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[Curious]

wilsact, on Apr 22 2011, 05:54 PM, said:

Hmmm I logged in looking forward to some new reviews, but we seem to be off elsewhere at present.

Is this still the review thread?  I guess it was only a matter of time before this headed the same way as most owner/review threads.  

Usually those fun loving 'pot stirring' type responsible, and non owners.  In fact most of the time it's people who haven't even heard the gear in question that like to help this along.

Also just curious why are we concentrating on one comment in one particular setup, and ignoring anything others have said??

Isn't a fair an unbiased view made by looking at the whole picture-

I guess some would like to take pleasure in people's perceived failure with purchases like this, hence they chase any hint of a bad comment.

(Normally the same people that drag out fanboi comments as soon as something good is said).

Did all buyers here jump 'blindly' into this purchase?  I know many (like me) did much research, and many demo'd them in person.



I hope to post a review of my two submersives shortly for anyone still interested;)  For the record so far I am blown away by them, and they have much exceeded my expectations.

Howdy Wilsact,

No negativity intended in my comments, just a good old fashioned true story based on my own experience in relation to a sub set-up that (at first) didn't turn out as expected - similar to Johnny.boy

I have heard the equipment y'all bought and couldn't agree more that the stuff is right up there in the bulletproof category, I can sense the edges of each owner's grin touching the sides of the room whenever they crank those babies up  

If you get a chance, run 'Pan's Labyrinth' at reference and listen out for a sub signal during the train wreck battle scene explosions - it'l scare ya silly and have ya checkin' the structural integrity of the house afterwards  

Cheers,

Curious

[wilsact]

No I liked your story and couldn't agree more that room and individual set ups play a big part!!! Cheers

[minty]

:), on Apr 22 2011, 04:06 PM, said:

OMG curious thats akin to sacrilege around here ! the "big bad sub nazi's" and the "play it loud ok" gang gonna come get ya  

seriously though a good example there and all valid points, something I try re iterate as much as I can though usually to howls of protest and likely on deaf ears (haha). defintely rather than the biggest and loudest, picking something appropriate for best sound quality result I try suggest far more important. and atleast worth considering the options to pick something that suitable rather than just jump blindly in some direction.

but yeah as you say perhaps just a rite of passage...and though I or you might make the suggestion, people am sure make their own minds up one way or the other

Not one positive comment or "congratulations on your purchase" post, just a bunch of back-handed snide remarks in just about every thread going about people buying blindly and following the crowd or the latest fad, and continully banging on about it, and now 70 odd posts into this thread and then one somewhat indifferent post and you decide to chime in with your 1st post attempting to showcase your self proclaimed expertise and haha told you so jealous comments. For some reason it must be hard for you to see people building kick arse Seaton systems like BladeRnR (who btw has pretty much left this forum because of the negativity and jealousy people like you portray) and Macca etc and then people following them doing the same, (but) your old school thinking (and system) are out dated relics long ago surpassed by outside the square thinking. By not saying a single thing in this thread until now really only showcases jealousy. To all Seaton owners.....play it LOUD!!!!

Edited by birdyblitz, 23 April 2011 - 06:56 AM.

[Mike Rutch]

birdyblitz, on Apr 23 2011, 01:03 AM, said:

.......and like i said, just stay the f..k out. To all Seaton owners.....play it LOUD!!!!

Why is it that so many Seaton Submissive owners are so defensive?

Just enjoy your purchase and appreciate that people will have different approaches and philosophies with regards to enjoyment of music and home theatre.
For many, excessive volume isn't what it's all about, and they are entitled to not only have that opinion but also express it.

Last time I checked DTV was an open forum, if you only want to hear positive comments and praise for your purchase then stick to the Seaton Forums.
Call me old fashioned, oh that's right you did.....

birdyblitz, on Apr 23 2011, 01:03 AM, said:

....your old school thinking (and system) are out dated relics long ago surpassed....

.... but I still believe in the concept of free speech rather than obeidient conformism.

I'm not the least bit jealous of your system, and I'm very glad that you are happy with it, that's what it's all about after all.

Just enjoy it, and the forums too, after all, the world would be a very boring place if we all though the same way.

[SimonNo10]

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For many, excessive volume isn't what it's all about, and they are entitled to not only have that opinion but also express it.

