Al, that was a while ago. Cary have released two models since you did the review of the Cinema 11 - the 11a and the 12 - although much remains common, including the Cirrus chip, I agree with Lonewolf - the sound is excellent - good enough for me to put up with the 2s delay when selecting songs. I do not have any of the other issues that people have flagged over time. I am going to upgrade my 11a when I move into my new house and HT shortly.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:24 PM
AFB, on 15 November 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:
Al, that was a while ago. Cary have released two models since you did the review of the Cinema 11 - the 11a and the 12 - although much remains common, including the Cirrus chip, I agree with Lonewolf - the sound is excellent - good enough for me to put up with the 2s delay when selecting songs. I do not have any of the other issues that people have flagged over time. I am going to upgrade my 11a when I move into my new house and HT shortly.
My evaluation was on the c11 which is what lonewolf has said he is selling here. I thought might be relevant to anyone considering. there are also owners threads on Avs on the 11, 11a and 12 all worth a read for potential buyers
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:30 PM
Chopsus, on 15 November 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:
Yes, more telling of the path I have taken and my obsession with buttons and vision before audio performance.
I know what you mean, I do miss my first AVR, it was a Onkyo 919, soo many buttons and features to mess around with. I had been contemplating going back to a onkyo processor or one of the older Integras (cant afford the latest ones), But a few people told me that the step down in sound was quite dramatic but they are good for HDMI and all the connections and features. I am scared if i did go down that line, i may regret it if the sound quality was noticeably inferior, I can handle a bit of loss but too much and i might just want to go back. So if i do upgrade, i will probably have to go sideways at the very least and perhaps find a unit which has close to the same sound but a lot more features and things to mess about with.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:33 PM
:), on 15 November 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:
My evaluation was on the c11 which is what lonewolf has said he is selling here. I thought might be relevant to anyone considering. there are also owners threads on Avs on the 11, 11a and 12 all worth a read for potential buyers
My Cinema 11a has been upgraded to the latest firmware and been upgraded to HDMI v1.4, that seems to work beautifully except for some signal locking type issues where it takes a couple of seconds sometimes. The Cinema 11 has the latest firmware for it but there was no HDMI v1.4 upgrades available for it. Since its in the box and i never opened it, I cant tell you how it compares to the 11a.
Then again from what i hear from people, even the mainstream brands have had HDMI issues which surprised me as i thought yamaha, onkyo and denon were far passed those kinds of niggling issues.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 05:23 PM
Chopsus, on 15 November 2012 - 07:04 AM, said:
Yes, but a new Integra would only be a little bit more.
I suspect he would be keen to sell .Talking about vision performance ; Do you really need 4k upscaling mate the oppo can do that ..
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 07:53 PM
cwt - I like your thinking, the Cinema 11 and an Audyssey SEQ would make a fantastic double! I reckon that works for Lonewolf and myself too.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:51 PM
cwt, on 15 November 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:
Ide have no clue there Chops ; 800 for the audyssey ; and I havent seen a price for lonewolfs cinema 11 in this thread yet I suspect he would be keen to sell .
Talking about vision performance ; Do you really need 4k upscaling mate the oppo can do that ..
I suspect he would be keen to sell .Talking about vision performance ; Do you really need 4k upscaling mate the oppo can do that ..
From Post 1
Item: Cary Cinema 11a Surround Processor
Location: Sydney
Item Condition:Excellent 9/10 (Still with Retailer)
Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps
Price: $3500?
= $4300 with the Audyssey
I'm pretty sure I could wrangle an Integra 80.3 for less and have a 3 year warranty. .... the 2 HDMI ports on the Cary are annoying, but I guess with the Audyssey it actually leaves one spare! LOL!
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:23 AM
Chopsus, on 15 November 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:
From Post 1
Item: Cary Cinema 11a Surround Processor
Location: Sydney
Item Condition:Excellent 9/10 (Still with Retailer)
Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps
Price: $3500?
= $4300 with the Audyssey
I'm pretty sure I could wrangle an Integra 80.3 for less and have a 3 year warranty. .... the 2 HDMI ports on the Cary are annoying, but I guess with the Audyssey it actually leaves one spare! LOL!
Item: Cary Cinema 11a Surround Processor
Location: Sydney
Item Condition:Excellent 9/10 (Still with Retailer)
Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps
Price: $3500?
