Saw to-day for the first time the new Sharp HDTV LCD display words cannot describe the fantastic picture quality....my next display

Picture

cheers laurie

ps will be available at HM,Bing Lee,DSE[PowerHouse] next month

Price?

Well.......$$$ was told next batch will be at the latest A$ rate as opposed to the first batch that was sold out[I asked to who!] between $13000-$15000 approx looks like a 4 yrs interest free loan is looking good but the picture I posted does not do justice to the picture quality the set was being feed a 1080i picture
cheers laurie

GeeZ, that is A LOT of moola.

Looks awesome tho.

I Saw one when I was in HongKong about 2 months ago, the HD stuff is stunning and they absolutely blow plasmas away for PQ.

Yep so was everyone else that saw it to-day even other manufactures reps were looking at it!!
cheers laurie

Specs
1.1920x1080[6,220,800 dots]
2.Contrast Ratio 800:1
3.Luminance 450 cd/m2
4.Viewing Angles H/V 170deg
5.Lamp Life 60000 user replaceable
6.Media Box with 2 component inputs and DVI
7.C.I. Slot

cheers laurie

So how big is this sucker?

Regards
Paul

Holy cow now thats what I call a fantastic picture !!!!

Now If I can figure out away of returning the NEC

Angelo

Opps sorry paul 45"
cheers laurie

Sorry Angelo was thinking about you while watching the display I saw the NEC at an other booth ok it wasn't feed a 1080i signal like the Sharp but the detail of the blacks/shadows was 3D like I believe it will set the reference for HD displays

cheers laurie

Yep what ever you buy today it will always turn into yesterdays hero.
What did you think of the NEC Laurie ?

Angelo

Angelo
Compared to others displays it would be my first choice even if I don't go the Sharp way but its getting harder to pick one from the top 5 best using pq as the only guide it's what is connected to them that starts to seperate the men from the boys...IMHO

cheers laurie

Yep true too. Who knows in the year 3025 we might just have Foxtel @ 1080i and a decoder box with DVI on it.....................nup still think it will be too much to ask for.

Angelo

Only one DVI input!!!?!?! Are they serious?

Danny.

Laurie what is the model no. if it? Also did you see the Sony Qualia projector at the show which is being released in December for $39,999.

Spero

Tell you what Spero if it wasn't for the Sharp I would have request my money back for Sydney to put on such $hit is typicial it should have been called "The Video Game Expo" the Sharp model is LG-45G1X I will try to scan a few pictures for all to see hey Spero the Denon will look great on it and the ultimate is HD-DVD
cheers laurie

Danny
lol I said the very same thing because I was thinking DVD/STB inputs he was rather surprised that one connector was not sufficent I also said why the speakers was not on the side for this model he said" research shows........blah,blah" I tried to explain that stereo sound need some form of seperation to work at best?
cheers laurie

I must be coming from a different economic planet, I don't know how you guys can afford to pay $14000 for a TV

The Sharp display can defeat most of the plasma screen in the market, no doubt at all. you see 42" plasma they are displaying resolution at 1024x768, and with that 3 extra inches of size, but the resolution moving up to 1920x1080p. No doubt its obviously better. Plasma 50" only gives us 1366x768, 5 inches larger than sharp, but it has decreased approx 570x320 of pixel on the screen... Obviously u don't need to compare it by eyes still known it the sharp is gonna kick ass.
capability of displaying 1920x1080 is already awesome, additionally it doesn't require the scaler to do the job anymore from the HDtv source, so its even better.

I am sure all of the tv in the future will have 1920x1080 resolution, but then it will release some other cool features to defeats the other away. I guess, if u already have an ok display, just keep it , wait until they are getting cheaper and then buy one.. Technology is never end. unless u think u have too much money to spend on, then go for it. Only rich people can keeping up with the Technology stuff ( expensive thing like this tv )

But surely i will have to go take a look in store.. can't afford to miss it

Regard
Ray

The model was LC 45g1x wasn't it?

Just in case people are having trouble googling it.

Also a question

I would love to know how it looks with high speed video motion - that seems to be the bugbear of the bigger LCD screens - It has a quoted 16ms response time (which if computer LCD computer monitors are anything to go by, a meaningless statistic), which is still potentially slow enough to allow motion blur.

Hi Scalpel,

Obviously I haven't seen this Sharp LCD, but I wouldn't expect motion blurr to be a problem.

