 100Hz (as if THOSE speakers can handle 100Hz!) to 10KHz. There is no adjustability for frequencies above 10KHz, probably because the speakers aren't capable of reproducing high frequencies at all. This is shameful in a HD digital set.

Picture quality on the component inputs (from a Sony DVD player) was terrible - grainy, washed-out and blocky. I do wonder if the scaling in this set is to blame for both this and the quality issues on HD.

The owners reported that despite setting the TV's clock correctly and setting the DST option to "on" and getting the correct time as a result, the time would reset itself to an hour earlier at random intervals. Setting the TV to pull the time from the on-air signal initially resulted in an incorrect, non-DST time (the DST setting isn't available in this mode) but it rectified itself sometime later.

But finally, the worst of all: the digital tuner itself seems sensitive enough, but the set's owners called me tonight to tell me that no less than four times today while watching channel 9, the image froze on the screen, the sound cut out, and the TV locked up. The only way to restore it to operation was to turn it off at the power point and "reboot" it.

All in all, unimpressive, and extremely worrying with that "freeze" bug. I've recommended to them that they might want to think about returning it and exchanging it for something else, perhaps the Panasonic 32" with integrated HD tuner. They were all set on getting a Sony Bravia, incidentally, until the lack of digital tuner was pointed out. Pity. I'm very impressed with general image quality (and particularly black levels) on the Bravia screens.
Hussla
We just got one in at work last week, I found the picture quality definately better than the Panasonic integrated lcd's. But not as good as the LG integrated LCD.

Our one has had no locking up issues or anyting like you've described.

In regards to image quality from the inputs I haven't yet plugged in any external sources so I can't say.

I agree with your points on the menu layout and interface, I didn't have any remote control issues that you noted, however I haven't had a chance to spend a great deal of time with this unit.

Sound to me was OK, but could've been far better still.

Overall though I wouldn't buy the NEC, it looks and feels like a cheap Chinese product.
Neon Kitten
QUOTE (Christopher M.J.T @ Feb 22 2006, 12:38 PM) *
We just got one in at work last week, I found the picture quality definately better than the Panasonic integrated lcd's. But not as good as the LG integrated LCD.


That's interesting - because yesterday I sat in Harvey Norman comparing all three of these side by side with full acess to the remotes and a solid 90% digital signal. The Panasonic was visibly, notably superior to either the NEC or the LG, there was absolutely no question. This is comparing all three using factory default / "normal" settings (and on the Panasonic, with PNR turned off - it appeared to be on by default). The Panasonic's better fine detail was immediately apparent, as was its better colour fidelity and lower picture noise (the NEC has a kind of "gauze" that can be seen if close to the screen).

I note that NEC proudly state that they use a Japanese-made LCD panel, as if that's supposed to mean anything useful. After all, isn't the world's leading manufactuer of LCDs the Korean company Samsung?

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Our one has had no locking up issues or anyting like you've described.


That happened to this set's owners on several occasions but only on one night so far. It's possible Nine broadcast something not quite right, but that's not the point - the whole TV shouldn't lock up if it doesn't like the signal.

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I agree with your points on the menu layout and interface, I didn't have any remote control issues that you noted, however I haven't had a chance to spend a great deal of time with this unit.


The more time you spend controlling that set with the remote, the more frustrated you'll become, believe me. I thought it might have just been me not being used to the gear, so I handed the remote to my brother without saying anything. Within half an hour he was complaining "this thing's so slow!"

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Sound to me was OK, but could've been far better still.


Have a listen to DiG Radio on it. Sound quality that bad is something you'd expect from a $40 mini "hifi" system, but certainly not from a $3000 television.

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Overall though I wouldn't buy the NEC, it looks and feels like a cheap Chinese product.


A cheap no-brand Chinese product, yes (for example, compare the NEC's remote to the Panasonic's - there is no contest), though I believe it is made in Korea.

In defence of China as a manufacturing base in general, my Pioneer DVD player, my iPod and everything in my computer bar the hard disks, RAM and CPU were all made in China and are all of excellent quality.
Neon Kitten
QUOTE (Neon Kitten @ Feb 21 2006, 12:45 AM) *
But finally, the worst of all: the digital tuner itself seems sensitive enough, but the set's owners called me tonight to tell me that no less than four times today while watching channel 9, the image froze on the screen, the sound cut out, and the TV locked up. The only way to restore it to operation was to turn it off at the power point and "reboot" it.


Update: over the past week or so this TV has frozen unrecoverably more than half a dozen times.

It's a lemon.
madmax
Hmmm....looks like it's the Pana for me. Just gotta get me to QV HN to check them out.....

NK, you should put your post in Reviews.
optusman
QUOTE (Neon Kitten @ Mar 8 2006, 03:42 PM) *
Update: over the past week or so this TV has frozen unrecoverably more than half a dozen times.

It's a lemon.



Would you buy the nlt-32w, non integrated normal set or just steer clear ? Could it be the in built tuner causing the problems ?
Neon Kitten
QUOTE (optusman @ Mar 9 2006, 11:02 PM) *
Would you buy the nlt-32w, non integrated normal set or just steer clear ? Could it be the in built tuner causing the problems ?


Oh, it's almost certainly the tuner causing the crashes. But that's just one problem amongst many with this particular TV.
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