= $4300 with the Audyssey
I'm pretty sure I could wrangle an Integra 80.3 for less and have a 3 year warranty. .... the 2 HDMI ports on the Cary are annoying, but I guess with the Audyssey it actually leaves one spare! LOL!
As I traded up from a 11 to an 11a myself wont speculate how much lonewolf wants for the 11- thats his call but it looks like a bargain if you use analog with lucmors SEQ..
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:35 AM
Yep, Nup, that price comes of page one and I have a fully hdmi setup ATM so the 11 would not suit at all.
And according to page one:
Extra Info: It is still with Retailer in store boxed up, been used for less than 20 hours as a demo model i believe. I was told condition is pretty much New and has full warranty on it. I havent even gotten to use it yet.
So I don't know what is in his current system.
And according to page one:
Extra Info: It is still with Retailer in store boxed up, been used for less than 20 hours as a demo model i believe. I was told condition is pretty much New and has full warranty on it. I havent even gotten to use it yet.
So I don't know what is in his current system.
Edited by Chopsus, 16 November 2012 - 07:38 AM.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:11 AM
I have both Carys at home but i never got around to opening up the Cary Cinema 11, so its still in its box. I was going to use it in a second system but i never got around to it. Plus i have soo many processors and video processors, power amps, subs, speakers etc, i figured whatever i dont sell i can easily put into a 2nd and third system if needs be.
I am currently using the Cary Cinema 11a and will not be selling it / parting with it unless i can come across another that is better.. I dont think there are many that fit that profile, The other option is i may have to take a hit sound quality wise and take a step down but might clear up some space and make things easier in my system for others to use. As at the moment in my primary system I have 3 power amps, a video processor, Audyssey unit, 2 behringer splitters for my 12 subs, Cary Cinema, SVS AS-EQ1 for the subs. And thats before the sources. If I went back to a Onkyo AVR, hahaha, that cuts out the amps, VP, audyssey, SVS and Processor. My rack will look so empty, of course the performance will drop massively but i suppose a Processor that has most of those features and just a 7 channel power amp will be alright. I just dont know if i can go that far backwards in sound Quality though.
I am currently using the Cary Cinema 11a and will not be selling it / parting with it unless i can come across another that is better.. I dont think there are many that fit that profile, The other option is i may have to take a hit sound quality wise and take a step down but might clear up some space and make things easier in my system for others to use. As at the moment in my primary system I have 3 power amps, a video processor, Audyssey unit, 2 behringer splitters for my 12 subs, Cary Cinema, SVS AS-EQ1 for the subs. And thats before the sources. If I went back to a Onkyo AVR, hahaha, that cuts out the amps, VP, audyssey, SVS and Processor. My rack will look so empty, of course the performance will drop massively but i suppose a Processor that has most of those features and just a 7 channel power amp will be alright. I just dont know if i can go that far backwards in sound Quality though.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:25 AM
Btw I notice there seems to be some hate for the Carys here, I had heard about that and experienced some of it when i was initially considering purchasing the Carys (where people were trying to discourage me via the threads and even PMS from not buying them) but i notice it is still going on. I know talking to a couple of people that they had some bad experiences with other forum members when it came to Cary discussions etc.
I think Cary could have done some things differently, especially with bringing out firmware quicker or having HD codecs etc sooner but i think they were coming from a 2ch background and were far more concerned initially with getting SQ right before the featureset. Which some prefer but others just purely prefer featureset or convenience of all in one and thats why Onkyos, Denons, Yamahas keep bringing out new models every 6 months to a year.
But i doubt i will ever believe an AVR provides similar or better sound than the Cary at least not from my experience. I have had Onkyos, Yamahas, Denons and Marantz AVRs in my system as well as Rotel and NAD processors. Only the NAD was even on the same page, the others were left far far behind in terms of sound quality (am talking about Home Theatre here). In terms of features, I thought the Onkyo was the best, but of course it depends on the models of each AVR you have.
I think Cary could have done some things differently, especially with bringing out firmware quicker or having HD codecs etc sooner but i think they were coming from a 2ch background and were far more concerned initially with getting SQ right before the featureset. Which some prefer but others just purely prefer featureset or convenience of all in one and thats why Onkyos, Denons, Yamahas keep bringing out new models every 6 months to a year.