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Why is it that so many Seaton Submissive owners are so defensive?

Guys I have read most of the posts here and hear both sides but there's a place for this kind of discussion, just not in a dedicated thread which by design is to discuss a particular product and not discussing the fundementals and science behind bass reproduction etc and wether it's necessary to have big subs in the home environment.

Perhaps for this thread to survive can we just let the Submersive owners post their impressions and if you have a valid question regarding the product, by all means ask away. If you don't agree with "bigger is better" in regards to subs then there's a thread I'm sure on this site for that too. I can just see this thread going completely off track so hope we can just discuss the Seaton Submersive only without derailing (I know that's not your intention just covering that) it with personal opinions on wether it's necessary to actually have a large power sub. Freedom of speech is great but it's smarter (no offence) not to over indulge in the privilege too where it's not appropriate or required or even productive.

Just my opinion. For the record I didn't really require another submersive but the GB buy price was too hard to resist and in the future I may move house and have a bigger room and may not been in the position financially to buy another submersive. Has it been a 100% positive experience having 2 of these, well no as it's proven difficult in my room to get the bass to how I like it, but after much testing and moving them around I've found the best position for them and I'm now very happy now. Effortless, clean tight bass and plenty of headroom.

Apologies if the above offends some but I thought it prudent to mention some points in the hope we can continue to discuss this excellent product that is the SEATON SUBMERSIVE

Just an update there's a thread on the very subject of subs right here:

http://www.dtvforum....p...60&start=60

Enjoy.

Edited by SimonNo10, 23 April 2011 - 11:05 AM.

[:)]

birdyblitz, on Apr 23 2011, 01:03 AM, said:

Not one positive comment or "congratulations on your purchase" post, just a bunch of back-handed snide remarks in just about every thread going about people buying blindly and following the crowd or the latest fad, and continully banging on about it, and now 70 odd posts into this thread and then one somewhat indifferent post and you decide to chime in with your 1st post attempting to showcase your self proclaimed expertise and haha told you so jealous comments. For some reason it must be hard for you to see people building kick arse Seaton systems like BladeRnR (who btw has pretty much left this forum because of the negativity and jealousy people like you portray) and Macca etc and then people following them doing the same, (but) your old school thinking (and system) are out dated relics long ago surpassed by outside the square thinking. By not saying a single thing in this thread until now really only showcases jealousy. To all Seaton owners.....play it LOUD!!!!

wow what a lot of bile in just one post  

perhaps you need to look for some inner peace. because if you can cause yourself so much angst with one persons thoughts and opinion, being on forums is not really going to help you any. And we have found you on more than one occasion now trying to get people to censor themselves just because your not in agreement with their thoughts and opinion. And that is just what forums are all about, people sharing their thoughts and opinions. if you dont like that your probably best option is to just ignore it. theres a few people I ignore. its not worth the angst. theres better stuff to be expending energy on. one of them enjoying this hobby

as to positive and congratulatory posts, if you check blades own review thread, you will find I was actually one of the first few people on this forum to congratulate someone on anything seaton. No I dont go around congratulating everyone about everything   and no it wont  always be in a review thread it might be someplace else, via pm in general chit chat or even off the forum at one the gtgs etc we tend to find our selves at. Not that its really that easy to keep track of what everone has going on in their systems with all the equipment some have coming and going

and not sure really why you think I have something against seaton speakers   not really heard the entire seaton range to comment. For what I have heard if you want me to be shoving them down peoples throats at every instance. sorry no. thats not my style. there seem to be others that see that as their calling in any regard. myself I'll stick to suggesting to people to check out as many options as they can and decide what best suits their needs, tastes requirement. not a believer in one size fits all sorry.

youve mentioned the jealousy word a few times, myself am only too happy to see people pleased with their purchases and getting much joy out of them. If you know me or have met me in person youd be aware of that. and thanks for your opinion re my system and thinking, that it brings me immense joy and suits my needs and requirements as it is now, is all thats important. Not that I'd say it is perfect, like anything it has its plusses and minus, but I am with it at a point of contentment. does that mean there'll never be a seaton item in a system mine in some future incarnation , well I never say never. who knows ?

