- forgot to mention, in addition to HDMI, the unit also ships with an iLink cable
- I think I now have the Hitachi settings perfect, will post in another thread
- Also forgot to mention that the unit actually has multiple memory settings (memory1, memory2, memory3 etc.); thus one can get it to remember multiple settings. There are these default group of settings and thus one can load them as the default at anytime in any of the memory settings.
- Tested another one of DVD+R DL disk and it was played back flawlessly.
- Finally, I can confirm that it does auto-detect 4:3 material for letterboxing, even on a scene by scene basis. Those of you that remember, there were quite some discussions regarding this feature when 3910 first came out, you can read all about those discussions here.....Another plus for Pioneer...
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Some more findings:
Ok, this baby has become a keeper....
Been playing with it for more weeks now, and no hiccups.... have also tested some more chinese, korean, taiwanese etc. disks (and anything else that various friends loaned) just to ensure it plays everything......it has come out with flying colours.....
I now have been playing on the audio sides (the SACD and DVD-A collection is on an exponential rise, as you can imagine).......
It is early days, more on it later, but so far, the DAC in the Pioneer is more revealing and has a lot more detail than the one in my Marantz 7200 AVR. Definately hearing more things in my CDs.....
I feel I haven't got my audio calibrated properly though, and thus will be tweaking away......more on that in the other thread......
One thing I should correct though, is that I mentioned about Pioneer's disk resume feature, well after playing more with it, it only remembers until the disk is in the player..... bummer I thought it might be smarter than that.... but just a minor thing....
Anyway, so it is official, after 6 months of hunt, Pioneer it is !
cheers,
Ritesh
Been playing with it for more weeks now, and no hiccups.... have also tested some more chinese, korean, taiwanese etc. disks (and anything else that various friends loaned) just to ensure it plays everything......it has come out with flying colours.....
I now have been playing on the audio sides (the SACD and DVD-A collection is on an exponential rise, as you can imagine).......
It is early days, more on it later, but so far, the DAC in the Pioneer is more revealing and has a lot more detail than the one in my Marantz 7200 AVR. Definately hearing more things in my CDs.....
I feel I haven't got my audio calibrated properly though, and thus will be tweaking away......more on that in the other thread......
One thing I should correct though, is that I mentioned about Pioneer's disk resume feature, well after playing more with it, it only remembers until the disk is in the player..... bummer I thought it might be smarter than that.... but just a minor thing....
Anyway, so it is official, after 6 months of hunt, Pioneer it is !
cheers,
Ritesh
QUOTE (ritesh @ Mar 6 2005, 09:33 AM)
Ok, this baby has become a keeper....
Been playing with it for more weeks now, and no hiccups.... have also tested some more chinese, korean, taiwanese etc. disks (and anything else that various friends loaned) just to ensure it plays everything......it has come out with flying colours.....
I now have been playing on the audio sides (the SACD and DVD-A collection is on an exponential rise, as you can imagine).......
It is early days, more on it later, but so far, the DAC in the Pioneer is more revealing and has a lot more detail than the one in my Marantz 7200 AVR. Definately hearing more things in my CDs.....
I feel I haven't got my audio calibrated properly though, and thus will be tweaking away......more on that in the other thread......
One thing I should correct though, is that I mentioned about Pioneer's disk resume feature, well after playing more with it, it only remembers until the disk is in the player..... bummer I thought it might be smarter than that.... but just a minor thing....
Anyway, so it is official, after 6 months of hunt, Pioneer it is !
cheers,
Ritesh
Been playing with it for more weeks now, and no hiccups.... have also tested some more chinese, korean, taiwanese etc. disks (and anything else that various friends loaned) just to ensure it plays everything......it has come out with flying colours.....
I now have been playing on the audio sides (the SACD and DVD-A collection is on an exponential rise, as you can imagine).......
It is early days, more on it later, but so far, the DAC in the Pioneer is more revealing and has a lot more detail than the one in my Marantz 7200 AVR. Definately hearing more things in my CDs.....
I feel I haven't got my audio calibrated properly though, and thus will be tweaking away......more on that in the other thread......
One thing I should correct though, is that I mentioned about Pioneer's disk resume feature, well after playing more with it, it only remembers until the disk is in the player..... bummer I thought it might be smarter than that.... but just a minor thing....
Anyway, so it is official, after 6 months of hunt, Pioneer it is !
cheers,
Ritesh
thats great to hear ritesh. hehehe my sacd/dvda disk collection also went on an exponential rise after getting my universal player !
the pioneer is a jump ahead of my denon in the disk resume - mine won't remember even where it was in the disk in the player after switching it off and back on again !.
ps you just need to update your equipment list now !
QUOTE (ritesh @ Mar 6 2005, 09:33 AM)
Ok, this baby has become a keeper....
Congrats Ritesh, you are the most meticulous researcher I have ever seen.
Your coming to this decision has been one hell of an interesting ride. You've pretty much made up my mind too, but I still can't get over the chassis colour hurdle though, so I might wait and take a look at the forthcoming Yamaha when it hits the streets.
QUOTE (Foghorn17 @ Mar 6 2005, 08:44 AM)
QUOTE (ritesh @ Mar 6 2005, 09:33 AM)
Ok, this baby has become a keeper....
Congrats Ritesh, you are the most meticulous researcher I have ever seen.
Your coming to this decision has been one hell of an interesting ride. You've pretty much made up my mind too, but I still can't get over the chassis colour hurdle though, so I might wait and take a look at the forthcoming Yamaha when it hits the streets.
I did consider the upcoming Yamaha S2500, the upcoming Marantz 9500, upcoming Panasonic S97, the upcoming ones from Sony and Samsung !
In terms of features, Yamaha S2500 would be the closest; but having seen 2910 and 3910; the PQ (with the same Faroudja chip) would be very similar.
Marantz is missing the iLink (and at that price, it is a big miss), Sony has colorspace issues with upscaling, Samsung has other issues....
Personally, my only other choice would be the Panasonic S97 !
Not to forget that Yamaha is delayed till April now (another delay...).....
Ritesh
QUOTE (ritesh @ Mar 6 2005, 10:02 AM)
QUOTE (Foghorn17 @ Mar 6 2005, 08:44 AM)
QUOTE (ritesh @ Mar 6 2005, 09:33 AM)
Ok, this baby has become a keeper....
Congrats Ritesh, you are the most meticulous researcher I have ever seen.
Your coming to this decision has been one hell of an interesting ride. You've pretty much made up my mind too, but I still can't get over the chassis colour hurdle though, so I might wait and take a look at the forthcoming Yamaha when it hits the streets.
I did consider the upcoming Yamaha S2500, the upcoming Marantz 9500, upcoming Panasonic S97, the upcoming ones from Sony and Samsung !
In terms of features, Yamaha S2500 would be the closest; but having seen 2910 and 3910; the PQ (with the same Faroudja chip) would be very similar.
Marantz is missing the iLink (and at that price, it is a big miss), Sony has colorspace issues with upscaling, Samsung has other issues....
