51 replies to this topic

[Owen]

Maybe its just me but I dont hold a retailer responsible for a failure of a product they sold me, its really is not their fault or their problem. If the manufacture does not step up and support their product via the appointed distributor I would make a big fuss like most people would and word will soon get around.
If the distributor gets a reputation for poor backup the gray importers will make them irrelevant quick smart. I dont feel like paying significantly higher prices unless I KNOW I will get better service, might get better service does not cut it.

Edited by Owen, 08 February 2012 - 11:54 PM.

[SDL]

Owen, on 08 February 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:

Maybe its just me but I dont hold a retailer responsible for a failure of a product they sold me, its really is not their fault or their problem. If the manufacture does not step up and support their product via the appointed distributor I would make a big fuss like most people would and word will soon get around.
If the distributor gets a reputation for poor backup the gray importers will make them irrelevant quick smart. I dont feel like paying significantly higher prices unless I KNOW I will get better service, might get better service does not cut it.

It is probably just you. The only Contract of Sale is between you and the retailer. You deal with them they deal with the distributor or manufacturer. Yes you can cut out the middle man and it sometimes works, but legally if it goes pear shaped you are in a really bad position.

[Owen]

Since the chance of a failure is maybe 10% and the chance of having problems with warranty service because I chose the wrong retailer is stuff all I'll take the sub 1% risk of being in a really bad position on the chin. Again, that's just me.

Having said that, I see no point in dicking around to save a couple of hundred bucks.

Edited by Owen, 09 February 2012 - 12:16 PM.

[SDL]

Which is exactly where all this started. Who wants to dick around just for a few bucks.

[oulu]

I'm interested in

[webbsy]

and actually the difference in price is under that lol, anyway stock should be in by the end of next week for the people that are interested but you will have to get in soon as it is a limited shipment.

[yorac]

Interesting read, from what I can see Webbsy starts a GB, Barnjb then decides to jump on what he presumes may be a gravy train to try and undercut (not the first time) and when Webbsy remains loyal to the his retailer gets white anted........

and that is what I see in here, white anting, nothing more and nothing less........

oh and btw, best price does not always represent best value and the form in here by a couple of members allegedly concerned about members being looked after but silent prior to the GB going ahead certainly vindicates that fact..............

[HomerJ]

webbsy, on 29 January 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

... further more in regard to extended warranties would you in 3 years if someone bought back a projector that was faulty and was ou of warranty replace it with an equivelent? because my retailer would.

Can you confirm the GB offers a 3 year replacement warranty?

[webbsy]

its not a replacement warranty HomerJ what i was saying that my retailer would do everything possible to help the customer out and if the item needs replacing it will happen, its not all about the money and like i said before would rather loose a little bit of money and keep a customer rather than loose a customer and save a few bucks.

[Adelaideltpc]

Dude,

Your intention was very clear - telling us your price is better, but at the same time you're also telling us of your lack of integrity!

Emails are personal and disclosing them on a public forum for your personal gains is the lowest form of all.... so unethical!

Althought I'm interested in getting a pj at the best possible price, you're just not trust-worthy to deal with!
If this is what you're doing to steal a sale, imagine what you'd do when we need the aftersale service.

Learn some forum etique - wait for current GB finishes then run your own....

barnbj, on 29 January 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Just thought I would let everyone who is considering this group buy in on this information:

......
I have written this post in order to enable people to make an informed decision .....

Thanks,

Brett

[SDL]

Are you a retailer?

If not you are going on here say, if you are then this isnt a very professional approach

[yorac]

As stated Arextwo and your mate, whom should be noted have commercial interests only, you are white ants, nothing more nothing less, but mre importantly you cannot be trusted, your attitude and actions here is living proof.

Your end product here will be that JVC will end up not doing or wishing involvement with any GB.

and if Webbsy chooses to go with a trusted retailer wtf has that got to do with you anyway.......

your continued posturing is again proof that you wish to undermine not just this but any further GB's given your statements, so now that you've started your own GB I suggest you p!ss off out of this and go and be totally transparent in your own thread and btw I will be asking JVC direct whether they wish to sanction your GB.........

[yorac]

arextwo, on 13 February 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

I'm not a retailer Sdl, i'm a consumer like most of the forum members

with a mate with commercial interests.............