But i doubt i will ever believe an AVR provides similar or better sound than the Cary at least not from my experience. I have had Onkyos, Yamahas, Denons and Marantz AVRs in my system as well as Rotel and NAD processors. Only the NAD was even on the same page, the others were left far far behind in terms of sound quality (am talking about Home Theatre here). In terms of features, I thought the Onkyo was the best, but of course it depends on the models of each AVR you have.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 03:31 PM
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Yeah mate nothings changed from when lonewolf posted this ;
Had a thought that a brand new oppo 105s balanced outs feeding the carys xlr analog 2ch and multi analog inputs with the SEQ would avoid all that crappy hdmi jitter . Not to mention the oppo's hdmi inputs make the 11 a virtual 11a when you consider the whole system If I didnt have a 95 and waiting for another component Ide have it 
Chopsus, on 16 November 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:
Yep, Nup, that price comes of page one and I have a fully hdmi setup ATM so the 11 would not suit at all.
And according to page one:
Extra Info: It is still with Retailer in store boxed up, been used for less than 20 hours as a demo model i believe. I was told condition is pretty much New and has full warranty on it. I havent even gotten to use it yet.
So I don't know what is in his current system.
And according to page one:
Extra Info: It is still with Retailer in store boxed up, been used for less than 20 hours as a demo model i believe. I was told condition is pretty much New and has full warranty on it. I havent even gotten to use it yet.
So I don't know what is in his current system.
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The Cary Cinema 11a is being used by me now and so not being offered for sale. I havent really decided if i am going to use the Cary Cinema 11 yet in a 2nd system or not, its still in the box not being used at the moment
Had a thought that a brand new oppo 105s balanced outs feeding the carys xlr analog 2ch and multi analog inputs with the SEQ would avoid all that crappy hdmi jitter . Not to mention the oppo's hdmi inputs make the 11 a virtual 11a when you consider the whole system
If I didnt have a 95 and waiting for another component Ide have it
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 03:46 PM
Read post 1 at the bottom - things musta changed
lonewolf, on 05 November 2010 - 02:03 PM, said:
Item: Rotel RSP 1066 7.1 pre/pro in silver
Location: Sydney
Item Condition:Excellent 9/10
Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps
Price: $500?
Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, DD
Extra Info:
Audio Section
Surround modes: Dolby Pro Logic II, Dolby 3-, 5-, & 7-channel stereo, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX, DTS, DTS-ES Matrix, DTS-ES Discrete, DTS Neo:6, Music DSP
Analog inputs: 8 RCA line-level (2-channel), RCA (7-channel)
Digital inputs: 3 coaxial, 2 TosLink
Analog outputs: RCA L/R Front, Center 1,Center 2, L/R Rear, Center Back 1, Center Back 2, Sub 1, Sub 2, Zone 2 L/R, Tape, Video 1,2,3
Digital outputs: 1 coaxial, 1 TosLink
Other connectors: COM I/O, Zone 2 remote, External remote, Dual12V trigger, Dual IR out
Frequency response: 10Hz-95kHz, ±1dB, line level; 10Hz-20kHz, ±0.3dB, digital
Signal/noise: 95dB (stereo analog), 92dB (Dolby Digital, DTS), both IHF A-weighted
THD: <0.05%
IM distortion: <0.05%
Input sensitivity/impedance: 200mV/47k?, line level
Video Section
Inputs: 5 composite, 5 S-video, 2 component
Outputs: 4 composite, 4 S-video, 1 component
Frequency response: 3Hz-10MHz, ±3dB
Signal/noise: 45dB
Dimensions: 17.01" x 4.76" x 13.43" (WxHxD)
Weight: 16.7 lbs
Reviews: http://www.ultimatea...reamp-processor
http://www.audiorevi...30_1591crx.aspx
http://www.technofil...l_rsp_1066.html
Item: NAD M15 Surround Sound Preamplifier (silver)
Location: Sydney
Item Condition:Excellent 9/10
Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps
Price: $2500
Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, DD
Extra Info: One look at the Masters Series M15 pre/pro and you'll know this is no ordinary NAD offering. Innovative circuit design, proprietary operating and decoding software and premium quality parts all work to exceed our greatest expectation and more importantly, your greatest expectation.
Indeed, from 5.1 to 7.1, Dolby Digital to DTS, the M15 is capable of anything required in music or cinema-realms and offers intuitive operation so that it is as pleasurable to use as it is to listen to.