Personally, my only other choice would be the Panasonic S97 !
Not to forget that Yamaha is delayed till April now (another delay...).....
Ritesh
I'd say the marantz would be hugely overpriced too - if the 8400 is any indication ! yes and can't believe no i-link.
QUOTE (ritesh @ Mar 6 2005, 09:33 AM)
One thing I should correct though, is that I mentioned about Pioneer's disk resume feature, well after playing more with it, it only remembers until the disk is in the player..... bummer I thought it might be smarter than that.... but just a minor thing....
Hmmm...can you please elaborate on this? I would have thought that the player would only know when you placed the disk in the player? Sorry, I am confused here....
Are you saying once you took out the disk and then put it back in, it won't remember when you last played that disk to? In order for it to remember and allow resume playback, you cannot remove that disk from the player?Cheers.
QUOTE (fattchoi @ Mar 6 2005, 02:36 PM)
Are you saying once you took out the disk and then put it back in, it won't remember when you last played that disk to? In order for it to remember and allow resume playback, you cannot remove that disk from the player?
Yes and Yes !
If the disk is in player, and you press the "stop" button; and then hit "play" again, it remembers where you were.
However, it won't remember where you were, IF you EITHER pressed "stop" button twice OR ejected the disk (and then put it back in).
On this topic, there is another way to get around this, but it is not ideal.... read on...
Pioneer has a playlist/program feature, and you can create upto 24 playlists. In the manual it says that the playlists can only be for CD, SACDs and DVD-A. However, I have noticed it works for "some" DVDs. There is nothing special about the DVDs that it has worked for, but for some reason it hasn't worked for all DVDs and thus it can only be classified as a hit and a miss type of affair.
Anyway, for the DVDs that it has worked for, you could create a playlist of single item (i.e. mark a chapter) and then when you take the disk out and put it back in (either immediately or even after playing back other disks in the meantime); then you could bring up the playlist menu and hit "play"; then it would start at the chapter you were last watching.
There are a few people investigating this further over at the AVS, to see why it doesn't work for all dvds.....
Any other questions, fire away.....
Ritesh
ritesh I thought the resume would work like the old tosh I had. Eg. watching dvd, switch it off - switch back on and press play and it would resume where left off.
With the denon 2900, if you press stop and then press play again it resumes where left off. It wont remember where you were if you switch off and back on again. It does have a sort of marker system but have'nt really explored that side of things.
With the denon 2900, if you press stop and then press play again it resumes where left off. It wont remember where you were if you switch off and back on again. It does have a sort of marker system but have'nt really explored that side of things.
QUOTE (ritesh @ Mar 6 2005, 04:39 PM)
There are a few people investigating this further over at the AVS, to see why it doesn't work for all dvds.....
Is it by any chance related to the "menu type" of the DVD? What I mean is: Some of my music DVDs will play the music tracks ... after some delay ... without having to turn on the plasma to select play/audio options while most just sit at the main menu until a selection is made.
Anyone know when the panasonic S97 is being released??
QUOTE (dazbug @ Mar 6 2005, 08:31 PM)
Anyone know when the panasonic S97 is being released??
I was told by Panasonic a couple of weeks ago that it has been released; but I haven't managed to find any retailers stocking it yet...
Follow the "HDMI/DVI Players" thread for details....
Ritesh
QUOTE (fattchoi @ Feb 23 2005, 04:26 PM)
My Bose currently just go silent whenever I accidentally choose DTS on the DVD audio choice.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Bliss at last...
With the Pioneer, the initial questionaire setup is so easy to use. Especially for an idiot like myself who knows almost zilch as far as audio/videophilia is concerned. After answering that my AV cannot handle DTS, I don't have the problem of my Bose going silent when I scrolled through DTS audio from the dvd. Instead, the Pioneer is able to convert the DTS signal into something else that both my Bose and tv speakers can produce. That is incredible. I don't have to switch off and then on with my Bose again just because I selected DTS audio from the dvd.Cheers.
Pioneer have updated the RRP on their website to $1499
My contact at HN Moore Park advised me I could have this unit for $1149. If your interested at this price, let me know ill let him know. When I saw him last week, he told me that he's had 3 referrals from me that were off this forum for Plasma's. So he's more then happy to help out. Not bad huh!
QUOTE (elisiX @ Apr 7 2005, 03:31 PM)
My contact at HN Moore Park advised me I could have this unit for $1149. If your interested at this price, let me know ill let him know. When I saw him last week, he told me that he's had 3 referrals from me that were off this forum for Plasma's. So he's more then happy to help out. Not bad huh!
Not happy with mine @ all....prepared to get rid off it for less than the price above!!...:-( :-(
therashman what exactly dont you like about the Pioneer?
QUOTE (hifi007 @ Apr 7 2005, 06:04 PM)
therashman what exactly dont you like about the Pioneer?
check his posts in this thread he makes a couple of comments on the pioneer.
http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=177106
I'm still waiting for bizeebee to comment given he's got a denon 2900 to compare with.
QUOTE (alebonau @ Apr 7 2005, 06:39 PM)
I'm still waiting for bizeebee to comment given he's got a denon 2900 to compare with.
I'm still comparing them. I didn't want to just jump in and make some half cocked statement that was ill informed.
However I find the therashman statement very strange based on my testing.
QUOTE
I gotta say I am disappointed with my Pioneer 969avi for music replay....in comparison it sounds very metallic, particularly my DVD-As....never will again buy a universal player in any hurry....i think i will trade this baby in for a Arcam 79 next six months...
But this whole thing is very subjective and really depends on the type of sound you like.
I've tried the Pioneer using both iLink and it's Analog audio outputs for SACD, DVD-Audio & CD (Note: Can't use iLink for DVD-Audio on my AMP). Anyway I'm more than happy with it's audio and video performance compared to the Denon 2900.
I'm selling my Denon 2900 to a friend. Now that doesn't mean that the Pioneer is any better than the Denon. In fact I'm not going to say anything else because someone will disagree with whatever I say. Let's just say I'm happy to have the Pioneer. If I didn't want iLink then I would have been happy to keep the Denon 2900.
I will say that if you have a Denon 2900 and don't need iLink, HDMI etc. then I wouldn't bother changing.
One other thing. Roxy Music's Avalon & Dark Side of the Moon SACD's sound fantastic through both the Pioneer and Denon.
yep probably a personal pref thing - thanks for coming back on it anyway.
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 7 2005, 04:16 PM)
QUOTE (elisiX @ Apr 7 2005, 03:31 PM)
My contact at HN Moore Park advised me I could have this unit for $1149. If your interested at this price, let me know ill let him know. When I saw him last week, he told me that he's had 3 referrals from me that were off this forum for Plasma's. So he's more then happy to help out. Not bad huh!
Not happy with mine @ all....prepared to get rid off it for less than the price above!!...:-( :-(
PM me your price.
$500 to start the bidding.
