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[webbsy]

Ok long awaited GB is now open with pricing and availability, they are expected in a small quantitiy at first between the 10-15th feb then the balance end of feb early march.

They come with the emitter and 2 pairs of glasses and a 10m chipped HDMI cable, we have extra glasses and the omnimount brackets to suit as part of the GB.

PM me only if you are a serious buyer.

Also these are 100% Australian Stock.

Please dont pay with paypal when ordering thanks.

Edited by webbsy, 27 January 2012 - 05:14 PM.

[webbsy]

There was an error in pricing all who have PM'ed have been told.

[jubbing]

edit: disregard this post. Mistake.

Edited by jubbing, 27 January 2012 - 10:08 PM.

[barnbj]

Just thought I would let everyone who is considering this group buy in on this information:

I have recently been in conact with the organiser of the group buy 'webbsy' to offer my services providing the JVC projectors as part of the group buy.  I indicated to webbsy that I (my business) would happily provide extremely competitive pricing for the JVC projectors, pricing which would not be avaliable to the general public as the margins were simply too small.  Over a number of pm's back and forth webbsy then asked for my pricing of the JVC projectors in the early afternoon on the 27th of January.  I priovided the pricing shortly after.  Following this I understand that webbsy sent out a message to interested parties of the group buy, telling them that there was a mistake with the initial pricing and it had been slightly reviused.  Webbsy then responded to me by asking if the prices offered were "his buy price, or the price we were willing to sell to the public for".  I responded to webbsy by telling him that the prices offered were strictly for members of the forum who were part of the 'group buy'.  I then questioned webbsy as to if he was looking to add a margin on top of my prices before selling them to the members of the 'group buy'.
Following this I also asked webbsy if the prices I offered were better then what he had previously organised and he told me that the prices I offered were better than what he had organised but he was still happy to proceed with his selected retailer regardless.
I have written this post in order to enable people to make an informed decision when deciding to be a part of the 'group buy' and also to be aware that the organiser of the 'group buy' is clearly looking to gain from this process by fiancial means, at the expense of the forum members.

I am not bothered if my business is selected to provide the projectors for the 'group buy' or not as the margins that I was working on in order to provide the prices offered were extremely small.  I saw this simply as a good opportunity to provide a very special discount for forum members who were looking to upgrade to the latest model projector.

If anyone questions the accuracy of the information provided in this post I am more than happy to email the the 'pm' conversation which happend between the group organiser 'webbsy' and myself.


Thanks,

Brett

[webbsy]

Mate your an idiot and thats why i wouldnt use you, the pricing eroor had nothing to do with you and it was to add extras into the GB the difference in price was nothing and id rather deal with a retailer who has integrity and doesnt try and undercut people organising a GB AND I AM NOT MAKING ANY MONEY ON ANY OF THESE ALL PAYMENT IS GOING STRAIGHT TO THE RETAILER i never said i was adding any money on at all i have the PM's aswell.

the difference in price is neglibible and I use my retailer because they have been in the industry for 30 plus years and if anything went wrong with these they would be taken care of immediatlely further more in regard to extended warranties would you in 3 years if someone bought back a projector that was faulty and was ou of warranty replace it with an equivelent? because my retailer would.

Your an idiot mate and i would appreicate it if you would stay out of further dealing in GB's and the gretaer good of the forum is you trying to steal away the GB and if they cost a little bit more for better service and warranty so be it plus this retailer has a bricks and mortor store with overheads and doesnt run it from his house.

Webbsy.

Edited by webbsy, 29 January 2012 - 02:26 PM.

[webbsy]

can you backup this claim? i know that you are huge fan of bmi but you dont need to lie to me.

Edited by webbsy, 07 February 2012 - 07:04 PM.

[SDL]

My, my, this hasn't started well. I think the best GB's have been transparent to the buyers. That is the person organises and then the buyers deal directly with the supplier of the goods and get the warranty, receipt etc. in their name and have transparency into any pricing. Not sure who is right or wrong in any case, but making accusations about people on a website is probably not the best thing to be doing.

[webbsy]

im trying to lol this is the third GB i have run and no one has complained but obviously this one has ruffled some feathers, the simple fact is one retailer is not happy that another retailer is running this GB and they will say anything to disrupt this. I dont handle any money all payments are put through and sent out by the retailer I AM not adding anything onto the pricing nor will i have anything to do with warranty, and yes the prices are a little bit higher than than the prices that the offending retailer has but thats because they are a backyard business not a bricks and morter store, my retailer has been around for ever in the industry and if any issues arrive they will be dealt with quickly without question.

I dont care if people get the JVC's through this GB im sure the offending person has been PM'ing all the interested parties anyway, so if you just want to get it a couple of dollars cheaper and risk running into problems go ahead and if you want to buy from a respectable business then use the GB i dont care anymore.