[:)]

SimonNo10, on Apr 23 2011, 09:48 AM, said:

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Just my opinion. For the record I didn't really require another submersive but the GB buy price was too hard to resist and in the future I may move house and have a bigger room and may not been in the position financially to buy another submersive. Has it been a 100% positive experience having 2 of these, well no as it's proven difficult in my room to get the bass to how I like it, but after much testing and moving them around I've found the best position for them and I'm now very happy now. Effortless, clean tight bass and plenty of headroom.

Apologies if the above offends some but I thought it prudent to mention some points in the hope we can continue to discuss this excellent product that is the SEATON SUBMERSIVE

Just an update there's a thread on the very subject of subs right here:

http://www.dtvforum....p...60&start=60

Enjoy.

good to hear simon, as been some ups and downs for sure with your system so good to hear all come together. so where did you end up placing the subs to end with to get the bass how you like it ?

[BladeRnR]

birdyblitz, on Apr 23 2011, 01:03 AM, said:

Not one positive comment or "congratulations on your purchase" post, just a bunch of back-handed snide remarks in just about every thread going about people buying blindly and following the crowd or the latest fad, and continully banging on about it, and now 70 odd posts into this thread and then one somewhat indifferent post and you decide to chime in with your 1st post attempting to showcase your self proclaimed expertise and haha told you so jealous comments. For some reason it must be hard for you to see people building kick arse Seaton systems like BladeRnR (who btw has pretty much left this forum because of the negativity and jealousy people like you portray) and Macca etc and then people following them doing the same, (but) your old school thinking (and system) are out dated relics long ago surpassed by outside the square thinking. By not saying a single thing in this thread until now really only showcases jealousy. To all Seaton owners.....play it LOUD!!!!

And you thought the detractors had come and gone Birdy

Let them be mate. Alas, the disease that takes the dubious form of tearing somebody else's gear down to make oneself feel better about the world is still alive and well around here.

More importantly have you heard "The Incredibles" and/or "Tron - Legacy" on the Seatons yet? We watched both over the last 2 days. Truly awe-inpiring. Reference BD's all the way. I had Lensman over last night to watch Tron. He said he was stunned all over again. If anything the system is getting better and better the more hours I put on it.

Blade

[BladeRnR]

wilsact, on Apr 22 2011, 05:54 PM, said:

Hmmm I logged in looking forward to some new reviews, but we seem to be off elsewhere at present.

Is this still the review thread?  I guess it was only a matter of time before this headed the same way as most owner/review threads.  

Usually those fun loving 'pot stirring' type responsible, and non owners.  In fact most of the time it's people who haven't even heard the gear in question that like to help this along.

Also just curious why are we concentrating on one comment in one particular setup, and ignoring anything others have said??

Isn't a fair an unbiased view made by looking at the whole picture-

I guess some would like to take pleasure in people's perceived failure with purchases like this, hence they chase any hint of a bad comment.

(Normally the same people that drag out fanboi comments as soon as something good is said).

Did all buyers here jump 'blindly' into this purchase?  I know many (like me) did much research, and many demo'd them in person.

I hope to post a review of my two submersives shortly for anyone still interested;)  For the record so far I am blown away by them, and they have much exceeded my expectations.

I'm glad to read your positive comments Wilsact. I am (And I am sure others) still most interested in legitimate in-depth reviews of the Submersives and indeed any of the Seaton Speakers. I do know you as a considered poster here on DTV Forum and not one to make rash choices. I'm glad the Submersives have worked out for you.

As for the negativity displayed here, it was inevitable and comes in but one colour. Green

Blade

Edited by BladeRnR, 24 April 2011 - 09:15 AM.

[SimonNo10]

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so where did you end up placing the subs to end with to get the bass how you like it ?

Basically where I had the first one. That one is still along the right side of a wall that doesn't go completely along to the back of the room, it stops short and it's an open area to the dining room but it's moved more to the open area to allow the other to be placed along that same wall but closer to the front wall next to the front speaker,which is on a stand so the sub isn't blocking or in the way of the woofers of the front speaker.