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 7 2005, 04:16 PM)
QUOTE (elisiX @ Apr 7 2005, 03:31 PM)
My contact at HN Moore Park advised me I could have this unit for $1149. If your interested at this price, let me know ill let him know. When I saw him last week, he told me that he's had 3 referrals from me that were off this forum for Plasma's. So he's more then happy to help out. Not bad huh!
Not happy with mine @ all....prepared to get rid off it for less than the price above!!...:-( :-(
Just my luck. All these offerings only after I just bought mine and that was after such a long ardous search in Sydney...
Cheers.
What did you pay though Choi?
as I said, $1149 from HN Moore Park is best ive seen.
as I said, $1149 from HN Moore Park is best ive seen.
QUOTE (elisiX @ Apr 8 2005, 11:07 AM)
What did you pay though Choi?
as I said, $1149 from HN Moore Park is best ive seen.
as I said, $1149 from HN Moore Park is best ive seen.
Got mine for $1300 at HN, Bondi Westfield. MUST hone my bargaining skill next time before I make any more purchases...
Cheers.
QUOTE (bizzibee @ Apr 7 2005, 08:29 PM)
QUOTE (alebonau @ Apr 7 2005, 06:39 PM)
I'm still waiting for bizeebee to comment given he's got a denon 2900 to compare with.
I'm still comparing them. I didn't want to just jump in and make some half cocked statement that was ill informed.
However I find the therashman statement very strange based on my testing.
QUOTE
I gotta say I am disappointed with my Pioneer 969avi for music replay....in comparison it sounds very metallic, particularly my DVD-As....never will again buy a universal player in any hurry....i think i will trade this baby in for a Arcam 79 next six months...
But this whole thing is very subjective and really depends on the type of sound you like.
I've tried the Pioneer using both iLink and it's Analog audio outputs for SACD, DVD-Audio & CD (Note: Can't use iLink for DVD-Audio on my AMP). Anyway I'm more than happy with it's audio and video performance compared to the Denon 2900.
I'm selling my Denon 2900 to a friend. Now that doesn't mean that the Pioneer is any better than the Denon. In fact I'm not going to say anything else because someone will disagree with whatever I say. Let's just say I'm happy to have the Pioneer. If I didn't want iLink then I would have been happy to keep the Denon 2900.
I will say that if you have a Denon 2900 and don't need iLink, HDMI etc. then I wouldn't bother changing.
One other thing. Roxy Music's Avalon & Dark Side of the Moon SACD's sound fantastic through both the Pioneer and Denon.
Hey....I think it all boils down to personal tastes....I was running the Pioneer thru Arcam and felt that it was less than adequate for music as compared to my stand alone CD player....thats all.....however I'm glad that it suits your system and musical tastes...although am suprised that you preferred the Pioneer sound to the Denon...again it all boils down 2 personal preferences
BTW that Dark Side of the Moon is a Gr8t SACD....if you like that you should try Steely Dan Gaucho....its sensational!!....
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 8 2005, 12:25 PM)
Hey....I think it all boils down to personal tastes....I was running the Pioneer thru Arcam and felt that it was less than adequate for music as compared to my stand alone CD player....thats all.....however I'm glad that it suits your system and musical tastes...although am suprised that you preferred the Pioneer sound to the Denon...again it all boils down 2 personal preferences
BTW that Dark Side of the Moon is a Gr8t SACD....if you like that you should try Steely Dan Gaucho....its sensational!!....
BTW that Dark Side of the Moon is a Gr8t SACD....if you like that you should try Steely Dan Gaucho....its sensational!!....
Yes I'm thinking about ordering Steely Dan Gaucho with my next order of SACD's.
As I said in my last post. This whole thing relates to Personal Taste and is very subjective. Have a read of this Denon DVD-5900/A11 Review:
http://ultimateavmag.com/dvdplayers/904denon/index1.html
QUOTE
"When I switched over to the Pioneer DV-59AVi, there was no getting around it: the Pioneer simply sounded clearer, had a much stronger bottom end (I'd matched the players' output levels as closely as possible), and, overall, simply produced more of what I expect to hear from hi-rez audio. The same turned out to be true with SACD, whether I used bass management (which, remember, results in a conversion of SACD from DSD to PCM) or switched to Source Direct. Still, I suspect that many audiophiles will find the Denon's sweet, smooth sound more appealing than the up-front, brighter Pioneer."
Then the Pioneer Elite DV-59AVi (DV-969AVi) review.
http://ultimateavmag.com/dvdplayers/904pioneer/
QUOTE
"You'll find comments on the Pioneer's sound quality—particularly when playing DVD-As and SACDs—in the Denon review, so I'll cut to the chase here. I used the analog 5.1 outputs exclusively. They sounded highly detailed, with fine depth and soundstaging; solid, tight bass; and an open, clear top end that some (not I) might find just a bit elevated. That last point could just as easily be attributed to a small rise in the brightness region of the speakers I used: B&W's 703 L/Rs, HTM7 center, 705 L/R surrounds, and ASW750 subwoofer."
So the only way to account for this is Personal Taste. Yes the Denon is warmer sounding than the Pioneer. But does that mean it's better or more natural sounding? Depends on your tastes
Anyway the new price of the Pioneer will put preasure on Denon because of the features the Pioneer offers at it's new price point as compared to the Denon 3910.
Yes I'm thinking about ordering Steely Dan Gaucho with my next order of SACD's.
As I said in my last post. This whole thing relates to Personal Taste and is very subjective. Have a read of this Denon DVD-5900/A11 Review:
http://ultimateavmag.com/dvdplayers/904denon/index1.html
"When I switched over to the Pioneer DV-59AVi, there was no getting around it: the Pioneer simply sounded clearer, had a much stronger bottom end (I'd matched the players' output levels as closely as possible), and, overall, simply produced more of what I expect to hear from hi-rez audio. The same turned out to be true with SACD, whether I used bass management (which, remember, results in a conversion of SACD from DSD to PCM) or switched to Source Direct. Still, I suspect that many audiophiles will find the Denon's sweet, smooth sound more appealing than the up-front, brighter Pioneer."
Anyways.....I just traded in my Panny for a Arcam FMJ 29a....will have to wait until I run the Arcam in....hopefully the music reproduction on this unit will be better...I just could not warm to the Panny sound.....perhaps its my system..my ears who knows!!...
BTW also try Diana Krall on SACD......sounds pretty good.....
As I said in my last post. This whole thing relates to Personal Taste and is very subjective. Have a read of this Denon DVD-5900/A11 Review:
http://ultimateavmag.com/dvdplayers/904denon/index1.html
QUOTE
"When I switched over to the Pioneer DV-59AVi, there was no getting around it: the Pioneer simply sounded clearer, had a much stronger bottom end (I'd matched the players' output levels as closely as possible), and, overall, simply produced more of what I expect to hear from hi-rez audio. The same turned out to be true with SACD, whether I used bass management (which, remember, results in a conversion of SACD from DSD to PCM) or switched to Source Direct. Still, I suspect that many audiophiles will find the Denon's sweet, smooth sound more appealing than the up-front, brighter Pioneer."