The latest direct-view digital displays seem to have done away with any vestige of motion blurr. My recent NEC 106cm plasma (1024x768) shows none, and the recent Toshiba 63cm LCD (1280x720) shows none.

Just some opinions,
Ian

I think the sharp comes with 12ms response time, so motion bluring shouldn't be evident on it. Just be weary though folks, I've been reading on avsforums that quite a few people with the first batch of panels have quite a few dead/bad pixels. I'd personally wait for a second gen 1080p display in order to avoid first run issues that may be there. But from your photo the picture does looks very smooth film like, I've been impressed with a lot of the sharp lcd panels i've seen so no doubt this one will certainly have some wow to it.

BTW - The blurb for the LCD monitor seems to say 16ms response - admittedly 2nd hand internet blurb Sharp model info

The reason I am interested is that on computer LCD displays (not an issue with plasma as far as I can see) seem to have an inherant problem. The computer LCDs obviously use high resolutions, I haven't a clue whether the technology is anything close to what they use in 'TV' type LCD displays. Even the very fast LCD computer displays are a comprimise (eg the just released BenQ - FP71e+ (8ms), the Hydis panels (Hyundai Q17, Iiyama AS4314UTG and Hercules PV920 Pro all 20ms monitors, but VERY fast displays none the less) or the Sharp S-IPS panel used in the Eizo L885 LCD) seem to have a comprimise between speed and ability to display good contrasts.

If Sharp have solved this unfortunate paradox, then I would have thought that the technology would have appeared in computer LCD monitors.

But I would be very happy to be wrong.

I guess I'll just have to wait and see when they come out into the shops.

J.

Spot on mozmo one of the lowest figures obtained by a lcd panel



That is one question I really pushed I was told the original delay was to make sure the units we are now getting did not allow this to get pass quality control! its a manufacturing problem as oppose to a bad process you either get stuck on/off pixels during the manufacturing process with 3 transistors for each pixel that cannot be tested during the process and can only be checked after the panel is made

Scalpel
The Model is LC45G1XSYS


cheers laurie

Sorry to be a spoiled sport, but why so much excitement about this display?
At this price point, the soon to be realised in the US, Sony 70” SXRB display blows the Sharp away.
70” 1920x1080p and 3000:1 contrast ratio for less then $10,000 US or $15,000 AUD
Say no more.

The only thing with the sony is it's still a RPTV, which has it's own set of problems with viewing angles and fresnel sharpness issues. A 1080p flat panel is always going to be clearer and sharper than a 1080p rear projection.

Yes & a 70" RPTV takes up too much room. I would have had a RPTV years ago but my wife likes the thin form factor of LCD & Plasma screens so we wait & watch until the right price/performance/size ratio is hit.

Regards
Paul

The SXRB looks great, but if it is $US 10k in the US I wouldn't expect to see it here for $AUS 15k for quite some time. We tend to get the rough end of the pineapple when it comes to electronic goods pricing, particularly ones that are harder to parallel import like TVs. For comparison, the Sony 86cm CRT is about half the price in America.

No need to be sorry Owen to me the excitement is that now we have a true HD display and once one manufacture has a set it may cause others to follow and as Paul said I too will wait & watch until the right price/performance/size ratio is suited to my needs just have a look at the present crop of Plasmas/LCD displays what was their price entry point say a year ago!! and if that Sony is a crt RPTV there is no way I will put up with the Convergence issues these sets throw up each time you turn them on its a non issue with lcd JMHO

cheers laurie

QUOTE:
“The only thing with the sony is it's still a RPTV, which has it's own set of problems with viewing angles and fresnel sharpness issues. A 1080p flat panel is always going to be clearer and sharper than a 1080p rear projection.”

The issue of viewing angle fascinates me.
I have owned two CRT RPTV’s, supposedly the worst for viewing angle, and vet they both worked fine at 45 degrees of axis or more. I cant imagine any one actually wanting to view any screen from greater then 45 degrees.
Unlike most RPTV’s, the Sony does not use a Fresnel screen.