At the moment it's a bit crammed but ARC calibration software on the Anthem did an excellent job of refining it and I have 2 days ago changed the orientation of the center speaker to it's upright position (like the fronts and no longer on it's side) now that I don't have a lowline unit as I purchased an equipment rack (Gecko). So it made more room to allow the 2nd Submersive. I originally placed the subs on both sides of the front room as close as I could get to the corners but they sounded terrible (each corner has a front speaker on stand so limited room), so tried changing their position with the woofers facing towards the room etc but it didn't improve things. So after speaking to the guys over at AVS they suggested that I try and place both where only one sounded great before, which of course made sense but required me to disconnect my setup as I had placed the new equipment rack in that spot as I had the Krell amp sitting on the top shelf which would have been too high if I had placed the rack under the 100" screen. So the solution was to remove the Krell and place it on it's own custom shelf ( solid cast iron short speaker stand I had) and seperated it it front he rest of the gear which allowed me to place the rack directly under the screen to the right, allowing room for the 2nd sub.

Another member suggested stacking the subs and place them exactly where the first sub sounded great but I need another person for that to do a quick measure and see if it's any good but the the most part I'm really happy how they sound now. The room does require some bass traps to be sure but that will have to wait as I'm paying for the Oppo BD-95 very shorty .

Edited by SimonNo10, 24 April 2011 - 09:21 AM.

[bradp51]

I demoed my two tonight to someone who immediately said to his wife.

We need a bigger credit card limit and then we are buying some of these (subMs)

I am still playing with mine with position etc, its fun to do trying to get it better.

Am I glad I bought these two cherry beasts..........yes I am.

[MACCA350]

yorac, on Apr 15 2011, 07:42 PM, said:

Got a new test disc for your subs here guys...........

You're not wrong there mate bl@@dy impressive indeed

Cheers

[minty]

BladeRnR, on Apr 23 2011, 11:16 PM, said:

And you thought the detractors had come and gone Birdy

Let them be mate. Alas, the disease that takes the dubious form of tearing somebody else's gear down to make oneself feel better about the world is still alive and well around here.

More importantly have you heard "The Incredibles" and/or "Tron - Legacy" on the Seatons yet? We watched both over the last 2 days. Truly awe-inpiring. Reference BD's all the way. I had Lensman over last night to watch Tron. He said he was stunned all over again. If anything the system is getting better and better the more hours I put on it.

Blade

Hey mate good to see you back.

Yep just watched Tron Legacy tonight and will buy The Incredibles this week. Tron Legacy is reference all right, it almost makes Terminator Salvation sound "tinny"!   Seriously Tron Legacy is 5/5 for both picture & audio, brilliant, cant wait to watch The Incredibles.  And same here re the Seatons seem to be getting better and better with the more i play on them. After watching Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows  last week i commented to my wife that i really cant see how we could get the system looking or sounding much better, she breathed a sigh of relief and said thank christ for that, i let her enjoy the moment without mentioning that maybe 4 Sparks for surrounds would be the only thing left!

Cheers mate.

[buddhamus]

I hate all of you..................................In goes my order on Amazon for Incredibles and Tron Legacy! lol

BTW - I still need to do a review soon too, Ive just been busy playing with my setup too. Did a Audyssey cal when Macca came over a few weeks ago now but i fkd it up by enabing the dynamic volume sliders and compressions. But re ran it again and it is sounding absolutely EPIC!. You guys are definetely right though...the more hours you run through them the better they sound

Edited by buddhamus, 25 April 2011 - 02:20 AM.

[roachy]

I'd love to give a review, but unfortunately still after over three months since the original shipment left USA, I'm still waiting for my CAT 8Cs. We (jamiet and myself) have had repeated promises from Mark that they would be shipping but still nothing has happened. Can't do anything else but wait. On the good news my new Onkyo 5508 pre arrived last week. So I'll just keep waiting!!!!

[minty]

roachy, on Apr 25 2011, 09:58 AM, said:

I'd love to give a review, but unfortunately still after over three months since the original shipment left USA, I'm still waiting for my CAT 8Cs. We (jamiet and myself) have had repeated promises from Mark that they would be shipping but still nothing has happened. Can't do anything else but wait. On the good news my new Onkyo 5508 pre arrived last week. So I'll just keep waiting!!!!

Hey mate that's all you can do (wait). No doubt once they finally arrive you will be blown away. The pics on the Seaton forum look very impressive. Hang in there, the long wait makes it all the more sweet when it finally happens.