Anyways.....I just traded in my Panny for a Arcam FMJ 29a....will have to wait until I run the Arcam in....hopefully the music reproduction on this unit will be better...I just could not warm to the Panny sound.....perhaps its my system..my ears who knows!!...
BTW also try Diana Krall on SACD......sounds pretty good.....
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 8 2005, 04:40 PM)
Anyways.....I just traded in my Panny for a Arcam FMJ 29a....will have to wait until I run the Arcam in....hopefully the music reproduction on this unit will be better...I just could not warm to the Panny sound.....perhaps its my system..my ears who knows!!...
BTW also try Diana Krall on SACD......sounds pretty good.....
BTW also try Diana Krall on SACD......sounds pretty good.....
Now I'm confused!
Did you trade in a Pioneer or a Panasonic on the Arcam? Where I'm from Panny is short for Panasonic. But I guess your taking about the Pioneer aren't you?
Anyway I'm sure the Acram will be more to your tastes. Enjoy!
The Arcam FMJ DV-29 looks to be priced slightly cheaper than the Denon 5910 at $4798. Well it is here:
http://www.pymblehifi.com.au/ArcamDVDs.htm
QUOTE (bizzibee @ Apr 8 2005, 04:47 PM)
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 8 2005, 04:40 PM)
Anyways.....I just traded in my Panny for a Arcam FMJ 29a....will have to wait until I run the Arcam in....hopefully the music reproduction on this unit will be better...I just could not warm to the Panny sound.....perhaps its my system..my ears who knows!!...
BTW also try Diana Krall on SACD......sounds pretty good.....
BTW also try Diana Krall on SACD......sounds pretty good.....
Now I'm confused!
Did you trade in a Pioneer or a Panasonic on the Arcam? Where I'm from Panny is short for Panasonic. But I guess your taking about the Pioneer aren't you?
Anyway I'm sure the Acram will be more to your tastes. Enjoy!
The Arcam FMJ DV-29 looks to be priced slightly cheaper than the Denon 5910 at $4798. Well it is here:
http://www.pymblehifi.com.au/ArcamDVDs.htm
I too am confused - think he means the pioneer but then he's got me confused in saying
QUOTE
BTW also try Diana Krall on SACD......sounds pretty good.....
as the fmj29 will only do dvd, cd and dvda not sacd ! unless he means listening to the sacd as a cd.
some clarification required therashman
QUOTE (alebonau @ Apr 8 2005, 09:17 PM)
QUOTE (bizzibee @ Apr 8 2005, 04:47 PM)
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 8 2005, 04:40 PM)
Anyways.....I just traded in my Panny for a Arcam FMJ 29a....will have to wait until I run the Arcam in....hopefully the music reproduction on this unit will be better...I just could not warm to the Panny sound.....perhaps its my system..my ears who knows!!...
BTW also try Diana Krall on SACD......sounds pretty good.....
BTW also try Diana Krall on SACD......sounds pretty good.....
Now I'm confused!
Did you trade in a Pioneer or a Panasonic on the Arcam? Where I'm from Panny is short for Panasonic. But I guess your taking about the Pioneer aren't you?
Anyway I'm sure the Acram will be more to your tastes. Enjoy!
The Arcam FMJ DV-29 looks to be priced slightly cheaper than the Denon 5910 at $4798. Well it is here:
http://www.pymblehifi.com.au/ArcamDVDs.htm
I too am confused - think he means the pioneer but then he's got me confused in saying
QUOTE
BTW also try Diana Krall on SACD......sounds pretty good.....
as the fmj29 will only do dvd, cd and dvda not sacd ! unless he means listening to the sacd as a cd.
some clarification required therashman
Guys
I assumed u were reading my other posts....i already stated earlier I have a stand alone SACD/CD player made by Sony....i bought that around 2001. I had a old stand alone ARCAM CD player as well. That Sony does a really good job on SACDs.....however I prolly look at replacing that within 12 months.....perhaps a MF...dunno yet!!
I had recently purchased a Pioneer 969 (confused the terminology with 'Panny'..new here...sorry!!)....and did not like the music reproduction at all. As i have a few DVD-As.Cds/SACDs....I was interested in a universal player that played all formats.....but the Pioneer music reproduction on my system just did not cut it for me.....so yesterday I traded the item in for a Arcam DV29a...
have been playing dvds and cds last night and this morning....already sounds better than my ole Pioneer.....but it needs to be run in for at least three months IMO before it performs to its optimum....
BTW...the picture via component is absolutely stunning!!....I have no hesitation in recommending this little baby...
hope the above clarifies!!....
now back to enjoying Paul Simon on DVD-A......then...
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 9 2005, 08:15 AM)
Guys
I assumed u were reading my other posts....i already stated earlier I have a stand alone SACD/CD player made by Sony....i bought that around 2001. I had a old stand alone ARCAM CD player as well. That Sony does a really good job on SACDs.....however I prolly look at replacing that within 12 months.....perhaps a MF...dunno yet!!
I had recently purchased a Pioneer 969 (confused the terminology with 'Panny'..new here...sorry!!)....and did not like the music reproduction at all. As i have a few DVD-As.Cds/SACDs....I was interested in a universal player that played all formats.....but the Pioneer music reproduction on my system just did not cut it for me.....so yesterday I traded the item in for a Arcam DV29a...
have been playing dvds and cds last night and this morning....already sounds better than my ole Pioneer.....but it needs to be run in for at least three months IMO before it performs to its optimum....
BTW...the picture via component is absolutely stunning!!....I have no hesitation in recommending this little baby...
hope the above clarifies!!....
now back to enjoying Paul Simon on DVD-A......then...
I assumed u were reading my other posts....i already stated earlier I have a stand alone SACD/CD player made by Sony....i bought that around 2001. I had a old stand alone ARCAM CD player as well. That Sony does a really good job on SACDs.....however I prolly look at replacing that within 12 months.....perhaps a MF...dunno yet!!
I had recently purchased a Pioneer 969 (confused the terminology with 'Panny'..new here...sorry!!)....and did not like the music reproduction at all. As i have a few DVD-As.Cds/SACDs....I was interested in a universal player that played all formats.....but the Pioneer music reproduction on my system just did not cut it for me.....so yesterday I traded the item in for a Arcam DV29a...
have been playing dvds and cds last night and this morning....already sounds better than my ole Pioneer.....but it needs to be run in for at least three months IMO before it performs to its optimum....
BTW...the picture via component is absolutely stunning!!....I have no hesitation in recommending this little baby...
hope the above clarifies!!....
now back to enjoying Paul Simon on DVD-A......then...
ah yes the sony sacd now it makes sense !.
good to hear your enjoying yourself there, the dv29 is a pretty special machine.
Keep us posted on yoru thoughts on the arcam dv29 as it runs in espcially in comparison with the 969 you owned and the other units you own too.
ah yes the sony sacd now it makes sense !.
good to hear your enjoying yourself there, the dv29 is a pretty special machine.
