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[Jutta]

birdyblitz, on Jan 18 2011, 07:29 PM, said:

Hence why they prefer 16.9 over 2.37:1  

Sounds cool anyway. I hope they do a good job.

[mistered]

Chicken Man, on Jan 18 2011, 06:31 PM, said:

I did mean that, that it was 'made' (created) by an intelligent civilization (out there somewhere) as a self-replicating bio-mechanical weapon against an opposing civilization. The relic spaceship was the result of one of these 'mothers' getting on-board.
C.M

I do like the idea of them being 'made'. It puts a new aspect on the android Ash's desire to protect them.

Did he preserve them out of a feeling of brotherhood with fellow artifical lifeforms, or was Ash acting on orders from the corporation to retrieve their property after some test went wrong?

Was the Nostromo itself the test .. ? And Ash was placed aboard to run the test and observe from the outset? How could he have missed the creature implanted by the face hugger on Kane with all the high-tech body scanning equipment in the med lab - unless deliberate?

And the big question ... is Ripley herself an engineered lifeform - the ultimate weapon being trained in repeated tests against the aliens?!

I'm still collating.  

Edited by mistered, 18 January 2011 - 10:04 PM.

[BladeRnR]

Chicken Man, on Jan 18 2011, 07:31 PM, said:

I did mean that, that it was 'made' (created) by an intelligent civilization (out there somewhere) as a self-replicating bio-mechanical weapon against an opposing civilization. The relic spaceship was the result of one of these 'mothers' getting on-board.

So the plot is ....where did these things come from ?.....and are they good to eat !   

C.M

Good, now we're on the same page. Back to thanking you for your idea then

So we have several possibilities (And they could all be wrong):

1. The Space Jockeys "made" the Aliens as weapons for an undisclosed purpose (Protection/aggression).
2. The Space Jockeys were transporting their creation for whatever purpose and one (some) of them broke free.
3. The Aliens are a naturally occurring race which the Space Jockey's exploit.
4. The Aliens are a naturally occurring race and the Space Jockey picked them up for scientific analysis and they broke free.
5. The Aliens "makers" are not the Space Jockeys. Another, unforeseen race made them. The Space Jockeys might merely be casualties of war...
6. Aliens might be appearing as one of Gordon Ramsey's dishes on "Hell's Kitchen" and he'll explain why they're good to eat with faver beans and a lovely Chianti

I like possibility No #1 / No #2 myself.

Blade

Edited by BladeRnR, 18 January 2011 - 10:22 PM.

[BladeRnR]

mistered, on Jan 18 2011, 10:50 PM, said:

I do like the idea of them being 'made'. It puts a new aspect on the android Ash's desire to protect them.

Did he preserve them out of a feeling of brotherhood with fellow artifical lifeforms, or was Ash acting on orders from the corporation to retrieve their property after some test went wrong?

Was the Nostromo itself the test .. ? And Ash was placed aboard to run the test and observe from the outset? How could he have missed the creature implanted by the face hugger on Kane with all the high-tech body scanning equipment in the med lab - unless deliberate?

And the big question ... is Ripley herself an engineered lifeform - the ultimate weapon being trained in repeated tests against the aliens?!

I'm still collating.  

I do like you're thinking. So Weyald/Yutani knew of the Bio-Mechanical nature of the Aliens and always intended on refining/weaponising it. Ripley in Alien IV was the resultant evolution. Human to look at &  controllable (to a point) although anything but. The ultimate infiltrator (Terminator I know). And what better adversary for Ripley to test her abilities against than the Aliens themselves?

Good one.

Blade

Edited by BladeRnR, 18 January 2011 - 10:26 PM.

[mrmaxwell]

Everyone is forgetting that the last Space Jockey ensured there was a WARNING beacon activated to keep ships away from the planet.

Considering this then either;

1. The Aliens were created by the Space Jockey's as a weapon but the last Jockey grew a conscience and issued the warning beacon when he realised their creation had overpowered them or
2. The Space Jockey's were exploring the planet and became victims to the Aliens, but were able to activate the beacon.

I prefer option 1 because....the Alien eggs are already on the ship when it crash lands, I was always thought the Space Jockey's were transporting the Aliens and were on route when a breakout occurred, causing them to crash on LV426.

[Vieira4]

I always believed that the space jockey had encountered a face hugger before reaching LV426, which layed a "queen" embryo inside him.  He then "exploded from inside" and crashed on LV426, leaving the queen alone to proceed laying the eggs in the hold of the ship awaiting hosts.

[Chicken Man]

Vieira4, on Jan 19 2011, 11:56 AM, said:

I always believed that the space jockey had encountered a face hugger before reaching LV426, which layed a "queen" embryo inside him.  He then "exploded from inside" and crashed on LV426, leaving the queen alone to proceed laying the eggs in the hold of the ship awaiting hosts.

