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[domi]

Hi,

Have also placed this into the Hobart section as I am ignorant where the NBN was installed first.

As a West Aussie I am keen to get an idea of all the charges levied, although we could be eight years off for it.

Monthly rental
Download limits
Any cancellation fees?
Is home phone included or is this an internet service alone?
Average download speed?
Any other nasty surprises from the fine print

Thanks.
dom

[pgdownload]

Its really quite straight forward. Several major ISPs offer plans (the nice thing about broadband is all ISPs are on an equal footing and there's no issues about what "exchange" you are on. Pricing is pretty similar to the current broadband plans (size wise, speed wise they're reliably faster).

Look it up for yourself at their websites

Regards

Peter Gillespie

[Perkele]

In addition to iPrimus there's:
- Internode http://on.net/nbn/
- iiNet http://ii.net/nbn/
- Exetel http://exetel.com.au...ng-tasmania.php

Home phone is generally not included but any VOIP service can be piggy-backed onto the net connection.

These prices are still in a honeymoon-type period because the retail providers are paying a flat fee to NBNco for the initial stages/year(s).  
Real pricing will likely develop in the next year or two when wholesale rates are decided upon, and the providers have to factor in backhaul to every POI sufficient for their userbase (lots of phat links).

Cancellation fees?  Who'd cancel fibre?!   (unless moving and you were under contract for some free hardware or a cheaper installation)

Fine print: no SLA's for now I believe.

[domi]

pgdownload, on Jun 30 2011, 06:23 PM, said:

Its really quite straight forward. Several major ISPs offer plans (the nice thing about broadband is all ISPs are on an equal footing and there's no issues about what "exchange" you are on. Pricing is pretty similar to the current broadband plans (size wise, speed wise they're reliably faster).

Look it up for yourself at their websites

Regards

Peter Gillespie

Thanks for answers. Interesting charges! The problem is the "honeymoon" charges or what is called "low ingoing". Any idea of the cost of then connecting from side of house to telephones, PCs?

What is at the "side of the house"? Bare optical fibre or some sort of an optic/digital converter box? Assuming an incoming digital bitstream, what sort of converters do I need to hook up PCs and analogue telephones?

So many questions, so little time!

dom

[DrP]

domi, on Jul 1 2011, 08:30 AM, said:

Any idea of the cost of then connecting from side of house to telephones, PCs?

Computers - no different to what you have now, with the exception of a different router (although several models of ADSL modem/routers also have ethernet WAN ports these days).

Telephones - if you opt to keep a normal telephone service, would continue to work.  The installer will disconnect your house wiring at the first outlet (ie, the leadin sort of area) and connect it to the NBN terminator.

[pgdownload]

Installation is currently free (roll eyes at all those people who will not opt to have the initial "side of the house" connection done now). The NBN is apparently sticking with an "opt in" approach which makes a certain amount of sense as it targets the rollout to most likely paying customers and not to a lot of homes that will not take up the connection initially (that they can subsequently charge). The Node => SOH  connection will be done by ISPs anyway I believe.

Inside the house the existing network/phone is all the same

Fibre => Side of house => Ethernet cable => new router box inside (mains powered with battery backup) => existing telephone line or existing wired network)

So no converters and the setup cost should be essentially free (or the same nominal $100 upfront as now)

As for pricing, It costs the ISPs about $30 a month wholesale for a standard connection. This isn't going to change much (although as it ramps up wholesale prices may actually drop). I'm not sure if its still being applied but as part of the trial (In Tasmania) ISPs are not being charged any price for NBN access which means they get to pocket the $30 themselves at the moment or lower the initial price a bit. So price won't be leaping up in any major way.

Ultimately its not really up for choice. The NBN will replace the copper network and anyone wanting telecommunications will have to sign up to a package at whatever price is offered (Same as now really). The earlier they do the more they save.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

Edited by pgdownload, 01 July 2011 - 09:03 AM.

[MACCA350]

How pathetic, check out iiNet's NBN plans http://www.iinet.net.au/nbn/

Our Optusnet Cable line is a 20Mbps connection and were on a 500GB (250+250) data per month which costs us $69.95 with no contract

So whats the gain? Nothing as far as I can tell from looking at those iiNet plans, well maybe better upload speed but who gives a rats about that. The NBN was supposed to be way faster, but look how much iiNet want for 100Mbps lines http://www.iinet.net...ibre/plans.html and I don't think they are even on the NBN lines, pretty sure they are on those fibre lines that Telstra put through.

What a flop, this was supposed to be 'affordable fibre to the home' and the NBN was meant to 'put downward pressure on prices'. They'll have to do better than that to get my cash, give me 100Mbps 500GB+ for less than what I'm paying now or forget about it, I'll stick with my 'old tech'

Cheers

[MACCA350]

Lol here's Internodes pricing http://www.google.co...broadband plans

25Mbps 200GB for $110   want something faster than current cable, 100Mbps 200GB for $140   tell em they're dreaming, and they don't offer anything above 200GB

Conroy, take it home and do it again

Cheers

[MACCA350]

Can't see anyone taking these guys up on their offer http://exetel.com.au...ng-tasmania.php for my last month they would have charged me $1000 on their 25Mbps plan and yes I used up my full 500GB dl, well actually 499.5GB but close enough

What a joke

Edited by MACCA350, 01 July 2011 - 01:47 PM.

[DrP]

That exetel is a joke is no surprise when you consider the person in charge.  Isn't it about time for him to start whining about all the leechers (you know, those evil bastards that signup to an exetel plan with the shocking intent of actually using it) harming his network and then proceeding to summarily disconnect users again?