[Adelaideltpc]

SDL, on 13 February 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

Are you a retailer?

If not you are going on here say, if you are then this isnt a very professional approach

After looking through his post history, I'm wondering the same.... uhmmmm so unprofessional!
http://www.dtvforum....?showuser=79595

[yorac]

arextwo, on 13 February 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

What do they say about birds of a feather Yorac?? Just sticking up for one of your own eh? Funny how you all band together like a bunch of sheep!

Mate I have no association with Webbsy at all and your best efforts now are to retort with name calling, as stated I will contact JVC tomorrow and advise them of your GB and your actions here which in the end is b ringing their product into disrepute, I will also advise the mods of your actions and they can deal from here........

all you had to do from the beginning if you didn't like the GB here was post an alternate GB without the sniping, you are putting your character on display here for any that might think about your GB and that alone will do more damage than I ever can, suggest you get your foot out of your mouth and head over to your own thread and carry on over there..........

have a nice day.....

[webbsy]

lol stock will be in by the end of the week and everybody who has ordered can CALL my retailer to put the orders through.

Cheers

[MRCRIST]

arextwo, on 13 February 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

"and if Webbsy decides to go ahead with his trusted retailer" listen to yourself mate, stop romanticising this propaganda!!! Oh Webbsy's retailer is so good he has bricks and mortar aswel!! And if he says they're trustworthy then they must be!! Cause he says so. And people will happily pay more cause they're paying for bricks and mortar! Losers

This is starting to get ugly. To be honest  the majority and I will go as far as saying "nearly all" persons on the group buy threads have a good degree of business acumen when it comes to buying gear.
The insinuation you are making is that people on this thread are gullible.
The fact is they are not.
People can make up their own minds and what you are stating undermines their intelligence.
People can see through brash bold statements.
Scrutiny isn't a bad thing but it matters how it is communicated.
To be honest you are coming accross as someone who has just consumed a whole vine of sour grapes.

Edited by Crist, 14 February 2012 - 03:18 PM.

[Richy Rich]

I had a very valuable lesson when I brought my first projector (And only one to date!) back in 2000.  I brought it from Trevor Lees in Melbourne.  When I set the projector up, I noticed that it had a bright blue spot on the left hand corner of the screen.  It was bloody annoying & frustrating & could not be ignored.  Everybody who watched a movie in my theatre commented on it.  I found out that it was a dead pixel.  

So I took the projector to Sony & they weren't interested in helping me.  They said that the dead pixel was not in the Prime Viewing Area & therefore they would not replace the projector.  You could imagine how deflated I felt at the time.  I went & saw Trevor Lees & after a bit of humming & haaing, HE decided to give me a brand new replacement projector.  He didn't have to of course.  He could have said go back to Sony.  He took the faulty projector...god knows what he did with it.  The second projector was great...no dead pixels.

Sorry for the long intro.  But my point is that I would much rather pay a little bit of extra $$$ for a projector, from a reputable retailer who will help me out if things go wrong.  So in my case, the bricks & mortar option in Trevor saved me in the end.  I will most likely buy my next projector from him in the future, because I trust him & his after sales service is proven.

I don't know Webbsy or anyone else on this thread, so I have no bias either way...And another thing, this may be a bit controversial.  I wouldn't be too concerned if the organiser of a GB made just a little bit of dough, for all of the running around & time spent in organising it...The people receiving the projectors are presumably still going to get a very good price, better than the average punter who walks into a retail store.  

Just my 20 cents worth...

[jmone]

Hi - I am interested in pricing on the JVC X30 (wanting the next step up from my LX608a in size without sacrificing any quality).  FYI - I will also post in the other JVC GB thread.
Thanks

[MRCRIST]

Richy Rich, on 16 February 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

I had a very valuable lesson when I brought my first projector (And only one to date!) back in 2000.  I brought it from Trevor Lees in Melbourne.  When I set the projector up, I noticed that it had a bright blue spot on the left hand corner of the screen.  It was bloody annoying & frustrating & could not be ignored.  Everybody who watched a movie in my theatre commented on it.  I found out that it was a dead pixel.  

So I took the projector to Sony & they weren't interested in helping me.  They said that the dead pixel was not in the Prime Viewing Area & therefore they would not replace the projector.  You could imagine how deflated I felt at the time.  I went & saw Trevor Lees & after a bit of humming & haaing, HE decided to give me a brand new replacement projector.  He didn't have to of course.  He could have said go back to Sony.  He took the faulty projector...god knows what he did with it.  The second projector was great...no dead pixels.