But iw would like it if people would refrain from making false accusations about me being shady.

Thanks

P.S for people that actually want to use this GB and that have stock should be in middle of next week.

[blybo]

webbsy, on 29 January 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

...in regard to extended warranties would you in 3 years if someone bought back a projector that was faulty and was ou of warranty replace it with an equivelent? because my retailer would.

Without getting into a debate about the merits of the GB, this statement has me scratching my head. Perhaps you have just worded it badly but why the hell would "your" retailer take a massive hit financially to keep a customer happy? You go broke pretty quickly doing that sort of thing. A manufacturer/distributor isn't going to back him up with a credit or replacement unit if it is clearly outside of any warranty (including statutory) period.

[bbar]

blybo, on 08 February 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

Without getting into a debate about the merits of the GB, this statement has me scratching my head. Perhaps you have just worded it badly but why the hell would "your" retailer take a massive hit financially to keep a customer happy? You go broke pretty quickly doing that sort of thing. A manufacturer/distributor isn't going to back him up with a credit or replacement unit if it is clearly outside of any warranty (including statutory) period.

I had assumed he was referring to purchasing an extended warranty whereby they repair or just replace with an equivalent, not that the vendor was taking on liability outside standard warranty.

[eazymann]

Apparently JVC UK recently revised their pricing , I wonder if Australia will do the same?, I personally think they should.

[blybo]

bbar, on 08 February 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

I had assumed he was referring to purchasing an extended warranty whereby they repair or just replace with an equivalent, not that the vendor was taking on liability outside standard warranty.

Quite possibly. But really that is just honouring the terms of the warranty, if replacement is part of the warranty, not going above and beyond in terms of service.

[webbsy]

Im saying if the product dies in 3 years my retailer would help out not just say its out of warranty bad luck. He will not go broke helping out a customer with the new law that has come in its on the distributor to fix or credit the retailer if somehting were to go wrong with a product after the warrany period but its up to the retailer how far to take it.

Anyway i dont appreciate the slander and false accusations that have been put forward here, i dont care if people want to pay a couple dollars less to get a deal i know i would rather pay a little bit more and we are talking about a couple of dollars to go through an established business with a bricks and mortar store especially with big purchases. Otherwise just import them.

Cheers.

on a side note does anyone know why the forum doesnt email you anymore when you have subscribed?

Edited by webbsy, 08 February 2012 - 11:41 AM.

[SDL]

webbsy, on 08 February 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

Anyway i dont appreciate the slander and false accusations that have been put forward here,

Nor should you have to put up with them. If people have some real evidence that you are screwing over anybody they should do something about it, not just imply things on a forum. Otherwise they should leave such comments off as it is really poor form.

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i dont care if people want to pay a couple dollars less to get a deal i know i would rather pay a little bit more and we are talking about a couple of dollars to go through an established business with a bricks and mortar store especially with big purchases. Otherwise just import them.

And this is the crux of many important buying decisions. You can always get something cheaper if you keep shopping, but is it apples and apples. What are the risks. A thread in the reviews forum highlights this well. Some people seeking the bargain have come unstuck due to buying cheap from a store that appears to be starting to get a bad rap. Is a few dollars worth the risk on items that are $1000's of your hard earned. Each person answers that for themselves I guess, but I rarely rely on price alone as a deciding factor.

[webbsy]

Yeah thanks SDL i have politely asked him to stop, and i have never said that this GB isnt a little bit more expensive than other retailers would offer but thats the cost of running a business in australia and a bricks and mortar store.

[webbsy]

I asked if it was my price because i had to factor in shipping aswell not for personal gain, and it was indeed a coincidence because i just got off the phone with my retailer who told me yhey wanted to include the cables with the GB and when i was reading the prices back to them they were wrong. I understand your loyalty to bmi and i am not condemning peole who run a business from home, i myself run a printing business from home i was simply stating that people who spend millions of dollars to setup bricks and mortar stores have more overheads and thats why it is a little bit more expensive.

And i dont care if its against policy get your facts straight before you slander someone and dont lie and say your mate made phone calls because i called them and they never spoke to anyone about these projectors.

Edited by webbsy, 08 February 2012 - 01:48 PM.

[blybo]

webbsy, on 08 February 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

Im saying if the product dies in 3 years my retailer would help out not just say its out of warranty bad luck. He will not go broke helping out a customer with the new law that has come in its on the distributor to fix or credit the retailer if somehting were to go wrong with a product after the warrany period but its up to the retailer how far to take it.

Anyway i dont appreciate the slander and false accusations that have been put forward here, i dont care if people want to pay a couple dollars less to get a deal i know i would rather pay a little bit more and we are talking about a couple of dollars to go through an established business with a bricks and mortar store especially with big purchases. Otherwise just import them.