The M15 will serve well as the "brains" of your surround sound system and work to push the boundaries of your listening room to infinite dimensions by using the latest DSP's combined with proprietary solid-state technologies and unmatched Build Artistry. The M15 offers the latest in digital video connections with two HDMI inputs making it a practical choice for high definition viewing. And to make the M15 easy to setup and operate, we designed the Masters Series HTRM (Home Theater Remote-Masters Series). Not only will the HTRM learn the command for any component, it is easy to use and navigate.
M15 Surround Sound Preamplifier features
THX Ultra 2 Certified
6 AV Inputs with Composite and S-Video
3 HD Component Video Inputs
4 Coax and 4 Optical Digital inputs
4 Analogue Stereo Inputs
Tape Monitor
7.1 Direct Analogue Input
Dolby Digital EX, ProLogic IIx (movies and music), DTS ES, DTS 96/24, Neo:6, THX EX, THX Cinema, THX Music, EARS, Enhanced Stereo, Stereo Bypass
Video upconversion; Composite and S-Video inputs available on Component Video output
HDMI connection - 2 inputs, 1 output
OSD available on Component Video output
OSD chip is completely bypassed when not selected
"Direct" Component Video output without OSD
Lip sync compensation - (option to 100mS)
Flexible Bass Management including individual crossover frequencies for Front, Centre, and Surround speakers
Digital domain tone controls with centre channel "dialogue" control
RS-232 interface for advanced custom installations
12V Triggers for advanced control options, 1 In and 3 Out
3.5mm IR Control jacks, 1 In and 2 Out
Second zone AV output with zone OSD available
Four dual differential 24 bit, 192 kHz DACs
Dynamic Headroom Scaling for optimum resolution and S/N ratio for all program and decoding combinations
Linear Power Supply with custom Toroidal transformer with proprietary shielding to eliminate EMF leakage
Switched AC Outlet
Detachable AC cord
8 Device HTR M Illuminated Learning Remote control with LCD display
ZR 2 Second Zone Remote
Reviews: http://nadelectronic...heading-reviews
http://www.audiorevi...85_1591crx.aspx
Item:Cary Cinema 11 Surround Processor
Location: Sydney
Item Condition:Excellent 9/10 (Still with retailer)
Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps
Price: $?
Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, DD
Extra Info: It is still with Retailer in store boxed up, I was told it has been used for 20-40 hours as a demo model i believe. Condition is still excellent and it will come with some warranty on it. I havent personally used it yet.
More than just an audio control center, the Cinema 11 features the latest version of CES 7.1 decoding, which derives 7.1 channel output from stereo, 5.1 and 6.1 channel sources. Unlike
other decoders, CES 7.1 is compatible with all input sources and requires no special encoding.
Because the improvement it provides is clearly audible, CES 7.1 decoding is widely regarded as
the finest available.
In addition to CES 7.1, the Cinema 11 is also equipped with Dolby Digital Surround EX, Dolby Pro
Logic II, Dolby Pro Logic IIx, dts 96/24, dts NEO:6, and dts-ES decoding.
With 32-bit audio digital signal processing (DSP) engines, the Cinema 11 offers unparalleled
processing power. These DSP engines perform custom Cary Audio processing such as auto sound
setup system, CES 7.1 decoding, bass enhancement, dialog enhancement, bass management,
high-precision digital crossover, and room EQ. This processing is available at sample rates up to
192 kHz, with 24-bit resolution to retain top performance from all input sources and listening
modes. A DSP engine is dedicated to decoding multi-channel compressed audio sources.
10 channels 24-bit/96 kHz A/D converters can be used to convert stereo analog audio input and
7.1 analog audio input signals to digital signals, allowing the Cinema 11 to provide the benefits of
precise digital signal processing without sacrificing signal integrity. Alternatively, stereo analog
XLR or 7.1 bypass signals and 7.1 analog signals can bypass A/D conversion and internal
processing to remain in the analog domain straight to the output connectors.
