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[POV]

dantan, on Oct 1 2010, 02:56 PM, said:

I am aware that the PM-KI Pearl has got pre-outs (for use with an external Power Amplifier). If I were to connect it to a sub-woofer, wouldn't it stop the internal amplification of the PM-KI Pearl from operating? Or have I got it all wrong?

You will have to excuse me, as I am not very good with these sort of things.

Dan.

Took me ages to type last post inbetween doing work stuff (snore).. so missed this stuff!!  You can definately run a sub off the linel evel pre-outs on the marantz with no worries.  Certainly wont affect the operation of the internal amps.

[myrantz]

Kind of freakky as this is exactly what I'm considering doing too... using dedicated 2 channel system for HT and music playback.

Dan hopefully you'd get your setup going, and when you have, tell me how you wire everything up...

Personally I'm exploring exactly this option myself, but I'm hoping to find an audio processor that can mix 5/7.1 into stereo using Dolby, SRS or QSound tech. And AFAIK I don't think there's one? The only things I can find are those sound bar thingies, or TVs, but no dedicated processor.

[dantan]

Thanks heaps, Drew.

I have learnt so much from you guys in the last hour or so!

You guys are awesome!

Most of what I have learnt audio-wise I have learnt from here. 3 years ago, I did not know how to connect any audio gear up; used to have to get my very helpful brother-in-law but these days, I know how to wire things up myself but still learning.

Dan.

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dantan, on Oct 1 2010, 02:20 PM, said:

Thanks Al.

I understand most of what you said, but need clarification on:

"with any 2ch amp you use with it you would want to make sure if it has a sub out, some do and to hook upto that. With all the others you'll find most have a pre out L&R jsut for this purpose which you run to your sub."

So, say if I choose a Marantz PM-KI Pearl 2-channel Integrated Amplifier. It does NOT have a dedicated sub-woofer pre-out. How can I send the .1 signal to the sub-woofer if it only has a L and R pre-out?

Sorry but I am not that good with these sort of things.

Dan.

hi dan,

youd hook cd player to cd input on integrated

5000es youd hook the dedicated 2ch outputs from 5000es to a L&R input on integrated amp.

for sub, you would hook up pre-out L&R from integrated to pre in on the sub L&R. simply use the vol level and xover on the sub to blend in the mains.

hope makes sense

[dantan]

One more thing, Al, perhaps you could sell me your NAD M3 for a good price (good price for me, that is   ).  

[Mining Man]

POV, on Oct 1 2010, 02:31 PM, said:

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Even if you don't go down this path......if you are happy with the multichannel performance of your 8003 then wouldn't it be more cost effective to add a good 2 channel integrated with HT bypass than trying to bring something like the Anthem in??
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And that's probably where I was coming from when I opened this can of worms.  


At any rate, keep an eye out for the following threads:

FS - Marantz AV8003 Pre-pro
FS - NAD M25
WTB - Marantz KI Integrated

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dantan, on Oct 1 2010, 02:47 PM, said:

One more thing, Al, perhaps you could sell me your NAD M3 for a good price (good price for me, that is   ).  

dan the nad m3 is a beauty and actually has pure analog xover for sub use as well. if looking for one might find one at a good price     they do pop up now and then.

[dantan]

:), on Oct 1 2010, 12:46 PM, said:

youd hook cd player to cd input on integrated

5000es youd hook the dedicated 2ch outputs from 5000es to a L&R input on integrated amp.

for sub, you would hook up pre-out L&R from integrated to pre in on the sub L&R. simply use the vol level and xover on the sub to blend in the mains.

hope makes sense

Thanks Al.

This certainly does indeed make sense.

I have always only plugged in the left-hand-side in-put of the sub-woofer that's why I didn't even think to plug in both left and right into the sub-woofer.

Does this mean that the sub-woofer will always remain on whenever I have got the Integrated Amplifier on? E.g. whichever in-put I am currently using, whether I am playing Music through my CD Player or movies through my Blu-ray Disc Player, the sub-woofer is always on, and it's always on full-range or whatever it is set on the back of my sub-woofer?

Dan.

[dantan]

Mining Man, on Oct 1 2010, 12:47 PM, said:

At any rate, keep an eye out for the following threads:

FS - Marantz AV8003 Pre-pro
FS - NAD M25
WTB - Marantz KI Integrated

Haha - perhaps, indeed.

If I do decide to go down this path, I shall likely trade-in the AV8003 (and purchase a PM-KI Pearl) and try to sell on here my very-much-loved NAD M25.

Dan.

[POV]

:), on Oct 1 2010, 03:19 PM, said:

dan the nad m3 is a beauty and actually has pure analog xover for sub use as well. if looking for one might find one at a good price     they do pop up now and then.

Here you go  

http://www.stereo.ne...rated-Amplifier

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dantan, on Oct 1 2010, 02:51 PM, said:

Thanks Al.