Keep us posted on yoru thoughts on the arcam dv29 as it runs in espcially in comparison with the 969 you owned and the other units you own too.
[/quote]
Hey...
Will do...
Got up real early this morning....to play dv 29...luv the sound...its very warm and i suspect it will get better...as it gets run in.....I have been swapping between my Sony SACD and the dv 29....the sony is just a tad ahead...I think its because the Arcam has not been run in....it took at least three months before I got the best outta of the SACD player....
BTW the 969 was not a bad machine...its pretty good and has really good specs....thats why I was attracted to it in the first place....its just that music wise it did not cut the mustard in my book....perhaps I have bias towards a certain sound...dunno!!....but the pic was good on the 969......
ahhh....that Paul Simon sounds gr8t...maybe 'rumours' by FM next!!...
good to hear your enjoying yourself there, the dv29 is a pretty special machine.
Keep us posted on yoru thoughts on the arcam dv29 as it runs in espcially in comparison with the 969 you owned and the other units you own too.
[/quote]
Hey...
Will do...
Got up real early this morning....to play dv 29...luv the sound...its very warm and i suspect it will get better...as it gets run in.....I have been swapping between my Sony SACD and the dv 29....the sony is just a tad ahead...I think its because the Arcam has not been run in....it took at least three months before I got the best outta of the SACD player....
BTW the 969 was not a bad machine...its pretty good and has really good specs....thats why I was attracted to it in the first place....its just that music wise it did not cut the mustard in my book....perhaps I have bias towards a certain sound...dunno!!....but the pic was good on the 969......
ahhh....that Paul Simon sounds gr8t...maybe 'rumours' by FM next!!...
Let's get things in perspective here.....
Pioneer 969avi has street price around $1.2k
Arcam FMJ 29a being mentioned here has street price $4.5-5k !
How can anyone compare the CD reproduction of these two machines !
Pioneer 969avi has loads more feature than the Arcam being mentioned here, has superior PQ via HDMI (and IMHO even via Component). The deinterlacer and decoder performance is superior.....infact on this topic, Secrets is doing another review, I am really interested in that...
Anyway, back to audio; what can anyone expect, ofcourse Arcam will be superior for CD reproduction, it better be for 5 times the price of the Pioneer !
IMHO though, exchanging Pioneer for the Arcam is a flawed decision.
Pioneer is the best transport out there by far; and mating it with an outboard DAC or better an AVR or prepro with iLink would be the way to go, if audio needs to be improved ! Not to mention all current formats too, including SACD !
You might be interested in threads like these; where outboard DACs are tried with the Pioneer to step up the audio....
So to summarize, IMHO Pioneer is the best buy out there ! For anyone with bigger budget and wishing for better audio; try one of the following three options:
- outboard DAC
- iLink connection to AVR's like the Denon 5910
- iLink connection to prepros like Integra DPR 7.1
For anyone, again with bigger budget, and wishing for better PQ for a 200'' screen; try something like iScan or Lumage or better the soon to be released Agolith scaler; it has the Realta processing, not the stripped own version in the Denon 5910 DVD Player but full blown with ALL the features; not to mention your other sources will improve too.....
For the price, AND even in 2-3 times the price, I just can't think of any machine with its feature set and video performance !
just my 2c,
Ritesh
Pioneer 969avi has street price around $1.2k
Arcam FMJ 29a being mentioned here has street price $4.5-5k !
How can anyone compare the CD reproduction of these two machines !
Pioneer 969avi has loads more feature than the Arcam being mentioned here, has superior PQ via HDMI (and IMHO even via Component). The deinterlacer and decoder performance is superior.....infact on this topic, Secrets is doing another review, I am really interested in that...
Anyway, back to audio; what can anyone expect, ofcourse Arcam will be superior for CD reproduction, it better be for 5 times the price of the Pioneer !
IMHO though, exchanging Pioneer for the Arcam is a flawed decision.
Pioneer is the best transport out there by far; and mating it with an outboard DAC or better an AVR or prepro with iLink would be the way to go, if audio needs to be improved ! Not to mention all current formats too, including SACD !
You might be interested in threads like these; where outboard DACs are tried with the Pioneer to step up the audio....
So to summarize, IMHO Pioneer is the best buy out there ! For anyone with bigger budget and wishing for better audio; try one of the following three options:
- outboard DAC
- iLink connection to AVR's like the Denon 5910
- iLink connection to prepros like Integra DPR 7.1
For anyone, again with bigger budget, and wishing for better PQ for a 200'' screen; try something like iScan or Lumage or better the soon to be released Agolith scaler; it has the Realta processing, not the stripped own version in the Denon 5910 DVD Player but full blown with ALL the features; not to mention your other sources will improve too.....
For the price, AND even in 2-3 times the price, I just can't think of any machine with its feature set and video performance !
just my 2c,
Ritesh
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 8 2005, 04:40 PM)
BTW also try Diana Krall on SACD......sounds pretty good.....
Buggar! I meant to ask you which Diana Krall SACD you were talking about. See:
http://www.sa-cd.net/search/Diana+Krall
I was going to order "When I Look In Your Eyes" in my next SACD order from cdpacific.com. However I haven't found a review regarding the sound quality of this SACD. The other of her's are rated, but I do like this one.
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 9 2005, 08:15 AM)
Guys
I assumed u were reading my other posts....i already stated earlier I have a stand alone SACD/CD player made by Sony....i bought that around 2001. I had a old stand alone ARCAM CD player as well. That Sony does a really good job on SACDs.....however I prolly look at replacing that within 12 months.....perhaps a MF...dunno yet!!
I had recently purchased a Pioneer 969 (confused the terminology with 'Panny'..new here...sorry!!)....and did not like the music reproduction at all. As i have a few DVD-As.Cds/SACDs....I was interested in a universal player that played all formats.....but the Pioneer music reproduction on my system just did not cut it for me.....so yesterday I traded the item in for a Arcam DV29a...
have been playing dvds and cds last night and this morning....already sounds better than my ole Pioneer.....but it needs to be run in for at least three months IMO before it performs to its optimum....
BTW...the picture via component is absolutely stunning!!....I have no hesitation in recommending this little baby...
hope the above clarifies!!....
now back to enjoying Paul Simon on DVD-A......then...
I assumed u were reading my other posts....i already stated earlier I have a stand alone SACD/CD player made by Sony....i bought that around 2001. I had a old stand alone ARCAM CD player as well. That Sony does a really good job on SACDs.....however I prolly look at replacing that within 12 months.....perhaps a MF...dunno yet!!
I had recently purchased a Pioneer 969 (confused the terminology with 'Panny'..new here...sorry!!)....and did not like the music reproduction at all. As i have a few DVD-As.Cds/SACDs....I was interested in a universal player that played all formats.....but the Pioneer music reproduction on my system just did not cut it for me.....so yesterday I traded the item in for a Arcam DV29a...
have been playing dvds and cds last night and this morning....already sounds better than my ole Pioneer.....but it needs to be run in for at least three months IMO before it performs to its optimum....
