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[GoForMoe]

With the previous thread now burried and unlikely to be moved into this new forum, I think it may worth making a new thread for listing the stations on digital in your area.

Anyway, here's Melbourne..
9A:
Pacific Star
1116 SEN - 64kbps
Aussie - 64kbps
MTR 1377 - 64kbps
3MP MyMP - 64kbps

DMG
CLASSICROCK 91.5 - 64kbps
Koffee - 64kbps
Nova 100 - 64kbps
NovaNation - 64kbps

Radio Sport
Radio Sport Nat - 64kbps

Community
3MBS Fine Music - 64kbps
3RRR Digital - 64kbps
3ZZZ Ethnic - 64kbps
LightDigital - 64kbps

9B:
Fairfax
3AW - 80kbps
3AW+ - 48kbps
Buckle - 64kbps
Magic - 64kbps

Southern Cross Austereo
Fox - 64kbps
Barry Comedy - 64kbps
Radar New Music - 64kbps
Triple M - 64kbps
Soul - Main Stage - 64kbps

ARN
CW Mix 90's - 48kbps
Edge Digital - 48kbps
Gold Plus - 48kbps
Gold104.3 - 48kbps
Mix 80's - 48kbps
Mix101.1 - 48kbps

Community
3 Kool N Deadly - 64kbps
3CR Digital - 64kbps
IRIS VA Radio - 64kbps (3RPH - not a simulcast)
PBS Digital - 64kbps
SYN youth radio - 64kbps

9C:
ABC
774 ABCMelbourne - 64kbps
ABC Classic FM - 80kbps
ABC Country - 80kbps
ABC Dig Music - 80kbps
ABC Extra- 72kbps
ABC Grandstand - 48kbps
ABC Jazz - 80kbps
ABCNewsRadio - 48kbps
ABCRadioNational - 64kbps
triple j - 80kbps
triplejUnearthed - 64kbps

SBS
SBS Chill - 80kbps
SBS PopAsia - 80kbps
SBS Radio 1 - 48kbps
SBS Radio 2 - 48kbps
SBS Radio 6 - 48kbps

Edited by GoForMoe, 12 October 2011 - 08:35 PM.

[MLXXX]

GoForMoe, that is quite useful. I'll try to do one for Brisbane this weekend unless someone else beats me to the draw.
EDIT: done.

NOTE: The predecessor to this thread is in another part of the forum: DTV Forum Australia - Australia's Leading Digital TV and AV Forum > Miscellaneous > Digital Television and Radio - Off-Topic

That old thread is: Digital Radio Stations....definitive List

Edited by MLXXX, 14 October 2011 - 11:14 PM.

[Digital Penetration]

Canberra DAB+ trial

10B 211.648 MHz

666 ABC Canberra, 48 kbps
ABC Jazz, 56 kbps
ABC Grandstand, 48 kbps
ABCRadioNational, 48 kbps
triplejUnearthed, 56 kbps
ClassicHits Plus, 64 kbps
FEC Test, 64 kbps
Hot Country, 64 kbps
MIX 106.3 FM, 64 kbps
My Canberra, 64 kbps
RADAR RADIO, 64 kbps
SBS Radio 1, 48 kbps
SBS Radio 2, 48 kbps
SBS Chill, 80 kbps
SBS PopAsia, 80 kbps
104.7-HIT MUSIC, 64 kbps
2CA Digital, 64 kbps
2CC Digital, 64 kbps

Sums to 1088 kbps, so there''s still a bit of wriggle room. Or maybe the ABC could up the rate for their stations. Do you have to pay by the kbps for access to the ensemble?

There is a site that takes these observations, and others, for a world view, "DAB Ensembles Worldwide." e.g. http://wohnort.org/d...a.html#Canberra

Edited by Digital Penetration, 14 October 2011 - 08:51 AM.