Cheers.

on a side note does anyone know why the forum doesnt email you anymore when you have subscribed?

Please don't direct your "slander and false accusations" posts towards me, If in fact you were. I've made no such statements and was only asking for clarification of a post I assume you were pretty hot under the collar when you typed it. And rightly so, but I digress. All I was suggesting was that your retailer can only do as much as the distributor is willing to do without taking a hit themselves, and some people here seem to think that the new warranty laws ALWAYS protect them, they don't believe me. Perhaps your guy may have bigger pull with a distributor through years of business relationship.

I've recently had the Baby Jogger pram distributor tell me to stick where the sun don't shine because they recalled an accessory that allowed us to carry our toddler and baby. We now have to buy a new double pram and sell the perfectly good one despite buying it largely because of the availability of this recalled accessory. It's only 2 years old and cost ~1K with the toddler seat so not a cheapy. Office of fair trade Victoria have told us we don't have a strong enough case for them to help us. So we lose as it's not worth taking to court and Baby Jogger know it.

[webbsy]

lol blybo was not talking about you, and arextwo they are not my retailer and no im not getting anything to run the GB hence why i dont care if people use the GB, i use to work with the owner of the retailer who i am using and i know that they are the most honest people you will ever meet thats why im using them. And you might wanna stop fishing for the retailer by name dropping cos you might find yourself in trouble.

I know its up to the distributor aswell but what im saying is that they dont mind talking a bit of a hit to make sure customers are happy and keep coming back, iths the way every business should be run, not to loose money but if it cost them a thousand or so to keep a customer they will do it. And yes having years of business relationships do help.

Cheers and sorry for the confusion blybo.

Edited by webbsy, 08 February 2012 - 04:59 PM.

[Owen]

Maybe I am missing something but I dont see how it makes much difference which dealer you go through to purchase, as long as its Oz stock from an authorized Oz retailer why should it matter?
Warranty is provided by the importer not the retailer and out of warranty we are on our own other than statutory warranty under Oz law. I really dont believe any retailer will step up and wear out of warranty repair costs.

Rather than pay more up front for no guaranty of better service I would rather pay a lower price and put the money saved towards a reputable third party warranty or just take the small risk of failure on the chin.

That's just me, others may think differently.

[Owen]

You have me confused with someone else mate, this is my first post in this thread so how have I slandered anyone.
I am not a part of this group buy and never will be, nor do I have any association with any supplier or anyone else here. If I where looking to buy I would be looking for a authorized Oz supplier with the best price, after the sale I would be dealing with the distributor not the retailer if there are any problems so I am at a loss as to why retailer A is better/worse than retailer B or retailer C.

Edited by Owen, 08 February 2012 - 08:00 PM.

[SDL]

Owen I think he means the op not you.

[webbsy]

lol this is just crazy people that want to buy from the GB do it if not then dont. I dont care and neither does my retailer they have been following the whole thing ad cant but laugh they stepped up to the plate to offer this GB and theres a drama. I dont even know why people that are not involved in this (not you Owen) dont just stay out of it?

And Owen the point i was trying to make is that yes you will deal with the distributor but using a retailer that has been in the industry for a long time will help if you have any trouble as distributors tend to be a by the book type and the fact that jvc have a new distributor in australia no one knows what they are going to be like.

i havnt had any other trouble like this with the other GB's its just weird lol.

Edited by webbsy, 08 February 2012 - 08:20 PM.

[:)]

not involved with this gb, but i will say the retailer you buy from does have a part to play in any ongoing support and issues within warranty or otherwise. projectors are quite flimsy things, even the top level ones am afraid. I personally would be making sure buying from a retailer with some clout. because some do have more pull than others.

[Owen]

If an importer/distributor treats a customer differentially depending on the retailer they use they dont deserve the distributorship and their reputation and business will suffer.
The internet spreads word of bad service very quickly so any business who treats their customers poorly will not have a business for long.

[:)]

reality is a retailer with a long standing with the distributor that moves a lot of units for them and have done so for many years has a lot more pull with the importer/distributor than a retailer with not much off a standing or one that doesnt create a lot of sales for them. reality also is in the australian space as a customer you are a bit of a lone voice

also do keep in mind regardless of any warranty and who that might be with. the purchase you make is with a retailer and any responsiblity in regard consumer rights is between you and them.

note what consumer protection states, specifically refer page 22 in regards warranties and refunds...

http://www.accc.gov....l/itemId/564996

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If a consumer has a problem with an item, quite often
a retailer will blame the manufacturer and vice versa.
Consumers should not be put into the situation of sorting
out any dispute between retailer and manufacturer.
Consumers are entitled to certain remedies and it
is up to the businesses involved to negotiate who
is responsible for absorbing the cost.

so yeah keep in mind you dont have to actually start getting involved with any situation between retailer and manufacturer !