Any advantage of a direct view flat panel display in sharpens and clarity will be irrelevant at viewing distances greater then about 2 meters.
At that distance, with a 45” display you will be hard pressed to even resolve the full 1920x1080 resolution.
A 70” display will always show FARE more detail then a 45” display at any given viewing distance.
At 3-4 meters, a 45” display is relatively small and looks like a TV. A high quality 70” display at that distance is really impressive and provides a real home cinema experiance


QUOTE:
“Yes & a 70" RPTV takes up too much room. I would have had a RPTV years ago but my wife likes the thin form factor of LCD & Plasma screens so we wait & watch until the right price/performance/size ratio is hit.”

I understand that a 70” screen is not for everyone, but the Sony is very slim, and takes up little more room then an equivalent size flat panel.
Be prepared for a very long wait for any flat panel display that can compete for quality, size and price with the Sony or similar RPTV


QUOTE:
“The SXRB looks great, but if it is $US 10k in the US I wouldn't expect to see it here for $AUS 15k for quite some time. We tend to get the rough end of the pineapple when it comes to electronic goods pricing, particularly ones that are harder to parallel import like TVs. For comparison, the Sony 86cm CRT is about half the price in America”.

There is no doubt that we will be over charged for any display compared to the US, but LCOS rear projection technology will always be cheaper then equivalent size Plasma or LCD and most likely offer higher contrast ratios, and black level performance.
The Sharp 65” panel will cost almost twice the price of the Sony 70” SXRD and offer vastly inferior contrast ratios
It is highly unlikely that the Sony SXRD or 65” Sharp will be available in Oz before 2006, but there is always the option of private import. I estimate that the Sony could be imported from the US for less then $20,000 AUD. That’s damn good value compared to a low performance 60” HD Plasma.
The idea of spending $14,000-$15,000 AUD for a 45” display does not appeal to me.


QUOTE:
“No need to be sorry Owen to me the excitement is that now we have a true HD display and once one manufacture has a set it may cause others to follow and as Paul said I too will wait & watch until the right price/performance/size ratio is suited to my needs just have a look at the present crop of Plasmas/LCD displays what was their price entry point say a year ago!! and if that Sony is a crt RPTV there is no way I will put up with the Convergence issues these sets throw up each time you turn them on its a non issue with lcd JMHO”

The Sony SXRD is an LCOS digital display and has zero convergence issues.
I have owed two CRT RPTV’s in the last 5 years and convergence has never been a problem.
It’s set and forget on modern CRT displays and only needs a quick tune up twice a year. Hardly a big problem considering the quality of picture possible with CRT RPTV’s
No amount of adjustment can get rid of the screen door and pixelation problems with existing LCD RPTV’s



Those that have seen the Sony at the Vegas CES rated it the best large screen display they have ever seen.

A 45” display is not very big, and as the owner of a 43” display for 4 years I can attest that I very quickly got used to it and wanted something twice as big. Even at a viewing distance of less then 3 meters

My current 57” display is definitely not too big, and for viewing distances of 4 meter or more, a 57” should be considered a minimum size for good HD viewing.

This is all just MHO of course.



Owen

I have been quoted a cash price on the sharp of $12000 from rrp $15990

cheers laurie

no more comment on this display ? today is 8th November already, so has anyone else saw this display from anywhere ?

About the 70" sony screen, if it is going to be RPTV standard, then i won't even think about it, mainly its because of the size, and weight. Quality wise , the angle viewing would be another issue. Although it has improved a lot, but i doubt it whether the display can make comparison with plasma ? even LCD still has some black level issues. However i am not too sure about this sharp 45" G series.

Can't wait to see this display in store.

btw. many of you guys might have read all about my whinging thing from many of my previous post. Recently i've upgraded my computer and downloaded those WMV_HD and DivX HD video and its being played on my screen via dvi connection.
and the quality is just awesome. I am totally satisfying at this stage. So i won't be bothering selling it. At last i've just realised what is the best quality my screen tv can be archieve.

Regard

Ray.

Laurie,

The 1st batch is already sold out, but we are getting in another batch b4 Xmas. RRP is $13999 so 12k is a damm good price for this panel.

In regards to the side speaker option, it will be released eventually with side speakers, but the 1st couple of batches will all be the single bottom speaker(my pref).

Pretty much everywhere other than OZ loves the single speaker designs, but in OZ, they outsell em 3 to 1. Bizarre.

86rayl,

They should be in stores end Nov/early Dec.

Any word on the 65" model???

The 45" is way to small for me.

65" will be out in late 2005. Currently only 3 exist in the entire world!!