[GoForMoe]

It would be interesting if someone could co-ordinate a sample of ABC Jazz at 56kbps vs the 80kbps elsewhere, as well as the 96kbps mono MP2 that is on DTV. To my ears the ABC's 80kbps is no where near as nice sounding as Mix/Gold were when they used to be at 80kbps before ARN ruined everything. Likewise with Magic, its old 88kbps still sounded a bit flat compared to ARN's 80kbps stations.

Classic Hits Plus at 64kbps vs 48kbps is another interesting example, though I wonder what quality the raw feed is? Perhaps the Canberra transmissions are recompressions of the original DAB+ output in other cities.

Out of the Melbourne multiplex, the community stations seem to have the crispest sound, I've listened to a bit of Light Digital and Syn, and they are much closer to their FM counterparts than other stations are. DMG's efforts are okay too. But Austereo and ARN both sound terrible.

Edited by GoForMoe, 14 October 2011 - 01:50 PM.

[MLXXX]

Brisbane now:-

9A: 202.928MHz
DMG
Nova1069 – 64kbps
NovaNation – 64kbps
Koffee – 64kbps
Radio Free – 64kbps [DMG / Virgin Mobile]

UNITAB
4TAB ONE – 64kbps
4TAB TWO – 64kbps

ARN
973 Feel Good – 48kbps [ARN/DMG]
4KQ Classic Hits – 48kbps
Edge Digital – 48kbps
4KQ Plus – 48kbps
97.3 90's – 48kbps
97.3 80's – 48kbps

Community
Global – 64kbps [not a simulcast of 4EB FM]
965 Inspire DAB – 64kbps [not a simulcast of 96five FM]
4AAA 989 Country – 64kbps [simulcast of 98.9fm FM]

9B:204.640 MHz
Austereo
B105 – 64kbps
Triple M – 64kbps
Radar New Music – 64kbps
SOUL - M Stage – 64kbps
Barry Comedy – 64kbps

Fairfax
4BC News Talk – 88kbps
4BH - Best Songs – 88kbps
The Buckle – 80kbps

Community
ZedDigital – 64kbps [not a simulcast of 4ZZZ FM]
Switch Digital – 64kbps [simulcast of Switch 1197kHz]
MBS light – 64kbps [mostly not a simulcast of 4MBS FM]

9C:  206.352MHz
ABC
612 ABC Brisbane – 64kbps
ABCRadioNational – 64kbps
ABC Classic FM – 80kbps
ABC Grandstand – 48kbps
triple j – 80kbps
ABCNewsRadio – 48kbps
ABC Dig Music – 80kbps
ABC Jazz – 80kbps
ABC Country – 80kbps
ABC Grandstand 2 – 72kbps
triplejUnearthed – 64kbps

SBS
SBS Radio 1 – 48kbps
SBS Radio 2 – 48kbps
SBS Chill – 80kbps
SBS PopAsia – 80kbps
SBS Radio 6 – 48kbps

NOTES:
1. Frequency, name, bitrate: as displayed on a DAB+ radio.
2. Ownership details: from various sources, accuracy not guaranteed.
3. The simulcast arrangements, shown for community broadcasters, may vary.

Edited by MLXXX, 15 October 2011 - 09:39 PM.

[BlueDusk]

Sydney as at 15/10/11

9A: 202.928MHz
2DAY
2MBS Fine Music
2OOO Languages
2RPH Digital
2SM Talk & Sport
2UE News Talk
Barry Comedy
Koori Radio
Radar New Music
Sky Racing World
SkySportsRadio1
SkySportsRadio2
Soul -Main Stage
Triple M
ZOO SMOOTH HITS

9B:204.640 MHz
2CH EASY 1170
2GB 873
2MFM Muslim DR
2SER 107.3
CLASSICROCK 95.3
CW Mix 90's
Edge Digital
FBi Radio
Inspire Digital
Koffee
Mix 106.5
Mix 80's
Nova 969
NovaNation
The Crack
WSFM ClassicHits
WSFM Plus


9C: 206.352MHz
702 ABC Sydney
ABC Classic FM
ABC Country
ABC Dig Music
ABC Grandstand
ABC Grandstand 2
ABC Jazz
ABCNewsRadio
ABCRadioNational
SBS Chill
SBS PopAsia
SBS Radio 1
SBS Radio 2
SBS Radio 6
triple j
triplejUnearthed

[GoForMoe]

Thanks everyone. Just one request though, could you point out where community stations are not simulcasting their FM/AM program?