BTW...the picture via component is absolutely stunning!!....I have no hesitation in recommending this little baby...
hope the above clarifies!!....
now back to enjoying Paul Simon on DVD-A......then...
Sorry Mate! I too now remember you talking about your Sony 2CH SACD Player.
I'll get with the program now!
What are your fav DVD-Audio Titles?
QUOTE (ritesh @ Apr 9 2005, 10:05 AM)
Let's get things in perspective here.....
Pioneer 969avi has street price around $1.2k
Arcam FMJ 29a being mentioned here has street price $4.5-5k !
How can anyone compare the CD reproduction of these two machines !
Pioneer 969avi has loads more feature than the Arcam being mentioned here, has superior PQ via HDMI (and IMHO even via Component). The deinterlacer and decoder performance is superior.....infact on this topic, Secrets is doing another review, I am really interested in that...
Anyway, back to audio; what can anyone expect, ofcourse Arcam will be superior for CD reproduction, it better be for 5 times the price of the Pioneer !
IMHO though, exchanging Pioneer for the Arcam is a flawed decision.
Pioneer is the best transport out there by far; and mating it with an outboard DAC or better an AVR or prepro with iLink would be the way to go, if audio needs to be improved ! Not to mention all current formats too, including SACD !
You might be interested in threads like these; where outboard DACs are tried with the Pioneer to step up the audio....
So to summarize, IMHO Pioneer is the best buy out there ! For anyone with bigger budget and wishing for better audio; try one of the following three options:
- outboard DAC
- iLink connection to AVR's like the Denon 5910
- iLink connection to prepros like Integra DPR 7.1
For anyone, again with bigger budget, and wishing for better PQ for a 200'' screen; try something like iScan or Lumage or better the soon to be released Agolith scaler; it has the Realta processing, not the stripped own version in the Denon 5910 DVD Player but full blown with ALL the features; not to mention your other sources will improve too.....
For the price, AND even in 2-3 times the price, I just can't think of any machine with its feature set and video performance !
just my 2c,
Ritesh
Pioneer 969avi has street price around $1.2k
Arcam FMJ 29a being mentioned here has street price $4.5-5k !
How can anyone compare the CD reproduction of these two machines !
Pioneer 969avi has loads more feature than the Arcam being mentioned here, has superior PQ via HDMI (and IMHO even via Component). The deinterlacer and decoder performance is superior.....infact on this topic, Secrets is doing another review, I am really interested in that...
Anyway, back to audio; what can anyone expect, ofcourse Arcam will be superior for CD reproduction, it better be for 5 times the price of the Pioneer !
IMHO though, exchanging Pioneer for the Arcam is a flawed decision.
Pioneer is the best transport out there by far; and mating it with an outboard DAC or better an AVR or prepro with iLink would be the way to go, if audio needs to be improved ! Not to mention all current formats too, including SACD !
You might be interested in threads like these; where outboard DACs are tried with the Pioneer to step up the audio....
So to summarize, IMHO Pioneer is the best buy out there ! For anyone with bigger budget and wishing for better audio; try one of the following three options:
- outboard DAC
- iLink connection to AVR's like the Denon 5910
- iLink connection to prepros like Integra DPR 7.1
For anyone, again with bigger budget, and wishing for better PQ for a 200'' screen; try something like iScan or Lumage or better the soon to be released Agolith scaler; it has the Realta processing, not the stripped own version in the Denon 5910 DVD Player but full blown with ALL the features; not to mention your other sources will improve too.....
For the price, AND even in 2-3 times the price, I just can't think of any machine with its feature set and video performance !
just my 2c,
Ritesh
Fair Comment I guess.
I'm only using the DAC's in the Pioneer for DVD-Audio as my Amp doesn't accept DVD-Audio through iLink (Sony TA-DA9000ES Digital Amp). However I don't find there to be any problem with the DAC's in the Pioneer anyway.
I wouldn't have thought you would need to buy an external Scaler to use with the Pioneer if using HDMI. I have got a Focus Enhancements CenterStage 1 which I use with both my Denon 2900 & Pioneer 969. See:
http://www.focusinfo.com/products/centerst...centerstage.htm
The Denon 2900 & CS-1 share the same deinterlacer chip (Silicon Image Sil504 chip)
I use the CS-1 to scale either the 720x576p or 720x480p input from the DVD Player to 1280x720p, and then Transcode it (Component to RGBHV), so I can use the Pioneer and Denon with my NEC XG-1350G CRT Projector. The NEC only accepts RGBHV and not component or DVI/HDMI. However I'm looking into getting a card that might fit that problem.
Anyway the point is, the Pioneer produces a wonderful 180" picture on my NEC XG Projector. The raw (unscaled) progressive output from the Pioneer looks very good on both my NEC CRT Projector and Sony 86cm HDTV. However I guess this too is a subjective area and is based on personal tastes as well.
I think the main thing to remember is that everyone has their own tastes when it comes to Audio & Video. We need to respect that. Some people like their audio to sound warm. While other don't like it that way. Some people like their picture to be crisp, while others like a softer picture. It doesn't matter what you like or how you like it, just as long as you enjoy what you have.
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QUOTE (bizzibee @ Apr 9 2005, 10:50 AM)
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 9 2005, 08:15 AM)
Guys
I assumed u were reading my other posts....i already stated earlier I have a stand alone SACD/CD player made by Sony....i bought that around 2001. I had a old stand alone ARCAM CD player as well. That Sony does a really good job on SACDs.....however I prolly look at replacing that within 12 months.....perhaps a MF...dunno yet!!
I had recently purchased a Pioneer 969 (confused the terminology with 'Panny'..new here...sorry!!)....and did not like the music reproduction at all. As i have a few DVD-As.Cds/SACDs....I was interested in a universal player that played all formats.....but the Pioneer music reproduction on my system just did not cut it for me.....so yesterday I traded the item in for a Arcam DV29a...
have been playing dvds and cds last night and this morning....already sounds better than my ole Pioneer.....but it needs to be run in for at least three months IMO before it performs to its optimum....
BTW...the picture via component is absolutely stunning!!....I have no hesitation in recommending this little baby...
hope the above clarifies!!....
now back to enjoying Paul Simon on DVD-A......then...
I assumed u were reading my other posts....i already stated earlier I have a stand alone SACD/CD player made by Sony....i bought that around 2001. I had a old stand alone ARCAM CD player as well. That Sony does a really good job on SACDs.....however I prolly look at replacing that within 12 months.....perhaps a MF...dunno yet!!
I had recently purchased a Pioneer 969 (confused the terminology with 'Panny'..new here...sorry!!)....and did not like the music reproduction at all. As i have a few DVD-As.Cds/SACDs....I was interested in a universal player that played all formats.....but the Pioneer music reproduction on my system just did not cut it for me.....so yesterday I traded the item in for a Arcam DV29a...
have been playing dvds and cds last night and this morning....already sounds better than my ole Pioneer.....but it needs to be run in for at least three months IMO before it performs to its optimum....