Yeh Owen its a size that sits in the middle even 50" would have been better but maybe the 1980x1080 resolution panel is charged @ so much per mm!! so going from a 45"-50" means $$$$$$ unlike plasma panels JMHO by the way the $12000 price was quoted by Bing Lee in Haymarket area Sydney
cheers laurie

spacecowboy,

That’s for the info.
Does late 2005 mean world release or Australian release?


Owen

The 65” will undoubtedly be much more expensive then the 45” and I feel that it will be uncompetitive against the Sony SXRD (Qualia in a Box).
At this stage is would seem that the Sony will offer much better black levels and substantially lower cost for size.


Regards,

Owen

Its early Dec now, still can't see the LCD in JBhifi, some ppl have mentioned it is available in some places, can anybody give me the info please ? can't wait to see the display. any help would be appreciate.

Regard

RayL

I would't hold your breadth 86. these new sharp panels are pricey and the likes of JB would probably not want to hold one of these in stock given how quickly theyre getting superceded. unless of course sharp will lend them one...the last serious (big)lcd panel I saw at jb was about 4-5 months ago and the salesman there told me it was only there on loan from sharp for propmotional duties and he explained the above reason why they would not get one on show.

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I would't hold your breadth 86. these new sharp panels are pricey and the likes of JB would probably not want to hold one of these in stock given how quickly theyre getting superceded. unless of course sharp will lend them one...the last serious (big)lcd panel I saw at jb was about 4-5 months ago and the salesman there told me it was only there on loan from sharp for propmotional duties and he explained the above reason why they would not get one on show.

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oo.. really. thats too bad, i went to many places, the largest Sharp LCD i saw is the Aquos 37". I guess i will have to wait for a little longer then.. thank you for your reply alebonau.

regard
Ray

I hear all this stuff about this LCD blowing things away for picture quality, but is it really going to look that great here in Australia, I mean, is free to air or foxtel of a quality that will actually allow this display to shine? I mean, I couldn't imagine watching foxtel on this LCD display, it would absolutely horrid, it looks pixellated enough on a standard definition set, and with all the extra clarity it's going to look even worse on this thing, and apart from the HDTV loop on free to air, what broadcasts are going to look great on this?

HD DVD... in the very near feature, WMV9 or Divx HD will push right on just before blue-ray release. both of these format can hit right up to 1920x1080 no problem. and HDTV broadcast resolution is 1440x1080, so u need that similar or higher resolution to display them correctly. And remember, its LCD, life time is more reliable than plasma, no burn in side effect. However i knew the price is gonna stay high for a while, so as i said, i am just gonna take a look at it, thats all i want to do.

Regard
Ray

I also agree with Owen's comments, sure it's great to see LCD reaching 1920x1080 in a reasonable size display, but for me 45" is too small to replace a 57" rear pro CRT with. Let alone comparing it with what is being offered with the Sony 70" SXRD display.

One thing you didn't mention - thats a rear projection. Awful bloody things.

Since the Sony is “state of the art” with absolutely no competition for picture size OR quality of image.
How on earth can it be an “Awful bloody thing”?

If you are just after a fashion statement to hang on your wall, then fine that is your choice.

But, describing what is becoming recognised by all who have seen it as “the finest consumer grade display on the planet” as awful, seems a little rash to me.

Owen

Trust us when we say that a rear projection unit is a 'bloody awful thing;

No competition for image quality? I think you're dreaming.

It might win on image size but that's about it. I'd take a good front projector any day.

Trust us? How many of you are there?

Remember that we are not talking about front projectors here.
They have a whole set of limitations that makes any comparison pointless, but while we are on the subject, maybe one of you has heard of the Sony Qualia 004 front projector?
It’s probably the best digital front projector on the market and costs about $30,000 US

Well guess what lives inside the Sony SXRD.
Surprise, it’s basically the same light engine.

So if you say that front projecting is so good, how is it awful if we use the same technology to rear project?
I just don’t see how that works dude.

As for competition, please name a display of similar size that is competitive with the Sony SXRD.
A 45” screen, no matter how good, is NOT competitive IMHO, as you have to sit to close to get an acceptably wide viewing angle.
Front projectors though big, do not offer the “looking through a window” viewing experience that many people find so appealing with good rear projectors or Plasma’s.
Added to that, unless you are spending really big money, there are no front projectors that can match the 1920x1080 resolution of the SXRD.


Regards,

Owen