The Cinema 11 offers:
• 8 inputs; one balanced and seven single ended with RCA connectors; including S/PDIF
coaxial, S/PDIF optical, and analog pairs
• 7.1 channel analog audio input connections
• Analog bypass option for stereo and 7.1 channel analog audio input connectors
• Auto switching between digital and analog audio input connectors
• 24-bit/192 kHz D/A converters for all Main Zone audio channels
• Automatic and manual calibration of speaker distances and output levels
• 32-bit DSP engines
• CES 7.1 decoding
• Dolby Digital Surround EX, Dolby Pro Logic IIx and Dolby Pro Logic II decoding
• dts 96/24, dts-NEO:6 and dts-EX (discrete and matrix) decoding
• RS-232 connector for flash memory software upgrades and configuration tool downloads
• Optical digital audio output connector for Zone 2 (Toslink)
• 3 12 volt output connections with 1/8” mini plug connectors
• 2 IR input connections
• XLR microphone input connections
• 7.1 Balanced audio output connectors for Main Zone
http://caryaudio.com...ls/Cinema11.pdf
Reviews: http://www.hometheat...new-preamp.html
http://www.cepro.com...ble_to_pass_up/
Item: Cary Cinema 11a Surround Processor
Location: Sydney
Item Condition:Excellent 9/10 (Still with Retailer)
Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps
Price: $3500?
Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, DD
Extra Info: It is still with Retailer in store boxed up, been used for less than 20 hours as a demo model i believe. I was told condition is pretty much New and has full warranty on it. I havent even gotten to use it yet.
It decodes all the latest high definition codecs (Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA) and is Cary Audio’s flagship HT processor. This processor does no video processing, allowing all it’s smarts to concentrate solely on audio.
It outputs 7.1 channels and has both RCA & XLR inputs and outputs. Built in tuner, dual zone (with second remote). It can output RCA & XLR outputs simultaneously, which is handy for dual subs.
Specifications:
Decoding Ability
Dolby True HD
Dolby Digital Plus
DTS-HD Master Audio
DTS-HD High Resolution Audio
Dolby Digital
Dolby Pro Logic IIx for movies and music
Dolby Digital EX
DTS ES 6.1 Discrete
DTS NEO 96/24 for movies and music
Matrix Surround for 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1
Inputs
7 RCA analog stereo input pairs
1 XLR analog stereo input pair
1 XLR digital input
7 RCA coaxial digital inputs
7 TOSLINK digital inputs
2 HDMI inputs
Multi channel Analog Input
7.1 analog bypass input set for multi-channel playback
Outputs Main Front pair, Center Front, Surround Back pair or Center Surround, Surround pair, Subwoofer, can have 5, 6 or 7 speakers & subwoofer, RCA and XLR connections. 1 HDMI output. 2nd zone output: 1 digital output, 1 RCA analog stereo pair
Frequency Response 2 Hz - 96 kHz
Amplitude Linearity +/- 0.2 dB (20 Hz - 20 kHz)
Phase Linearity 3 degrees (20 Hz - 20 kHz)
Dynamic Range 115 dB (1 kHz)
Signal-to-Noise Ratio 115 dB (1 kHz)
Channel Separation >100 (1 kHz)
Total Harmonic Distortion 0.008% (1 kHz)
Rated Output Level 1.0 V RMS (8.0 volts maximum)
Power Input 120 or 240 Volts AC, 50-60 Hz
Power Consumption 25 watts
Weight 25 lbs
Dimensions 17.7" W x 4.5" H x 16.5" D
Detailed Features Auto setup with a microphone, RS-232 port on back panel for custom install system control, IR repeater input and output, 3 remote DC triggers, Bass and Treble controls with bass management circuit, Variable crossover from 40-140 Hz, in 10 Hz steps, dedicated remote control handset, second zone audio analog and digital outputs.
OEM link :- http://www.caryaudio.../cinema11a.html
Reviews: http://hometheaterre...essor-reviewed/
Location: Sydney
Item Condition:Excellent 9/10
Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps
Price: $500?
Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, DD
Extra Info:
Audio Section
Surround modes: Dolby Pro Logic II, Dolby 3-, 5-, & 7-channel stereo, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX, DTS, DTS-ES Matrix, DTS-ES Discrete, DTS Neo:6, Music DSP
Analog inputs: 8 RCA line-level (2-channel), RCA (7-channel)
Digital inputs: 3 coaxial, 2 TosLink
Analog outputs: RCA L/R Front, Center 1,Center 2, L/R Rear, Center Back 1, Center Back 2, Sub 1, Sub 2, Zone 2 L/R, Tape, Video 1,2,3
Digital outputs: 1 coaxial, 1 TosLink
Other connectors: COM I/O, Zone 2 remote, External remote, Dual12V trigger, Dual IR out
Frequency response: 10Hz-95kHz, ±1dB, line level; 10Hz-20kHz, ±0.3dB, digital
Signal/noise: 95dB (stereo analog), 92dB (Dolby Digital, DTS), both IHF A-weighted
THD: <0.05%
IM distortion: <0.05%
Input sensitivity/impedance: 200mV/47k?, line level
Video Section
Inputs: 5 composite, 5 S-video, 2 component
Outputs: 4 composite, 4 S-video, 1 component
Frequency response: 3Hz-10MHz, ±3dB
Signal/noise: 45dB
Dimensions: 17.01" x 4.76" x 13.43" (WxHxD)
Weight: 16.7 lbs
Reviews: http://www.ultimatea...reamp-processor
http://www.audiorevi...30_1591crx.aspx
http://www.technofil...l_rsp_1066.html
Item: NAD M15 Surround Sound Preamplifier (silver)
Location: Sydney
Item Condition:Excellent 9/10
Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps
Price: $2500
Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, DD
Extra Info: One look at the Masters Series M15 pre/pro and you'll know this is no ordinary NAD offering. Innovative circuit design, proprietary operating and decoding software and premium quality parts all work to exceed our greatest expectation and more importantly, your greatest expectation.
Indeed, from 5.1 to 7.1, Dolby Digital to DTS, the M15 is capable of anything required in music or cinema-realms and offers intuitive operation so that it is as pleasurable to use as it is to listen to.
The M15 will serve well as the "brains" of your surround sound system and work to push the boundaries of your listening room to infinite dimensions by using the latest DSP's combined with proprietary solid-state technologies and unmatched Build Artistry. The M15 offers the latest in digital video connections with two HDMI inputs making it a practical choice for high definition viewing. And to make the M15 easy to setup and operate, we designed the Masters Series HTRM (Home Theater Remote-Masters Series). Not only will the HTRM learn the command for any component, it is easy to use and navigate.
M15 Surround Sound Preamplifier features
THX Ultra 2 Certified
6 AV Inputs with Composite and S-Video
3 HD Component Video Inputs
4 Coax and 4 Optical Digital inputs
4 Analogue Stereo Inputs
Tape Monitor
7.1 Direct Analogue Input
Dolby Digital EX, ProLogic IIx (movies and music), DTS ES, DTS 96/24, Neo:6, THX EX, THX Cinema, THX Music, EARS, Enhanced Stereo, Stereo Bypass
Video upconversion; Composite and S-Video inputs available on Component Video output
HDMI connection - 2 inputs, 1 output
OSD available on Component Video output
OSD chip is completely bypassed when not selected
"Direct" Component Video output without OSD
Lip sync compensation - (option to 100mS)
Flexible Bass Management including individual crossover frequencies for Front, Centre, and Surround speakers
Digital domain tone controls with centre channel "dialogue" control
RS-232 interface for advanced custom installations
12V Triggers for advanced control options, 1 In and 3 Out
3.5mm IR Control jacks, 1 In and 2 Out
Second zone AV output with zone OSD available
Four dual differential 24 bit, 192 kHz DACs
Dynamic Headroom Scaling for optimum resolution and S/N ratio for all program and decoding combinations
Linear Power Supply with custom Toroidal transformer with proprietary shielding to eliminate EMF leakage
Switched AC Outlet
Detachable AC cord
8 Device HTR M Illuminated Learning Remote control with LCD display
ZR 2 Second Zone Remote
Reviews: http://nadelectronic...heading-reviews
http://www.audiorevi...85_1591crx.aspx
Item:Cary Cinema 11 Surround Processor
Location: Sydney
Item Condition:Excellent 9/10 (Still with retailer)
Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps
Price: $?
Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, DD
Extra Info: It is still with Retailer in store boxed up, I was told it has been used for 20-40 hours as a demo model i believe. Condition is still excellent and it will come with some warranty on it. I havent personally used it yet.
More than just an audio control center, the Cinema 11 features the latest version of CES 7.1 decoding, which derives 7.1 channel output from stereo, 5.1 and 6.1 channel sources. Unlike
other decoders, CES 7.1 is compatible with all input sources and requires no special encoding.
Because the improvement it provides is clearly audible, CES 7.1 decoding is widely regarded as
the finest available.