BTW...the picture via component is absolutely stunning!!....I have no hesitation in recommending this little baby...
hope the above clarifies!!....
now back to enjoying Paul Simon on DVD-A......then...
Sorry Mate! I too now remember you talking about your Sony 2CH SACD Player.
I'll get with the program now!
What are your fav DVD-Audio Titles?
Some of my fav DVD-As are
Fleetwood mac...runmours
The Eagles...Hotel California
Steely Dan....Everything Must go
Foreigner and
George benson....Breezin...
Hve much more SACDs.....plenty of jazz and whole heap others....but gonna hunt for more Dvd-As
Playing some of the DVD-As thru Arcam.....it really sounds gr8t!!.....
QUOTE (bizzibee @ Apr 9 2005, 10:45 AM)
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 8 2005, 04:40 PM)
BTW also try Diana Krall on SACD......sounds pretty good.....
Buggar! I meant to ask you which Diana Krall SACD you were talking about. See:
http://www.sa-cd.net/search/Diana+Krall
I was going to order "When I Look In Your Eyes" in my next SACD order from cdpacific.com. However I haven't found a review regarding the sound quality of this SACD. The other of her's are rated, but I do like this one.
Diana Krall Albums that I have are:
The Girls in the other room; and
When I look in your eyes...
both great albums....can recommend it, hands down!!
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 9 2005, 01:02 PM)
QUOTE (ritesh @ Apr 9 2005, 10:05 AM)
Let's get things in perspective here.....
Pioneer 969avi has street price around $1.2k
Arcam FMJ 29a being mentioned here has street price $4.5-5k !
How can anyone compare the CD reproduction of these two machines !
Pioneer 969avi has loads more feature than the Arcam being mentioned here, has superior PQ via HDMI (and IMHO even via Component). The deinterlacer and decoder performance is superior.....infact on this topic, Secrets is doing another review, I am really interested in that...
Anyway, back to audio; what can anyone expect, ofcourse Arcam will be superior for CD reproduction, it better be for 5 times the price of the Pioneer !
IMHO though, exchanging Pioneer for the Arcam is a flawed decision.
Pioneer is the best transport out there by far; and mating it with an outboard DAC or better an AVR or prepro with iLink would be the way to go, if audio needs to be improved ! Not to mention all current formats too, including SACD !
You might be interested in threads like these; where outboard DACs are tried with the Pioneer to step up the audio....
So to summarize, IMHO Pioneer is the best buy out there ! For anyone with bigger budget and wishing for better audio; try one of the following three options:
- outboard DAC
- iLink connection to AVR's like the Denon 5910
- iLink connection to prepros like Integra DPR 7.1
For anyone, again with bigger budget, and wishing for better PQ for a 200'' screen; try something like iScan or Lumage or better the soon to be released Agolith scaler; it has the Realta processing, not the stripped own version in the Denon 5910 DVD Player but full blown with ALL the features; not to mention your other sources will improve too.....
For the price, AND even in 2-3 times the price, I just can't think of any machine with its feature set and video performance !
just my 2c,
Ritesh
Pioneer 969avi has street price around $1.2k
Arcam FMJ 29a being mentioned here has street price $4.5-5k !
How can anyone compare the CD reproduction of these two machines !
Pioneer 969avi has loads more feature than the Arcam being mentioned here, has superior PQ via HDMI (and IMHO even via Component). The deinterlacer and decoder performance is superior.....infact on this topic, Secrets is doing another review, I am really interested in that...
Anyway, back to audio; what can anyone expect, ofcourse Arcam will be superior for CD reproduction, it better be for 5 times the price of the Pioneer !
IMHO though, exchanging Pioneer for the Arcam is a flawed decision.
Pioneer is the best transport out there by far; and mating it with an outboard DAC or better an AVR or prepro with iLink would be the way to go, if audio needs to be improved ! Not to mention all current formats too, including SACD !
You might be interested in threads like these; where outboard DACs are tried with the Pioneer to step up the audio....
So to summarize, IMHO Pioneer is the best buy out there ! For anyone with bigger budget and wishing for better audio; try one of the following three options:
- outboard DAC
- iLink connection to AVR's like the Denon 5910
- iLink connection to prepros like Integra DPR 7.1
For anyone, again with bigger budget, and wishing for better PQ for a 200'' screen; try something like iScan or Lumage or better the soon to be released Agolith scaler; it has the Realta processing, not the stripped own version in the Denon 5910 DVD Player but full blown with ALL the features; not to mention your other sources will improve too.....
For the price, AND even in 2-3 times the price, I just can't think of any machine with its feature set and video performance !
just my 2c,
Ritesh
ok for my 2 cents....
....Perspective is not an objective exercise here...it is entirely subjective from where I sit....I suppoz I am more biased towards obtaining a better sound....so the Arcam does the job more than adequate for me in that regard....in terms of pic I can honestly say that the Arcam is just as good as the pioneer on both my Hitachi Plasma and Sony CRT TV....(component only)....gotta say did try out HDMI to dvi...the pic was not that much better than component....so I am not that hung up on HDMI etc....good component with superior audio does it for me....
so all n all I am happy getting rid of the Pioneer....no regrets....I dont get too hung up on the comparative specs of both machines and am not going enter a long debate about how this is better than that etc....i think that boils down to one's personal tastes and is entirely discretionary that cannot be objectively adduced IMO.....
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 9 2005, 01:09 PM)
QUOTE (bizzibee @ Apr 9 2005, 10:45 AM)
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 8 2005, 04:40 PM)
BTW also try Diana Krall on SACD......sounds pretty good.....
Buggar! I meant to ask you which Diana Krall SACD you were talking about. See:
http://www.sa-cd.net/search/Diana+Krall
I was going to order "When I Look In Your Eyes" in my next SACD order from cdpacific.com. However I haven't found a review regarding the sound quality of this SACD. The other of her's are rated, but I do like this one.
Diana Krall Albums that I have are:
The Girls in the other room; and
When I look in your eyes...
both great albums....can recommend it, hands down!!
Thanks Mate!
BTW....if you enjoy E John....get his Yellow Brick Rd album on SACD...very nice!!....not much of fan of his...but this is certainly one of those classic albums that is a keeper!!.....
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 9 2005, 01:15 PM)
BTW....if you enjoy E John....get his Yellow Brick Rd album on SACD...very nice!!....not much of fan of his...but this is certainly one of those classic albums that is a keeper!!.....
Yes I was in JB HiFi in Canberra on Thursday and saw the Deluxe SACD Version but they wanted like over $50 for it. I was there buying a copy of Dark Side Of The Moon for a friend who is buying my Denon 2900. Anyway I picked up DSOTM for $22 which I thought was a good price. Couldn't find many other SACD there.
QUOTE (bizzibee @ Apr 9 2005, 01:23 PM)
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 9 2005, 01:15 PM)
BTW....if you enjoy E John....get his Yellow Brick Rd album on SACD...very nice!!....not much of fan of his...but this is certainly one of those classic albums that is a keeper!!.....
