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[McDigital]

G'day,

MTR has closed, and all the stations noted in that network, are now back to 64kbps

MTR's channel is now a duplicate of SEN and 1377 is playing My MP

Edited by McDigital, 02 March 2012 - 04:41 PM.

[newtaste]

In Sydney noticed that Sky Racing Word, the audio simulcast of the Foxtel channel, has gone. So Sky Sports Radio 1 and 2 are now both at 64kbps. And Sydney now has 48 stations, down from 49.

[SydneyCityTV]

Good to know that it wasn't just my reciever that wouldn't pick up Sky Racing World, even better to know that Sky Sports 2 is now at 64kbps Stereo which is a lot better than 32kbps Mono, despite the fact I'm not a hardcore punter/horse racing fan.

Also interesting to know that Sky Racing World was an audio simulcast of the TV channel on Foxtel.

[GlennP]

Battleship Radio's popped up on DAB+ Ch.9A in Sydney this morning, Stereo at 64kbps. Playing Rihanna songs & promoting her new movie Battleship.

Edited by GlennP, 10 March 2012 - 07:33 AM.

[GlennP]

New channel on DAB+ 9a 202.928MHz in Sydney.
I think it's from Fairfax/2UE, it's named M3, but there is no audio on my receiver, & it's coming up as DAB (not DAB+), it's running at 48Kbps, & the audio type indicator, keeps changing from Single Channel, Joint Stereo, Stereo & Dual Channel.

Anyone with any ideas as to what it may be, & why it's coming up as only DAB?

[GlennP]

Doesn't matter, it's coming up properly now. It's a copy/relay of Triple M Melbourne, also the same in Brisbane apparently. Wonder why we want 2 x Triple M's though, outside of Brisbane Triple M doesn't rate highly.
Looks like they've reduced 2MMM Sydney to 64k down from 96k, & reduced Main Stage to 48k down from 64k, to fit it in.

That makes 6 Southern Cross Austereo stations in Sydney now, if they reduce/can get away with, all their stations running at 48k, they can have 8 stations, flooding/overrunning the Digital radio platform, using their huge company size to crush the opposition & take hold of the market share. That'd give them 8 out of 26 commercial digital stations in Sydney or 31% (if my calculations are right) of the market, making almost 1/3 of Sydney digital commercial radio stations being Austereo owned & controlled.

That also makes the current 18% in the Analogue market (2 station max. ownership per market), pale into insignificance.
I've counted 2KY Sky Sports radio in both those figures (digital & analogue), take them out & its, 20% for analogue (2 out of 10), & 35% for digital (8 out of 23). I haven't counted any community or ABC/SBS stations in either.

[GoForMoe]

Yeah, it's similar in Melbourne - M3 and Main Stage are 48kbps, with Buddah, Radar, Fox and Triple M at 64kbps. Melbourne unlike Sydney never had any 96kbps stations.

[GoForMoe]

Melbourne now,

9A:
Pacific Star
1116 SEN - 64kbps
Aussie - 64kbps
KOOOL - 64kbps
3MP MyMP - 64kbps

DMG
smoothfm 91.5 - 64kbps
Koffee - 64kbps
Nova 100 - 64kbps
NovaNation - 64kbps

Radio Sport
RSN-Racing&Sport - 64kbps

Community
3MBS Fine Music - 64kbps
3RRR Digital - 64kbps
3ZZZ Ethnic - 64kbps
LightDigital - 64kbps (non simulcast)

9B:
Fairfax
3AW - 80kbps
3AW+ - 48kbps
Buckle - 64kbps
Magic - 64kbps

Southern Cross Austereo
Fox - 64kbps
Triple M - 64kbps
Buddah Radio - 64kbps
RADAR New Music - 56kbps
Bird Radio - 56kbps
Stardust Radio - 48kbps

ARN
CW Mix 90's - 48kbps
Edge Digital - 48kbps
Gold Plus - 48kbps
Gold104.3 - 48kbps
Mix 80's - 48kbps
Mix101.1 - 48kbps

Community
3 Kool N Deadly - 64kbps
3CR Digital - 64kbps
IRIS VA Radio - 64kbps (3RPH - not a simulcast)
PBS Digital - 64kbps
SYN youth radio - 64kbps

9C:
ABC
774 ABCMelbourne - 64kbps
ABC Classic FM - 80kbps
ABC Country - 80kbps
ABC Dig Music - 80kbps
ABC Extra- 72kbps
ABC Grandstand - 40kbps
ABC Jazz - 80kbps
ABCNewsRadio - 48kbps
ABCRadioNational - 64kbps
triple j - 80kbps
triplejUnearthed - 72kbps

SBS
SBS Chill - 72kbps
SBS PopAsia - 72kbps
SBS PopAraby - 48kpbs
SBS PopDesi - 48kbps
SBS Radio 1 - 48kbps
SBS Radio 2 - 48kbps
SBS Radio 6 - 48kbps

[GoForMoe]

Update to the ARN stations on 9B:

CW Mix 90's - 32kbps
Edge Digital - 40kbps
Gold Plus - 32kbps
Gold 104.3 - 48kbps
Mix 80's - 32kbps
Mix 90's - 32kbps
Mix 101.1 - 48kbps

Not just one, but four 32kbps music stations on DAB+.

[MLXXX]

Are they in stereo, G4M? I would have thought 32kbs (nominal) marginal for speech, let alone music.

