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[dsj88]

DonB, on 14 February 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

Have finished watching BD of Quo Vadis. Now ready to be passed on.

Cheers

Hi

Don't mind if I have this.Will send a PM
Thanks

[X-phile]

Hmm, this kinda sucks

Sony Entertainment Network recently updated the PlayStation 3 firmware and the browser now works like a dream with most sites, however I still can't edit my nondescript profile pic (despite many other forums allowing me to do it, via the use of a Gravatar).

In the meantime, I'm here to offer a Region A copy of "Attack The Block", a rather humdrum alien invasion pic from the UK. As usual, first to register their interest publicly will get to claim it. I'll post it out on Friday

[browny]

ill have a go at that one please xphile.

[brake]

X-phile, on 15 February 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Hmm, this kinda sucks

Sony Entertainment Network recently updated the PlayStation 3 firmware and the browser now works like a dream with most sites, however I still can't edit my nondescript profile pic (despite many other forums allowing me to do it, via the use of a Gravatar).

In the meantime, I'm here to offer a Region A copy of "Attack The Block", a rather humdrum alien invasion pic from the UK. As usual, first to register their interest publicly will get to claim it. I'll post it out on Friday

Hey I wouldn't mind taking this off your hands!

PM'd

EDIT: Too slow... Can I go after you Browny?

Edited by brake, 15 February 2012 - 06:05 PM.

[X-phile]

browny, on 15 February 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

ill have a go at that one please xphile.

Sure Browny! I don't mind who watches it first... it can be passed on as per usual. But Browny, please resend your mailing details via PM before Friday morning, okay? Thanks

[browny]

brake, on 15 February 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

EDIT: Too slow... Can I go after you Browny?

no worries brake, send me your details again please

[goldgxl]

Ready to pass on:

- Hurt Locker;
- Felon; and
- Start Wars Tilogy's (1-3) & (4-6).

[brake]

browny, on 16 February 2012 - 06:56 AM, said:

no worries brake, send me your details again please

Done.

Thanks bud.

[wheelz]

goldgxl, on 16 February 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

Ready to pass on:

- Hurt Locker;
- Felon; and
- Start Wars Tilogy's (1-3) & (4-6).

If you mean star wars i'll grab that please.

Edited by wheelz, 19 February 2012 - 11:38 PM.

[sschen]

Guys, I still got a UK Region B locked version of "Ninja" that I have had for months.  Send me a PM please if interested

[Gregoryc1970]

Guys, I just came upon this thread. Great idea but there are copyright implications. Not being a wowser as the last thing I think studios need is more money in their pockets. However, most studios prohibit copying and lending discs, of which the latter fits the bill. And having experience in these matters, the fines can be quite significant... Enough to cost you your home if the studios refer the matter for investigation. Don't want to rain on anyone's parade but just making it clear that a user name is no protection from being located.

[mr-happy-pants]

Technically, isn't ownership changing hands?
I currently have one, as soon as someone else wants it, they can have it. I don't expect to get it back ie on loan. :-)

No more questions your honour. ;-)

[Ronsta]

I am with you mr-happy-pants.  Maybe just need to get the word 'Borrow' removed from the thread title and we are golden.

The thread has always been about finding a new home for something you don't want, with the intention of never getting it back.  So, definitely no "Lending" going on here.

Overruled.

[brake]

It's illegal to let someone borrow a DVD/Blu-ray? Is that serious?

Either way, I removed it from the OP just to be safe, now it's all about giving!

What are your thoughs on this Gregoryc1970?

[Chopsus]

I thought it was only an issue if there was some form of payment involved?
Does this mean the trade tread is also illegal?

[brake]

Chopsus, on 22 February 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

I thought it was only an issue if there was some form of payment involved?
Does this mean the trade tread is also illegal?

Hmm, yeah good point.

[mr-happy-pants]

G'day Chopsus

The trade thread is also about 'ownership changing hands' so no loaning going on there either.

This really is small beans in the bigger scale of things isn't it?
I am more worried about some of the conduct on DTV, rather than if we have breached a copyright rule over a single Bluray disc.

But; that's just me.

[Chopsus]

Either way removing any reference to loan or borrow in preference to pay-it-forward, gift or donate (even qualified by an agreement to return a title to circulation when no longer required) will be fine.