[mgaleano]

 GoForMoe, on Oct 14 2011, 02:48 PM, said:

It would be interesting if someone could co-ordinate a sample of ABC Jazz at 56kbps vs the 80kbps elsewhere, as well as the 96kbps mono MP2 that is on DTV. To my ears the ABC's 80kbps is no where near as nice sounding as Mix/Gold were when they used to be at 80kbps before ARN ruined everything. Likewise with Magic, its old 88kbps still sounded a bit flat compared to ARN's 80kbps stations.

Classic Hits Plus at 64kbps vs 48kbps is another interesting example, though I wonder what quality the raw feed is? Perhaps the Canberra transmissions are recompressions of the original DAB+ output in other cities.

Out of the Melbourne multiplex, the community stations seem to have the crispest sound, I've listened to a bit of Light Digital and Syn, and they are much closer to their FM counterparts than other stations are. DMG's efforts are okay too. But Austereo and ARN both sound terrible.

Hows does 2CC sounding is it in stereo? They take Saturday night live? Is that in stereo like in Sydney? I think 2ue sounds great. What about 4BC in brisbane it is now taking saturday night live is that in Stereo? I wish ARN/2SM etc would consider making the bit rate higher up to at least 64 K but make it sound decent like the stereo. understand 128 K is not an "option", though I wish all stations were 128K in full stereo.

[MLXXX]

 GoForMoe, on Oct 14 2011, 01:48 PM, said:

It would be interesting if someone could co-ordinate a sample of ABC Jazz at 56kbps vs the 80kbps elsewhere, as well as the 96kbps mono MP2 that is on DTV.

In Brisbane, ABC Dig Music and ABC Jazz are at 128kbps MP2 mono. They are somewhat bland and muffled sounding for my hearing though I think many people are reasonably happy with 128kbps mono or 256 kbps stereo for  MP2. There's a graph comparing MP2 stereo and  AAC+ stereo perceived quality at the bottom of the webpage http://www.digitalra...mp2_vs_aac .htm

 mgaleano, on Oct 15 2011, 09:20 PM, said:

I wish ARN/2SM etc would consider making the bit rate higher up to at least 64 K but make it sound decent like the stereo. understand 128 K is not an "option", though I wish all stations were 128K in full stereo.

ARN in Brisbane are using 48kbps nominal for each of their 6 streams. It's a horrible, congested sound. They could drop a couple of streams and achieve much better quality.

Edited by MLXXX, 16 October 2011 - 08:59 AM.

[GoForMoe]

 MLXXX, on Oct 15 2011, 11:59 PM, said:

In Brisbane, ABC Dig Music and ABC Jazz are at 128kbps MP2 mono.

My bad, they are 128kbps in Melbourne as well.

[MLXXX]

For some really thin MP2 sound, there's SBS Radio 1 and Radio 2 on DTV (in Brisbane) at 160kbps MP2 stereo.  I don't think I'd ever heard such low bitrate stereo MP2 before.

[shmb]

Hi all,

Does anyone know if the ELF channel is on air again for December??

[GoForMoe]

 shmb, on Dec 1 2011, 10:06 AM, said:

Hi all,

Does anyone know if the ELF channel is on air again for December??

Not yet and probably not at all. Mix 90/80s took the spots that it used to pop up on.

[Digitalworld]

 GoForMoe, on Dec 1 2011, 10:13 AM, said:

Not yet and probably not at all. Mix 90/80s took the spots that it used to pop up on.

Elf radio is up and running. In Melbourne it has taken the Gold Extra spot.

[GoForMoe]

 Digitalworld, on Dec 3 2011, 03:15 PM, said:

Elf radio is up and running. In Melbourne it has taken the Gold Extra spot.

As you know I'm always accurate with my predictions   .