Basically, I think that is what has happened, the 'space jockey' was reclining behind the gun in the process of fighting a battle when the infant alien burst through his chest, killing him instantly. The spaceship later crash-landed on the rocky surface of LV426 with no survivors other than the eggs intact, waiting for a host.

When the eggs were laid one can't ascertain.

Mind you, the 'space jockey' may well have been a intergalactic junk-man picking up curiosities as he traveled the interstellar highways of the universe. Having picked up too many trophies along the way he suddenly found himself the target of space junkies who wanted his loot. Finally it came down to a shoot-out where he got behind his gun and gave those space junkies a blast ...and won.

Tired from the ordeal he fell asleep behind the gun, but unknown to him one of his trophies so aroused by his warring with the space junkies broke out of it's egg and then went in search of its host, him.

There it found him asleep ...and the rest is history.


* When we finally work out this script we should collectively send it to Ridley Scott for its production.
Cheers.

C.M

Edited by Chicken Man, 20 January 2011 - 04:49 PM.

[MarkTecher]

Vieira4, on Jan 19 2011, 10:56 AM, said:

I always believed that the space jockey had encountered a face hugger before reaching LV426, which layed a "queen" embryo inside him.  He then "exploded from inside" and crashed on LV426, leaving the queen alone to proceed laying the eggs in the hold of the ship awaiting hosts.

+1  I like this theory the best so far.

[Ralfi]

Interesting reading.

I didn't even know what "space jokey" was referring to. But I'd always wondered what the story was behind it.

I'm trying to think how many queens there were in the Alien movies. We only saw one right?

[MarkTecher]

Ralfi, on Jan 19 2011, 06:40 PM, said:

Interesting reading.

I didn't even know what "space jokey" was referring to. But I'd always wondered what the story was behind it.

I'm trying to think how many queens there were in the Alien movies. We only saw one right?

First one in seen in ALIENS, 2nd is seen in TE version of ALIEN 3 and the one in AR is the clone from the clone Riply's chest.

[Anden]

MarkTecher, on Jan 19 2011, 07:40 PM, said:

+1  I like this theory the best so far.

AS long as Han shoots first  

[yorac]

Anden, on Jan 19 2011, 07:50 PM, said:

AS long as Han shoots jar jar  

fixed...........

[Anden]

yorac, on Jan 19 2011, 08:24 PM, said:

fixed...........

[SimonNo10]

I like the ideas so far but here's my impression of what I think happened. If you all recall the eggs that were on that ship looked like they had been placed inside a protective/blue light beam section of the ship on purpose which reacted to movement. This was evident when the guy placed his hand across the beam which immited a sound. That tells me that the eggs were placed there for a reason and the beam was a safetly measure in case one of the eggs hatched and alerted the crew or occupant that something had broken the beam. But it was the disruption of this beam plus the guy touching one of the eggs that activated it (remember it gave off a electrical charge when he touched it), and the rest is history.

So with that in mind that tells me that the race was transporting the eggs and sometime before leaving, the ships pilot was exposed and impregnated before taking off on his journey. I've never thought that the pilot was sitting in a gun turrent but a navigation/cockpit and was navigating before realising something was wrong and turned on the warning beacon.

I do like the idea that the aliens were created as a biological weapon and simply reached a level of intelligence that eabled them to survive on their own. Reminds me of Doomsday in the DC comic universe where he was created by the Kyptonians (refer to 3 hardback issues called Doomsday-Hunter/Prey) miniseries explaining his origin and how he was created:

http://en.wikipedia....omsday_(comics)

Edited by SimonNo10, 20 January 2011 - 09:34 AM.

[SDL]

SimonNo10, on Jan 20 2011, 10:21 AM, said:

I like the ideas so far but here's my impression of what I think happened. If you all recall the eggs that were on that ship looked like they had been placed inside a protective/blue light beam section of the ship on purpose which reacted to movement. This was evident when the guy placed his hand across the beam which immited a sound. That tells me that the eggs were placed there for a reason and the beam was a safetly measure in case one of the eggs hatched and alerted the crew or occupant that something had broken the beam. But it was the disruption of this beam plus the guy touching one of the eggs that activated it (remember it gave off a electrical charge when he touched it), and the rest is history.

So with that in mind that tells me that the race was transporting the eggs and sometime before leaving, the ships pilot was exposed and impregnated before taking off on his journey. I've never thought that the pilot was sitting in a gun turrent but a navigation/cockpit and was navigating before realising something was wrong and turned on the warning beacon.

I do like the idea that the aliens were created as a biological weapon and simply reached a level of intelligence that eabled them to survive on their own. Reminds me of Doomsday in the DC comic universe where he was created by the Kyptonians (refer to 3 hardback issues called Doomsday) explaining his origin and how he was created.

I think this fits best.

[MarkTecher]

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I've never thought that the pilot was sitting in a gun turrent but a navigation/cockpit and was navigating before realising something was wrong and turned on the warning beacon.