This certainly does indeed make sense.

I have always only plugged in the left-hand-side in-put of the sub-woofer that's why I didn't even think to plug in both left and right into the sub-woofer.

Does this mean that the sub-woofer will always remain on whenever I have got the Integrated Amplifier on? E.g. whichever in-put I am currently using, whether I am playing Music through my CD Player or movies through my Blu-ray Disc Player, the sub-woofer is always on, and it's always on full-range or whatever it is set on the back of my sub-woofer?

Dan.

Dan sub will always be on, but ofcourse if don't want to use it can just switch it off. You will get full range to you mains either way. The sub would be just for extension if so need.

With something like the nad m3 which looks like drew has found can also actively bi amp with the sub if have the need

[dantan]

POV, on Oct 1 2010, 12:56 PM, said:

Here you go  

http://www.stereo.ne...rated-Amplifier

Thanks mate, but I have registered and tried to go back on several times but cannot get logged-in!

Dan.

[dantan]

:), on Oct 1 2010, 02:27 PM, said:

Dan sub will always be on, but ofcourse if don't want to use it can just switch it off. You will get full range to you mains either way. The sub would be just for extension if so need.

With something like the nad m3 which looks like drew has found can also actively bi amp with the sub if have the need

I have just realised that with my B&W PV1, there are no L and R RCA analogue in-puts. There's only 1 "Line In" RCA in-put.

I assume that this simply means that a "Y" RCA splitter must be used?

By the way, my head is spinning with all these new things that I am struggling to grasp. "Actively bi amp with the sub"? I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, unfortunately.

Dan.

Edited by dantan, 01 October 2010 - 05:31 PM.

[Chill]

dantan, on Oct 1 2010, 05:30 PM, said:

I have just realised that with my B&W PV1, there are no L and R RCA analogue in-puts. There's only 1 "Line In" RCA in-put.

I assume that this simply means that a "Y" RCA splitter must be used?

By the way, my head is spinning with all these new things that I am struggling to grasp. "Actively bi amp with the sub"? I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, unfortunately.

Dan.

Yes Dan the PV1 has just one input, y conector or cabel required for RCA use (By the I way also use a PV1)
That is not an issue, what is of some concern is that the PV1 is a bit unusual in that the RCA in has no low pass filter, that
Is to say it will try to produce all of the frequent range!!!!! B&Wdi this as they prefer the low-level speaker style connection
In non core HT use, with a HT receiver there is no need for a lowpass as that is built into the receiver. This is vey good desgin in my view as many people stuff this up and use the sub controls (other than volume) with HT when they should
Not.

There are controls on the PV1 for volume, frequency and EQ, these only work with the speaker style input.

Iwould not use the PV1 with pre outs, as on the Pearl, but it would be perfict with the NAD as that has sub out with low pass

Edited by Chill, 01 October 2010 - 06:38 PM.

[adwaski]

dantan, on Oct 1 2010, 05:30 PM, said:

I have just realised that with my B&W PV1, there are no L and R RCA analogue in-puts. There's only 1 "Line In" RCA in-put.

I assume that this simply means that a "Y" RCA splitter must be used?

By the way, my head is spinning with all these new things that I am struggling to grasp. "Actively bi amp with the sub"? I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, unfortunately.

Dan.

Hi there Dan, Just quickly, how do you find your sub? I bought a pv1 to finish off my system and when I brought it home I noticed a humming sound coming from the sub. After playing around a bit and googling for reasons i realized it's the sub. At one stage I just had the pv1 powered with no other cables coming in or out and still a hum.
Took it back to the shop and the owner even heard it. Sent it back to b&w. They replaced it with a new one and same thing. Totally audiable and annoying. even the shop pv1 did it to the suprize of the owner who hadn't heard it before. And not just in one shop. If you turn the volume on your sub up 3/4 to full and put your hand on the driver you may fell your drivers rumbling with no signal going in! You may want to check it out   .

[Chill]

adwaski, on Oct 1 2010, 07:13 PM, said:

Hi there Dan, Just quickly, how do you find your sub? I bought a pv1 to finish off my system and when I brought it home I noticed a humming sound coming from the sub. After playing around a bit and googling for reasons i realized it's the sub. At one stage I just had the pv1 powered with no other cables coming in or out and still a hum.
Took it back to the shop and the owner even heard it. Sent it back to b&w. They replaced it with a new one and same thing. Totally audiable and annoying. even the shop pv1 did it to the suprize of the owner who hadn't heard it before. And not just in one shop. If you turn the volume on your sub up 3/4 to full and put your hand on the driver you may fell your drivers rumbling with no signal going in! You may want to check it out   .