[DrP]

MACCA, NBN is not about speed (although that comes with it), it is not about massive download quotas (although that'll come with it).  NBN is about getting broadband to the people.  There's so many of us that have had the 'free market' fail us horribly - can't get broadband at all due to no ports, distance, crappy telephone lines, you name it.

Who gives a rats arse about better upload speeds?  Hmm.  This is going to be a long list.  Better not post it otherwise I might break the forum.

Edited by DrP, 01 July 2011 - 02:04 PM.

[pgdownload]

MACCA350, on Jul 1 2011, 01:24 PM, said:

They'll have to do better than that to get my cash, give me 100Mbps 500GB+ for less than what I'm paying now or forget about it, I'll stick with my 'old tech'

Optusnet Cablenet is available to some metro homes in Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne. If you're fortunate to live next to one then that's great. As DrP mentioned the NBN is about providing the majority of the population with fast reliable internet. I count myself lucky I can get 8Mbps via ADSL2 and I live in Brunswick, Victoria.  

Its also about the next 100 years not the next 10. In 25 years maybe 100Mbps will be the norm. In 50 years probably 1000 Mbps (which the current rollout is already capable of doing BTW).

Looking at the iinet deals you linked I see guaranteed 25Mbps 1000Gb limit plus unlimited national phone calls for $99. Don't know about you but that seems like a pretty good deal to me (esp. considering that whether I live in Bacus Marsh or Brunswick I can get the same deal)

Regards

Peter Gillespie

[domi]

DrP, on Jul 1 2011, 12:03 PM, said:

MACCA, NBN is not about speed (although that comes with it), it is not about massive download quotas (although that'll come with it).  NBN is about getting broadband to the people.  There's so many of us that have had the 'free market' fail us horribly - can't get broadband at all due to no ports, distance, crappy telephone lines, you name it.

Who gives a rats arse about better upload speeds?  Hmm.  This is going to be a long list.  Better not post it otherwise I might break the forum.

Have to agree and hope the NBN prices are not just "low ingoing", like the gov. did with gas conversions to vehicles and then upped the excise.
I am in a situation, where I have a crappy modem line with dropouts, cannot have wireless via Dodo/Optus, ADSL2 no ports ex Telstra and incompatability with Optus and a possible eight year wait for the NBN inside the Perth metro area.

dom

[MACCA350]

pgdownload, on Jul 1 2011, 02:31 PM, said:

Looking at the iinet deals you linked I see guaranteed 25Mbps 1000Gb limit plus unlimited national phone calls for $99. Don't know about you but that seems like a pretty good deal to me (esp. considering that whether I live in Bacus Marsh or Brunswick I can get the same deal)

Regards

Peter Gillespie

Not bad but where's the speed, that's no faster than current 'old tech' that Labor keeps bagging. Seriously we fronted the $50 billion and that's what they dish out......overpriced and underperforming. Were paying $50 billion for this in our taxes, I would have expected 100Mbit 1TB for under $50 per month.......I want my money back

Cheers

[DrP]

MACCA350, on Jul 1 2011, 04:57 PM, said:

Not bad but where's the speed

Right where its listed.

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that's no faster than current 'old tech' that Labor keeps bagging

Let's see how Optus' cable copes with 50 people in a segment light up their '25' Mbit/sec connection (tip: think slow).

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Seriously we fronted the $50 billion and that's what they dish out

No we didn't.  Not 50, nor 40.  Try doing a bit of research on the funds model.


I wish clueless people would simply STFU.  Its not as if this sort of information is hidden.  Pick a forum and NBN has been discussed to death.  The funding, the speeds, the prices, its all there for anyone who wants to see.

Edited by DrP, 01 July 2011 - 05:33 PM.

[MACCA350]

DrP, on Jul 1 2011, 05:28 PM, said:

Right where its listed.


Let's see how Optus' cable copes with 50 people in a segment light up their '25' Mbit/sec connection (tip: think slow).


No we didn't.  Not 50, nor 40.  Try doing a bit of research on the funds model.


I wish clueless people would simply STFU.  Its not as if this sort of information is hidden.  Pick a forum and NBN has been discussed to death.  The funding, the speeds, the prices, its all there for anyone who wants to see.

No need to be rude mate, cya

Cheers

[GSpot]

MACCA350, on Jul 1 2011, 02:57 PM, said:

Not bad but where's the speed, that's no faster than current 'old tech' that Labor keeps bagging.Cheers

Not singling you out MACCA, but it's important to remember that this current "old tech" is not actually available...unless you live just up the road from an enabled exchange. My broadband has gone from ADSL, to ADSL2 to ADSL2+, and I still get the same maximum speed of around 4 Mb/s...unless it's been raining when the DL speed drops to around 800 Kb/s.

[pgdownload]

MACCA350, on Jul 1 2011, 05:53 PM, said:

No need to be rude mate, cya

It is brusk, but in all fairness so much "debate" on some of the big issues of the day is peddled out with many people just blithely ignorant of facts and wearing it like a badge of honour. More importantly attempts to engage in considered debate are less and less.

The NBN corrects some major past policy shortfalls (i.e Telstra's monopoly), it also provides a certain technological path to massively increased broadband speeds (i.e. not maybe someone will invent a physics defying technology one day), it seeks to connect 97% of the population on a largely equal footing and its costs are roughly analogous to current internet costs. In a nut shell, the potential of the NBN is enormous. Maybe it will only end up offering Australia high speed Tv downloads, but you'd have to have a pretty small mind to think that will really be all that it offers.

Regards

Peter Gillespie