[jamiet]

birdyblitz, on Apr 26 2011, 01:28 AM, said:

Hey mate that's all you can do (wait). No doubt once they finally arrive you will be blown away. The pics on the Seaton forum look very impressive. Hang in there, the long wait makes it all the more sweet when it finally happens.

I think we're being bulshitted to constantly. The US orders went out 3 weeks ago. It doesn't take more than 3 weeks to pack and send 6 speakers. I hope many people see the level of service we receive after paying in full over 6 months ago.

[bradp51]

jamiet, on Apr 27 2011, 11:34 AM, said:

I think we're being bulshitted to constantly. The US orders went out 3 weeks ago. It doesn't take more than 3 weeks to pack and send 6 speakers. I hope many people see the level of service we receive after paying in full over 6 months ago.

I got a bit frustrated too and I am sure many others did in the GB for SubM.  But once you get them it will be a distant memory.   I have no knowledge of the Cats, (they would be a great buy now with ex rate)  (would love to hear some one day)  I am sure they are great.  But after watching Tron last night I know I made the right decision in buying them.

I am sure you will get your speakers soon.  Cheers

Edited by bradp51, 27 April 2011 - 12:13 PM.

[yorac]

Got to say guys that once you have taken someone's financial commitment you then have an onus to communicate readily and willingly, at the risk of drawing the ire of some here Mark may well make a damned fine product but his communications skills as noted by so many previously and many many times is poor and I can see where it will eventually cost him sales even if he doesn't........

this forum alone has provided him with a strong financial gain but goodwill and patience only last so long..........

[minty]

Just to get this back on track i just finished watching "The Hurt Locker". I'd seen it twice pre-Seaton days and thought it was an excellent movie to show your sub off. Well through the Submersives it was simply crazy!   Started off with the master volumn at -5  but i had to back it off to -10 after the 1st big explosion at the start as i could feel the hair on my head move as if there was a breeze blowing through my room and i honestly felt sorry for the neighbours, not just next door but the entire street! The Submersives handled the entire movie effortlessly and i cant recommend The Hurt Locker any higher for a perfect LFE demo.

It's taken alot of time to dial them both in correctly and previously they were incredible but after the last fortnight and especially after tonight i really am in awe of how good they are now sounding and feeling. I think by raising the height of the microphone above the height of my seats backrest when running my last Audyssey calibration has done the trick. Both subs are now set at -20 and on program 2, and the Denon set the sub to -4. Previously i would of run at least a dozen calibrations and with the subs sometimes set as low as -36 and on program 1 and still Audyssey would set the Denon anywhere from -8 to -12.

Anyway all awesome now and was it worth the wait, you betcha!?

[jamiet]

I just got an email from Mark for my shipping address and replied straight away. Hopefully this saga will be soon coming to an end.

[roachy]

jamiet, on Apr 28 2011, 07:32 AM, said:

I just got an email from Mark for my shipping address and replied straight away. Hopefully this saga will be soon coming to an end.

Woohoo!!!!
Just also sent my reply to Mark. Can't wait.

[bradp51]

I just had a quick look to see if there was a 12 volt trigger input on the Submersive.  Last night as I switched both off before going to bed, I thought I must connect some of those 12 volt triggers from my amp.

Anyone doing this in a different way that I may have not thought of.  Otherwise will just switch off at wall GPO.

cheers

[DenonCi]

Doesn't the Sub have a ON-Off switch. I try the trigger on my A23 and dedicated not to use.

[MACCA350]

bradp51, on Apr 29 2011, 10:56 AM, said:

I just had a quick look to see if there was a 12 volt trigger input on the Submersive.  Last night as I switched both off before going to bed, I thought I must connect some of those 12 volt triggers from my amp.

Anyone doing this in a different way that I may have not thought of.  Otherwise will just switch off at wall GPO.

cheers

There is no 12v trigger input on the SubM.

I use these http://www.jaycar.co...w.asp?ID=MS6140
Main speakers are set to one channel and the subs are set to another channel.

Musical, on Apr 29 2011, 11:18 AM, said:

Doesn't the Sub have a ON-Off switch. I try the trigger on my A23 and dedicated not to use.

Yes, but I guess sometimes the GPO is easier to access.

Cheers

Edited by MACCA350, 29 April 2011 - 02:00 PM.