In addition to CES 7.1, the Cinema 11 is also equipped with Dolby Digital Surround EX, Dolby Pro
Logic II, Dolby Pro Logic IIx, dts 96/24, dts NEO:6, and dts-ES decoding.
With 32-bit audio digital signal processing (DSP) engines, the Cinema 11 offers unparalleled
processing power. These DSP engines perform custom Cary Audio processing such as auto sound
setup system, CES 7.1 decoding, bass enhancement, dialog enhancement, bass management,
high-precision digital crossover, and room EQ. This processing is available at sample rates up to
192 kHz, with 24-bit resolution to retain top performance from all input sources and listening
modes. A DSP engine is dedicated to decoding multi-channel compressed audio sources.
10 channels 24-bit/96 kHz A/D converters can be used to convert stereo analog audio input and
7.1 analog audio input signals to digital signals, allowing the Cinema 11 to provide the benefits of
precise digital signal processing without sacrificing signal integrity. Alternatively, stereo analog
XLR or 7.1 bypass signals and 7.1 analog signals can bypass A/D conversion and internal
processing to remain in the analog domain straight to the output connectors.
The Cinema 11 offers:
• 8 inputs; one balanced and seven single ended with RCA connectors; including S/PDIF
coaxial, S/PDIF optical, and analog pairs
• 7.1 channel analog audio input connections
• Analog bypass option for stereo and 7.1 channel analog audio input connectors
• Auto switching between digital and analog audio input connectors
• 24-bit/192 kHz D/A converters for all Main Zone audio channels
• Automatic and manual calibration of speaker distances and output levels
• 32-bit DSP engines
• CES 7.1 decoding
• Dolby Digital Surround EX, Dolby Pro Logic IIx and Dolby Pro Logic II decoding
• dts 96/24, dts-NEO:6 and dts-EX (discrete and matrix) decoding
• RS-232 connector for flash memory software upgrades and configuration tool downloads
• Optical digital audio output connector for Zone 2 (Toslink)
• 3 12 volt output connections with 1/8” mini plug connectors
• 2 IR input connections
• XLR microphone input connections
• 7.1 Balanced audio output connectors for Main Zone
http://caryaudio.com...ls/Cinema11.pdf
Reviews: http://www.hometheat...new-preamp.html
http://www.cepro.com...ble_to_pass_up/
Item: Cary Cinema 11a Surround Processor
Location: Sydney
Item Condition:Excellent 9/10 (Still with Retailer)
Reason for selling:Too Many Preamps
Price: $3500?
Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, DD
Extra Info: It is still with Retailer in store boxed up, been used for less than 20 hours as a demo model i believe. I was told condition is pretty much New and has full warranty on it. I havent even gotten to use it yet.
It decodes all the latest high definition codecs (Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA) and is Cary Audio’s flagship HT processor. This processor does no video processing, allowing all it’s smarts to concentrate solely on audio.
It outputs 7.1 channels and has both RCA & XLR inputs and outputs. Built in tuner, dual zone (with second remote). It can output RCA & XLR outputs simultaneously, which is handy for dual subs.
Specifications:
Decoding Ability
Dolby True HD
Dolby Digital Plus
DTS-HD Master Audio
DTS-HD High Resolution Audio
Dolby Digital
Dolby Pro Logic IIx for movies and music
Dolby Digital EX
DTS ES 6.1 Discrete
DTS NEO 96/24 for movies and music
Matrix Surround for 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1
Inputs
7 RCA analog stereo input pairs
1 XLR analog stereo input pair
1 XLR digital input
7 RCA coaxial digital inputs
7 TOSLINK digital inputs
2 HDMI inputs
Multi channel Analog Input
7.1 analog bypass input set for multi-channel playback
Outputs Main Front pair, Center Front, Surround Back pair or Center Surround, Surround pair, Subwoofer, can have 5, 6 or 7 speakers & subwoofer, RCA and XLR connections. 1 HDMI output. 2nd zone output: 1 digital output, 1 RCA analog stereo pair
Frequency Response 2 Hz - 96 kHz
Amplitude Linearity +/- 0.2 dB (20 Hz - 20 kHz)
Phase Linearity 3 degrees (20 Hz - 20 kHz)
Dynamic Range 115 dB (1 kHz)
Signal-to-Noise Ratio 115 dB (1 kHz)
Channel Separation >100 (1 kHz)
Total Harmonic Distortion 0.008% (1 kHz)
Rated Output Level 1.0 V RMS (8.0 volts maximum)
Power Input 120 or 240 Volts AC, 50-60 Hz
Power Consumption 25 watts
Weight 25 lbs
Dimensions 17.7" W x 4.5" H x 16.5" D
Detailed Features Auto setup with a microphone, RS-232 port on back panel for custom install system control, IR repeater input and output, 3 remote DC triggers, Bass and Treble controls with bass management circuit, Variable crossover from 40-140 Hz, in 10 Hz steps, dedicated remote control handset, second zone audio analog and digital outputs.