Mine is as quiet as a mouse. Not the slightest sound

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Chill, on Oct 1 2010, 06:36 PM, said:

Yes Dan the PV1 has just one input, y conector or cabel required for RCA use (By the I way also use a PV1)
That is not an issue, what is of some concern is that the PV1 is a bit unusual in that the RCA in has no low pass filter, that
Is to say it will try to produce all of the frequent range!!!!! B&Wdi this as they prefer the low-level speaker style connection
In non core HT use, with a HT receiver there is no need for a lowpass as that is built into the receiver. This is vey good desgin in my view as many people stuff this up and use the sub controls (other than volume) with HT when they should
Not.

There are controls on the PV1 for volume, frequency and EQ, these only work with the speaker style input.

Iwould not use the PV1 with pre outs, as on the Pearl, but it would be perfict with the NAD as that has sub out with low pass

dan one option in that case is to look out for a velodyne sms1, usually go second hard for around $600, will allow you to blend in the sub wiht mains and room to pefection and comes with xover built in for line level so will basically take care of anything youd need to set the sub up and integrate it

for 2ch I think it is really excellent and used it built in my velo dd for both my previous mains and current for 2ch. purchased one myself for my bedroom system just dont have the sub hehe

[adwaski]

Chill, on Oct 1 2010, 07:16 PM, said:

Mine is as quiet as a mouse. Not the slightest sound

That great chilli   that's how it should be. Maybe I just got the bad ones   . Even a guy from work tried it and same thing. So the tally of rumbling pv1s was 5 for 5. The two that I got, 2 from 2 different shops and my friends from work. Nice looking sub though

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adwaski, on Oct 1 2010, 07:24 PM, said:

That great chilli   that's how it should be. Maybe I just got the bad ones   . Even a guy from work tried it and same thing. So the tally of rumbling pv1s was 5 for 5. The two that I got, 2 from 2 different shops and my friends from work. Nice looking sub though

yeah first ever read such a thing, and it is a decent sub indeed for my bedroom system if ever get around to it, a pv1 a velo, legend kurlette or rel 205 are on my short list so thanks for the heads up. will be a while before a reality but when time comes something will check out for sure

[adwaski]

:), on Oct 1 2010, 07:37 PM, said:

yeah first ever read such a thing, and it is a decent sub indeed for my bedroom system if ever get around to it, a pv1 a velo, legend kurlette or rel 205 are on my short list so thanks for the heads up. will be a while before a reality but when time comes something will check out for sure

I ended up buying a valo spl100u and couldn't be happier. It's got some major punch for the saize and the room eq works a treat. For small to medium size rooms at that price point I think it's hard to beat. Picked mine up for $1650 which was $50 more than the pv1.  

[Chill]

adwaski, on Oct 1 2010, 07:24 PM, said:

That great chilli   that's how it should be. Maybe I just got the bad ones   . Even a guy from work tried it and same thing. So the tally of rumbling pv1s was 5 for 5. The two that I got, 2 from 2 different shops and my friends from work. Nice looking sub though

Where are you ?  

Perhaps bad power ...?

As this is very strange, the PV1 has a great rep and nothing online re anyone else with this issue that I can find

Ok found some, all were earth loops

Edited by Chill, 01 October 2010 - 08:27 PM.

[adwaski]

Chill, on Oct 1 2010, 08:18 PM, said:

Where are you ?  

Perhaps bad power ...?

As this is very strange, the PV1 has a great rep and nothing online re anyone else with this issue that I can find

Ok found some, all were earth loops

I'm in Melbourne.
Not sure about power as it was noted in 2 shops quite some distance away from each other all on different pv1s. I'm suprised yours is okay. Did you turn it up to max volume and touch the cones?

[Chill]

adwaski, on Oct 1 2010, 08:54 PM, said:

I'm in Melbourne.
Not sure about power as it was noted in 2 shops quite some distance away from each other all on different pv1s. I'm suprised yours is okay. Did you turn it up to max volume and touch the cones?

Yep

But are you doing this with no connection ?

Did you get hum on half vol while connected to a receiver or speaker outs, that after all is how it should be used

Edited by Chill, 01 October 2010 - 09:04 PM.

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adwaski, on Oct 1 2010, 08:54 PM, said:

I'm in Melbourne.
Not sure about power as it was noted in 2 shops quite some distance away from each other all on different pv1s. I'm suprised yours is okay. Did you turn it up to max volume and touch the cones?

yikes adwaski I wouldnt do that sort of thing on any sub ! my velo DD15 doesnt get past about 10 out of 99 !   no way id put it up to max let alone try touch the cones !  

[adwaski]

Chill, on Oct 1 2010, 09:02 PM, said:

Yep

But are you doing this with no connection ?

Yep! even in the shops, only power cable connection and that's it. It was the only way to truely see how the sub was reacting. I too read post about the looping issues or people trying different interconnects and that fixing their problems but for my experience power cord only   .