[vhd611]

Brake (the inventor of this thread) and others

1. I am an Australian legal practitioner (as defined in the Legal Professions Act 2004 as amended 2008). Where you wish to verify please contact me.

2. If you see on the previous page I am part of this thread. I borrowed Hanna and Fast Five, passed Hanna to another and am still retaining Fast Five. When I am ready I will pass Fast Five on.

3. I read the post by Gregory yesterday and was trying to reply but changed my mind and thought I should wait to hear from others. So this is the reason why I did not post until now.

4. Brake, the answer to this issue is yes and no in my own understanding of the current Copyright Act (Cth) 1968 as amended 2005. In my understanding, as long as we truly lend and borrow it between ourselves for private use, we are fine. Even we do not have this thread, my friends and I are borrowing/lending blurays amongst us privately. However, I am not a judge. My statement in this paragraph is not the law. It is only my legal understanding of the issue. I will release my evidence later why I understand as yes and no. The issue of infringement may arise where a borrower uses it in a way of infringing the copyright of the product. For example, the borrower rents it for money or he/she copies it for illegal distribution. There are many other examples of possible infringements not just the example. The second issue is we only have few discs in the pool. In the reality of a legal world, we may have a legal action at hand but we must think about whether it is worth chasing the matter via litigation. Is it worth spending a lot of time and money to chase it? Litigation (or engaging a lawyer in Australia) is very expensive at first.There are many good examples in real life on this matter.

5. Gregory, can you please give me further detail on what you say (ie how you came up with that statement). I wish to have a look. It is easy for brake to close this but, look, it will affect all of us involved in this thread so I need more information before I show you what I have at hand on this matter. And you decide on the balance of probabilities whether or not to continue this thread.

6. Brake, by the way, I was borne in a third world country where it is almost impossible to have a borrowing thread like this. In order for this to survive, as as you brake was concerned in your first post, it requires a great amount of trust amongst us. When I found this, I see that I am very grateful to live in Australia where one can trust another like this. This is the reason why I would like to advocate to maintain this thread. Where there is a possible infringement I will find a way to work around, if it is possible. Closing this thread is very easy. We need to promote the trust.

Edited by vhd611, 22 February 2012 - 09:16 AM.

[brake]

Thanks for the input!

I just can't believe that if you buy something and decide to sell it, it's illegal. I understand their thinking "Well, he's just buying it to copy if then sell it on" which is fair enough, but there are people - like myself - that buy a disc, watch it and sell it if I don't like it and keep it if it's worth keeping, as you do with most any other items.

I'm fairly certain that gifting/donating discs is fine, even just from a logical point of view, even amazon tell you to give away a damaged disc when they send you a replacement.

[Chopsus]

Brake, I am not a lawyer and am very happy we have a few willing to comment, but I think the issue is "ownership". Maintaining ownership but allowing another to borrow the content is where the copyright breach might be considered to occur ....I would argue that the studios would have to prove that such action (breaching the limited license for personal use) did occur though and that would be vary hard to do and really would have to be attempted on a case by case basis which would be prohibitively expensive.

If they had an issue they would more likely issue a "cease and desist" notice regarding the thread first ... at which point close it and start a give-a-way thread in its place.

[vhd611]

1. Dear brake, thanks for your message above.

2. Dear Chopsus, I read your argument above. This is the situation where we do not have a judge to decide what argument is the law. Hence, a person can argue either way in this thread.

3. To all, I would like to have a situation for you to think and argue where interested. Please look at the situation of libraries. A library is not different from this thread in the current factual situation. A library holds many legal copies for borrowing. Where a person argues that borrowing (assuming no illegal activities involved - see my message above) constitutes infringement, does that mean a library in Australia is infringing copyright?

[Chopsus]

I;m pretty sure there must be some precedence somewhere regarding this.

I do know that video libraries used to have a pay a premium on the content they hired.

I do know that Libraries spend a lot of their time on copyright compliance though.

[xc17ed]

I would like to give away a copy of Hana, Blow and Lies & Illusions that I have watched and would no longer like to own.  Please PM me if you would like to be their new owner.

Edited by xc17ed, 23 February 2012 - 09:23 PM.

[xc17ed]

xc17ed, on 23 February 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

I would like to give away a copy of Hana, Blow and Lies & Illusions that I have watched and would no longer like to own.  Please PM me if you would like to be their new owner.

Everything has been given away.  Thanks.