OEM link :- http://www.caryaudio.../cinema11a.html
Reviews: http://hometheaterre...essor-reviewed/
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:49 PM
Chopsus, on 16 November 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:
Read post 1 at the bottom - things musta changed
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:04 PM
My point being that until a couple of posts ago, the thread gave the impression the 12a was up for sale
an was not in use. Post 1 still claims this, might be time to edit it Lonewolf?
an was not in use. Post 1 still claims this, might be time to edit it Lonewolf?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 10:07 PM
lonewolf, on 23 November 2010 - 12:54 PM, said:
The Cary's are withdrawn from sale at the moment. The NAD M15 and the Rotel RSP 1066 are still available.
lonewolf, on 28 March 2011 - 01:50 PM, said:
The Cary Cinema 11a is being used by me now and so not being offered for sale. I havent really decided if i am going to use the Cary Cinema 11 yet in a 2nd system or not, its still in the box not being used at the moment 
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Bradp : When you say it did not cost much, are we talking a couple of hundred or more? I really should get these issues fixed up as i think the situation is nowhere near ideal at the moment. I believe i am using up about... 52 power sockets (through a lot of power boards) all coming from 2 power sockets in the room...... The powerboards are decent power boards i am using with surge protection etc but still the idea that its all coming from 2 power sockets is really .....scary.
.Bradp : When you say it did not cost much, are we talking a couple of hundred or more? I really should get these issues fixed up as i think the situation is nowhere near ideal at the moment. I believe i am using up about... 52 power sockets (through a lot of power boards) all coming from 2 power sockets in the room...... The powerboards are decent power boards i am using with surge protection etc but still the idea that its all coming from 2 power sockets is really .....scary.
Guys as you can see there were 2 posts i made back on the first page nov 2010 and march 2011 where i clearly state that the carys are first withdrawn from sale and in the 2nd post i go on to say that the Cinema 11a is now being used by me. I was not able to edit the first post after a certain period of time has surpassed.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:26 AM
Rotel RSP 1066 - 350$
Nad M15 - 1800$
Cary Cinema 11 - 1500$
Nad M15 - 1800$
Cary Cinema 11 - 1500$
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 06:18 PM
Chopsus, on 15 November 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:
= $4300 with the Audyssey
I'm pretty sure I could wrangle an Integra 80.3 for less and have a 3 year warranty. ...
Definitely cheaper, 80.3 is at the $2.8k price point. I have one, I don't like it. The Cary/Audyssey combo price is substantially discounted on new price, and if I had the choice I'd cough up the extra $1.5k for it over the 80.3.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 06:23 PM
beejay76, on 04 December 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:
Definitely cheaper, 80.3 is at the $2.8k price point. I have one, I don't like it.
may I ask why mate..............
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:10 PM
So if Lonewolf's Cary is for sale at $1500 (if I read it right) then you can get the Cary/Audyssey SEQ and Pro kit for $2300 - that's an impressive combination for the price.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:09 PM
yorac, on 04 December 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:
may I ask why mate..............
For a whole host of reasons....many of course due to my own lack of understanding of the full capability of the 80.3....but ultimately it just doesn't sound anywhere near as good as what I "upgraded" from.
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Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:38 AM
beejay76, on 04 December 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:
For a whole host of reasons....many of course due to my own lack of understanding of the full capability of the 80.3....but ultimately it just doesn't sound anywhere near as good as what I "upgraded" from.
PM Chopsus, he will take it off your hands
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:21 AM
beejay76, on 04 December 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:
For a whole host of reasons....many of course due to my own lack of understanding of the full capability of the 80.3....but ultimately it just doesn't sound anywhere near as good as what I "upgraded" from.
Thats what i am afraid of if i ever decide to go back to a onkyo or a denon.. I am worried that the drop in SQ may be too noticeable for me. What did you drop down from?