Has anyone read the novel ALIEN?  I'm sure it is described as a telescope, not a gun that the space jockey is lying in the chair of.

[SimonNo10]

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I'm sure it is described as a telescope, not a gun that the space jockey is lying in the chair of.

Yes I agree. I've always referred to it as the navigator as my brother always called it that. Maybe his read the novel.

[Chicken Man]

If it were not a 'gun' why all the gearing about its base ? It does look like a gun barrel to me.

Secondly, there was an adult alien that was exterminated on that derelict space craft, remember the melted hole through which Kane was lowered ?

Me thinks an adult alien queen was already on-board and laid those eggs prior to a shoot out with it later, the 'space jockey' was then later impregnated while he slept reclined on the gun.

  The plot thickens (an nearly congealed)

C.M

Edited by Chicken Man, 21 January 2011 - 12:00 PM.

[SimonNo10]

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If it were not a 'gun' why all the gearing about its base ? It does look like a gun barrel to me.

It's alien could be anything and we are only comparing it to human technology and we have nothing else to compare it to. Their tech may not look/function like ours.   . I don't recall seeing a opening for the gun to fire through? I can't remember it's been awhile since I watched it.

I don't recall Kane mentioning a melted area just a fuzzy image on the video but I could be wrong as I don't remember the lines as much as the sequel. Also it just looked too organized where the eggs were placed and more like an incubation chamber built to contain and protect the cargo.

I guess it could go both ways. Will be interesting to see how it's explained.

Edited by SimonNo10, 20 January 2011 - 06:51 PM.

[mello yello]

Fascinating reading guys  

I dont know they just dont make Sci Fi like they used to , what I mean is, some of the advanced tech that we used to see slowly creep into society like the hand held communicators in Star Trek which inspired mobile phone tech, the photo scanning scene in Bladerunner. Who gasped at that way back then ? A computer that took a photo and enlarged it!! wow!!...and probably the forerunner  and inspiration for  Swedish penis enlarging technology

manufactured mobile self sufficient killing machines...gees I hope they dont pick up on that one  

but anyhoo, get that script finalised, itll be a blockie  


see if we can get Angelina Jolie in tight leather somewhere in it...failing that Kate Beckinsdale could do...or both  

[yorac]

From now on, we live in a world where man has walked on the moon. And it's not a miracle, we just decided to go..........

Jim Lovell......

[Ralfi]

There are probably clues in the Anthology extras backing up what's been mentioned here.

I'm just too lazy to check....

Has anyone even gotten through half of the extras yet? Too daunting for me..

[BladeRnR]

I just finished reading "Alien" - Alan Dean Foster novelisation to see if I could glean any details from it. Oddly (And it's been many years since I read the Novel) - no mention of the "Space Jockey" is made in the Novel at all when Dallas, Kane & Lambert explore the ship. It goes straight to lowering Kane into the "cave" and the subsequent Facehugger attack. Interestingly though, Dallas does make the observation that the ship's massive open space / airlock suggest it might be a "Cargo Vessel"....  

Wikia link:

Alien - Wikia

And a quote:

"Space Jockeys, known as Mala'kaks or simply Pilots, are a race of sapient, extraterrestrial lifeform from the Alien series of movies and games"

Personally I always thought the apparatus the Space Jockey was "looking through" was a telescope hence why I thought "it" was a pilot/navigator. I remember saying that to my mate when we snuck in to see it (I was 13 at the time I think and sneaking into movies was a high-risk venture unlike today where nobody would give us a second glance). If memory serves there was a "Making of Alien" photo book that was released at the time. I've been hunting for it ever since my mate bought it the day we saw it. We wore that book out. I have a vague recollection a Space Jockey picture and the caption read "The Alien Navigator".  Personally I never considered the Space Jockey / connecting device a gun but you could certainly construe it as such.

Here's the photo book I mentioned. I can't believe Google found it:

Alien Movie Photo Novel

Straight after that I checked Ebay on the off chance and found one for $20:00  

Ebay Alien Photo Book

I know the extras on the BD are very complete but if you can get this book then do so. I remember spending hours looking at it as a kid and hassling my mate to loan it to me. Stoked I found it!

Regards

Blade

Edited by BladeRnR, 21 January 2011 - 12:43 PM.

[BladeRnR]

mello yello II, on Jan 20 2011, 09:50 PM, said:

see if we can get Angelina Jolie in tight leather somewhere in it...failing that Kate Beckinsdale could do...or both  

If either actresses are used lets hope there's no Alien Chestburster scene involving them. It would ruin my fantasies involving those lovely ladies forever and they'd never look the same to me again

Blade

[alpha0ne]

They would not do that to my Kate......................they wouldn't dare

BladeRnR, on Jan 21 2011, 10:33 AM, said:

If either actresses are used lets hope there's no Alien Chestburster scene involving them. It would ruin my fantasies involving those lovely ladies forever and they'd never look the same to me again

Blade