[GoForMoe]

I've uploaded a sample - obviously there's receiver things to consider - but in order the samples are CW Mix 90's, Mix 101.1, Edge Digital, Mix 90's (a different station to the "CW Mix 90's"), Gold Plus and Gold 104.3 (didn't record Mix 80s at any point)

http://www.mediafire...0thm768c7mmbbv6 - 12MB FLAC

[MLXXX]

Thanks, GoForMoe. It was easy to download the flac file.  My quick impressions:

Station Subjective impression
1. CW Mix 90's,   Good
2. Mix 101.1, Poor (wooshy)
3. Edge Digital, Reasonable
4. Mix 90's,   Unpleasant SBR, weak core
5. Gold Plus Average (wooshy)
6. Gold 104.3    Good

The sound quality is surprisingly reasonable. I think this is because of limited stereo. That's a good compromise in my view: reduce the stereo but improve the basic sound.

In relation to 4 above, it's interesting to compare the first 14 seconds of it with the YouTube file  of Eyes Open ("another track sang and written by Taylor Swift for The Hunger Games soundtrack"):


For my ears, the YouTube file has more apparent stereo, and a much more solid and vibrant sound overall. Compression artefacts can be heard, but to a lesser extent.  The YouTube (at whatever bitrate it may be) beats the DAB+ 32kbps (nominal) hands down.

[Slattery]

Tell me guys, has digital radio gone the same way as FTA TV where the quality of the audio has suffered like the bitrate of TV has?

[Digital Penetration]

Slattery, on 03 September 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

Tell me guys, has digital radio gone the same way as FTA TV where the quality of the audio has suffered like the bitrate of TV has?

Yep.

Actually, it started out with rubbish bitrates and then got worse.

Edited by Digital Penetration, 03 September 2012 - 08:28 AM.

[Malich]

The most offensive part of it is that, on the commercial muxes, you get talkback channels hogging a semi-decent 80kbps - but actual music is relegated to 32~64kbps, and so they sound noticeably crap.

[tasbloke]

Hi guys, I'm hopeful that someone in Sydney can give me a current list of all DAB+ stations currently on-air?

[alanh]

www.digitalradioplus.com.au

AlanH

[tasbloke]

Thanks Alan but that site doesn't seem to include any of the community stations?

[GoForMoe]

As I understand it (thanks to BlueDusk's previous post and updates elsewhere)

9A:
2UE News Talk
Buckle

2DAY
Triple M
Buddah Radio
RADAR New Music
Bird Radio
Stardust Radio

Sky Racing World
SkySportsRadio1
SkySportsRadio2

2SM Talk & Sport
ZOO SMOOTH HITS
Gorilla Radio

2MBS Fine Music
2OOO Languages
2RPH Digital
Koori Radio

9B:

2CH EASY 1170
2GB 873
Radio Apna Digital

CLASSICROCK 95.3
Koffee
Nova 969
NovaNation

CW Remix
Mix 90's
Edge Digital
Mix 106.5
Mix 80's
WSFM ClassicHits
iHR2

2MFM Muslim DR
2SER 107.3
FBi Radio
Inspire Digital


9C:
ABC
702 ABC Sydney
ABC Classic FM
ABC Country
ABC Dig Music
ABC Extra
ABC Grandstand
ABC Jazz
ABCNewsRadio
ABCRadioNational
triple j
triplejUnearthed

SBS
SBS Chill
SBS PopAsia
SBS PopAraby
SBS PopDesi
SBS Radio 1
SBS Radio 2
SBS Radio 6

Feel free to correct.

[GlennP]

GoForMoe's list updated & corrected, as listed on air. 56 stations all up (don't think I've missed any?).

9A:
2UE-954
The Buckle

2DAY
Triple M
Buddah Radio
RADAR New Music
Bird Radio
Stardust Radio

Sky Racing World
SkySportsRadio1
SkySportsRadio2

2SM Talk & Sport
ZOO Digital
Gorilla Radio

Fine Music
2OOO Languages
2RPH Digital
Koori Radio

9B:

2CH EASY 1170
2GB 873
Apna Digital

Smooth fm 95.3
Koffee
Nova 969
NovaNation

CW Remix
Mix 90's
Edge Digital
Mix 106.5
Mix 80's
WSFM ClassicHits
iHR2 Festival

2MFM Muslim DR
2SER 107.3
South A
South B
FBi Radio
Inspire Digital


9C:
702 ABC Sydney
ABC Classic FM
ABC Country
ABC Dig Music
ABC Extra (currently ABC Netball)
ABC Grandstand
ABC Jazz
ABCNewsRadio
ABCRadioNational
triple j
triplejUnearthed

SBS Chill
SBS PopAsia
SBS PopAraby
SBS PopDesi
SBS Radio 1
SBS Radio 2
SBS Radio 6

[GoForMoe]

Radio Sport National (Sport 927 as they used to be known) have started a secondary channel in Melbourne - called RSN Carnival it is covering their Spring Racing Carnival coverage in a supplementary way.

[alanh]

tasbloke,
Commercial radio Australia's transmitters have to carry the city wide community stations
http://digital.radius.org.au/ will give you them.

Alanh

[McDigital]

G'day All,

ARN did release a replacement for iHR2 Festival Radio, called TumbleWeed, supposeduly a youth orientated music station

It was on air for 2 days, and then stopped.....word is it'll be back on soon

[newtaste]

South A and B have gone in Sydney. Back to 53 stations.

[McDigital]

G'day newtaste,

What was South A and B? Who owned them? I've never heard of them before (But then again, I havent been to Sydney since digital radio launched)