[MLXXX]

Can someone please advise the current bitrate for SAFM [in Adelaide] on DAB+?

Today, at Harvey Norman, Rundle Mall, I heard a radio playing with the telltale artifacts of moderate bitrate DAB+. The display indicated SAFM, but I couldn't get it to show the bitrate.

Edited by MLXXX, 21 December 2011 - 07:26 PM.

[McDigital]

G'day,

I've already contacted Magic 1278 about this one, but if you look at the bitrates for Magic (64kbps) and 3MP (48kbps) You'd think Magic would sound better, but 3MP has the better sound quality

What's going on at Fairfax? Even The Buckle is sounding awlful, while 3AW is sounding pretty good (higher bitrate used though)

Even the Magic 1278 manager reckons on his home device, Magic sounds better

[GoForMoe]

3MP is 64kbps as well. But I'd note that much of it comes down to the audio processing and the quality of the source, Magic might have lower quality transfers of their music because they were on AM and it wouldn't have mattered. The DMG stations compared to the Austereo ones (also all at 64kbps) have a similar quality difference in the end result.

For The Buckle, there might be recompression issues with the source, if they aren't sending it to Melbourne already at the broadcast bitrate.

[Digitalworld]

 GoForMoe, on 27 January 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

3MP is 64kbps as well.

Just checked my radio and 3MP is definitely 48kbps. I then checked all Pacific Star stations and was very surprised since my last check. They are WASTING bitrate on MTR (128kbps). SEN is on 40kbps and so is AUSSIE. Wonder if this has anything to do with the "bosses"  in Sydney (MRN). IMO this is a complete waste. The music stations need to be at least 64kbps. There's no reason at all why all 4 stations shouldn't be on 64kbps. An email to Pacific Star is on the way!

[McDigital]

 GoForMoe, on 27 January 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

3MP is 64kbps as well. But I'd note that much of it comes down to the audio processing and the quality of the source, Magic might have lower quality transfers of their music because they were on AM and it wouldn't have mattered. The DMG stations compared to the Austereo ones (also all at 64kbps) have a similar quality difference in the end result.

For The Buckle, there might be recompression issues with the source, if they aren't sending it to Melbourne already at the broadcast bitrate.

G'day GoForMoe,

Obviously there's respect for your list, where in October you've noted 3MP was on 64kbps, but it seems some of these stations have been playing around a bit. Maybe a new list is needed. 3MP is definately on 48kbps, and MTR on a massive 128kbps, the highest in Melbourne, but that's what 2GB in Sydney are on arent they?

As I said, I've contacted the Magic boss, and he says each playout system for the Buckle is different, so you'll get a different song in each city at any one time, I havent tested it, and they dont stream, so only going by what he's said

[Moasaica]

 McDigital, on 30 January 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

MTR on a massive 128kbps, the highest in Melbourne, but that's what 2GB in Sydney are on arent they?

I just checked my DAB+ receiver & 2GB is transmitting on 96kbps. Sister station 2CH is also transmitting on 96kbps, the highest bitrate of any commercial AM music station.

[GoForMoe]

My apologies - 3MP is indeed 48kbps. MTR does sound awesome at 128kbps, such a shame the content sucks.

[McDigital]

 dtv_campbelltown, on 31 January 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

I just checked my DAB+ receiver & 2GB is transmitting on 96kbps. Sister station 2CH is also transmitting on 96kbps, the highest bitrate of any commercial AM music station.

G'day dtv_campbelltown,

Interesting observation, doesnt make sense then why they'd put MTR in Melbourne up so high, only to reduce the other stations in it's network, SEN definately doesnt sound as good as it used to (but it's better than Magic at the same time)

Out of interest, what bitrate is The Buckle in Brisbane and Perth?

[DX Fan]

 McDigital, on 01 February 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

Out of interest, what bitrate is The Buckle in Brisbane and Perth?

The Buckle is 80 in Brisbane.

[McDigital]

G'day,

Just noticed SEN is now 48kbps, 3MP is now 40kbps, Aussie is 40kbps while MTR is still 128kbps