Sorry for the long intro.  But my point is that I would much rather pay a little bit of extra $$$ for a projector, from a reputable retailer who will help me out if things go wrong.  So in my case, the bricks & mortar option in Trevor saved me in the end.  I will most likely buy my next projector from him in the future, because I trust him & his after sales service is proven.

I don't know Webbsy or anyone else on this thread, so I have no bias either way...And another thing, this may be a bit controversial.  I wouldn't be too concerned if the organiser of a GB made just a little bit of dough, for all of the running around & time spent in organising it...The people receiving the projectors are presumably still going to get a very good price, better than the average punter who walks into a retail store.  

Just my 20 cents worth...

Agree totally however it comes back to how assertive you desire to be. I personally would not have let Sony of the hook so easily. The retailler has a lot more punch than us anyways so he can tell the sales rep that he is not happy with the PJ and these guys or gals normally will not hesitate to take the faulty one back and replace with new.
It also depends who you get on the other side of the phone line with Sony or any of the company customer service reps. some can be complete  a##holes and others very helpful. Again never take a fob off as the final answer. Threaten them with "not fit for purpose" and they come to the party almost everytime.

[Peter WM]

LOL at this whole thread and the other GBs going pear shaped.  The immaturity on display is breathtaking !!

[Highjinx]

Obviously there must be some benefit to/for the organiser, if not I doubt he or she would be so altruistic as to put in the time and effort. So individulas compete for their GB to be the ONE.......and things decend to this level.

I feel these GB should be only run by the forum owners(who are you guys/gals BTW?) with the benefits going to the forum which will benefit us all.

Product GB requests should be posted on a specific thread. Suppliers/manufactures should contact the forum owners directly if they have a special offer.

[Prior]

Yeah, I dunno HJ.  You are right about "getting something" though.  The GB's I organised for the most part was so I could get even cheaper pricing on the stuff I wanted.  The first Krix GB for example - there was no way I could afford the speakers, and was about to settle on the Whatmough's, but thanks to the GB, the price of the Krix set came in at the same price, so woohoo!  Everyone wins!  The same with the first JVC GB - $10k for a HD750?  Yeah, beyond my budget, and you know what we got those for, so it was awesome!

I would "assume" that most GB's are run by people that are in the same boat, and use it as a vessel to get a cheaper price for themselves, as a GB price is usually at least 5% less than what one unit can be bought for.

The retailers that sell more units definitely get looked after better by the distributors.  It's standard business practice, in ANY field, and those retailers hold more weight when it comes to better pricing (sometimes), and support etc.  It's not so important whether they're a B&M store, but there's always pro's and con's.  I know a couple of retailers that have in-house authority to repair speakers and other equipment under warranty.  Clef Hifi are one of those, and of course A1 audio with the Whatmough gear.

I think GB's are great.  I think people have gone mad on them a bit lately, and there's a huge amount of them, which may dilute their effectiveness.  I think that if a forum member was to run a GB, they should be doing just one at a time.  Multiple GB's by the one person could make people question their motives.

Just my 2c worth and off topic, so I apologise for that Webbsy.

Cheers,

Chris

[Highjinx]

Prior, on 18 February 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

I think GB's are great.  I think people have gone mad on them a bit lately, and there's a huge amount of them, which may dilute their effectiveness.  I think that if a forum member was to run a GB, they should be doing just one at a time.  Multiple GB's by the one person could make people question their motives.

Just my 2c worth and off topic, so I apologise for that Webbsy.

Cheers,

Chris

Fair enough, perhaps the GB requests should go through the forum owners and once they approve an individual to go ahead, no more group buys for that/those items can go ahead from someone else until the current GB is over. The GB thread owner could have the right to edit any negative posts made by any would be competitor/disrupter in the said thread. Of course the forum owners have the last say!

The GB bickering is crazy!!   I'm all for a gerat deal for all and a even greater deal for the organizer.

Yup! I remember all too well your GB effort........I saved $2,700.00 .....thanks Chris!!

[deandob]

Thanks Chris/Prior for your HD750 GB, very well organised and a great saving (saved me the hassle from purchasing O/S).