Yes I was in JB HiFi in Canberra on Thursday and saw the Deluxe SACD Version but they wanted like over $50 for it. I was there buying a copy of Dark Side Of The Moon for a friend who is buying my Denon 2900. Anyway I picked up DSOTM for $22 which I thought was a good price. Couldn't find many other SACD there.
Ah...hah!...canberra...frequently go there for work and buddies.....the other place for SACDs there is 'Abels' in Manuka....got both Pink Floyd and E John there...however they do more jazz etc....cant think of other places in canberra apart from JB and Abels!!.....
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 9 2005, 01:27 PM)
QUOTE (bizzibee @ Apr 9 2005, 01:23 PM)
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 9 2005, 01:15 PM)
BTW....if you enjoy E John....get his Yellow Brick Rd album on SACD...very nice!!....not much of fan of his...but this is certainly one of those classic albums that is a keeper!!.....
Yes I was in JB HiFi in Canberra on Thursday and saw the Deluxe SACD Version but they wanted like over $50 for it. I was there buying a copy of Dark Side Of The Moon for a friend who is buying my Denon 2900. Anyway I picked up DSOTM for $22 which I thought was a good price. Couldn't find many other SACD there.
Ah...hah!...canberra...frequently go there for work and buddies.....the other place for SACDs there is 'Abels' in Manuka....got both Pink Floyd and E John there...however they do more jazz etc....cant think of other places in canberra apart from JB and Abels!!.....
Thanks I'll check it out next time I'm over there.
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 9 2005, 01:02 PM)
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Thinking out Loud hear:
969...................................................DV78
1. DVD............................................1. DVD
2. CD .............................................2. CD
3. HDMI
4. DVI
5. DVDA
6. Multiple Features
7. Blacks ?....................................Superb
Street price $1300.............................Street Price $1900
cost per item $1300/6.............................$1900/2
Cost per item $217.00.............................$950.00
Nuff said
cheers
QUOTE (ohboy @ Apr 9 2005, 02:13 PM)
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 9 2005, 01:02 PM)
////
Thinking out Loud hear:
969...................................................DV78
1. DVD............................................1. DVD
2. CD .............................................2. CD
3. HDMI
4. DVI
5. DVDA
6. Multiple Features
7. Blacks ?....................................Superb
Street price $1300.............................Street Price $1900
cost per item $1300/6.............................$1900/2
Cost per item $217.00.............................$950.00
Nuff said
cheers
what are you saying here ohboy the arcam 78 has more money spent per atribute versus the universal pio ?, please clarify as your post is just a bit cryptic.
also note the arcam that thrashman is talking about is the fmj29a
QUOTE
Let's get things in perspective here.....
Pioneer 969avi has street price around $1.2k
Arcam FMJ 29a being mentioned here has street price $4.5-5k !
How can anyone compare the CD reproduction of these two machines !
Pioneer 969avi has street price around $1.2k
Arcam FMJ 29a being mentioned here has street price $4.5-5k !
How can anyone compare the CD reproduction of these two machines !
You would certainly would hope the Arcam FMJ 29a sounded better than the Pioneer. I still would like to try a Pioneer for sheer interest. The 3900 Denon I loaned was a little too warm for my taste and had glitch issues with some of my discs. My 676A bedroom cheapie plays just about everything that the Denon glitched at, but its not great for critical listening. A good dedicated CD transport I once heard was the TEAC P-30 but its well out of my budget.
QUOTE (alebonau @ Apr 9 2005, 04:26 PM)
QUOTE (ohboy @ Apr 9 2005, 02:13 PM)
QUOTE (therashman @ Apr 9 2005, 01:02 PM)
////
Thinking out Loud hear:
969...................................................DV78
1. DVD............................................1. DVD
2. CD .............................................2. CD
3. HDMI
4. DVI
5. DVDA
6. Multiple Features
7. Blacks ?....................................Superb
Street price $1300.............................Street Price $1900
cost per item $1300/6.............................$1900/2
Cost per item $217.00.............................$950.00
Nuff said
cheers
what are you saying here ohboy the arcam 78 has more money spent per atribute versus the universal pio ?, please clarify as your post is just a bit cryptic.
also note the arcam that thrashman is talking about is the fmj29a
What I am saying Al, is "There is Quality" and "There is Quantity"
The 969 has the "Quantity"
The DV78 has the "Quality"
I am not saying the 969 is a bad player, it seems that pioneer has put all the bells and whistles into it, but not all the quality parts.
where as Arcam have concentrated on the P.Q and the S.Q alone, and not bells and whistles. IMHO.
cheers
QUOTE (hifi007 @ Apr 9 2005, 05:21 PM)
QUOTE
Let's get things in perspective here.....
Pioneer 969avi has street price around $1.2k
Arcam FMJ 29a being mentioned here has street price $4.5-5k !
How can anyone compare the CD reproduction of these two machines !
Pioneer 969avi has street price around $1.2k
Arcam FMJ 29a being mentioned here has street price $4.5-5k !
How can anyone compare the CD reproduction of these two machines !
You would certainly would hope the Arcam FMJ 29a sounded better than the Pioneer. I still would like to try a Pioneer for sheer interest. The 3900 Denon I loaned was a little too warm for my taste and had glitch issues with some of my discs. My 676A bedroom cheapie plays just about everything that the Denon glitched at, but its not great for critical listening. A good dedicated CD transport I once heard was the TEAC P-30 but its well out of my budget.
teac (esoteric) makes some bloody awesome transports. I remember the teac p30 about 10-12 years ago when doing some auditioning at secher, quite amazing and yes well out of my ball park then and now. I got the teac p700 as a cd transport instead still very nice indeed.
the denon has a warmer sound to the pioneer, no doubt about it.
I was close to buying an arcam 78/79 3-4 months ago(when I was so dissapointed wit hthe denon 2910/3910) I would have been extremely happy with the arcams I think but would have missed sacd for sure. Which I enjoy very much with my denon 2900, especially discs like the diana krall look of love sacd - silky smooth very nice indeed. By the way I own the dvda version of this disk too.
I think people who buy the arcam dvd 78/79 buy those players looking for good dvd pictures and better cd sound / better dvda sound than the other universal disc players. These people most likely also buy one of the top line sony sacd players that are supposed to be a cut above the universals to do sacd. People really serious about cd sound will I think buy a dedicated cd player regardless.
I'm pretty sure personal preferences come into all this. So does finances - damn side cheaper to buy a universal player than a CD player, dvd/dvda player and sacd player. Also I think what is a very important deciding factor is the resolving power of your system. If you don't have a system able to resolve the audio or video of these expensive players I think they might be wasted.
I have an audio system that definetely shows the difference audio wise. Video wise though on my 37" plasma I'd be lying that theres any significant difference between some of these high end players and a budget one. On my display size I believe theres little visible difference (even with hdmi/dvi) which probably is a lot more with a bigger display/projected image.
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