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[jliang70]

dantan, on Nov 1 2010, 04:38 PM, said:

Certainly a LOT to learn about in audio. It is actually true in life, in general. We never stop learning!

You never stop spending either.

[50MXE20]

jliang70, on Nov 1 2010, 02:57 PM, said:

You never stop spending either.

WAF can curb it tho.

[kajak12]

jliang70, on Nov 1 2010, 02:57 PM, said:

You never stop spending either.

been their done that i dont spend anymore i just sit back and watch others spend it, my system is staying the way it is until i get duelunds in my amp  which will be very expensive $2000 should do it
WAF 0%

Edited by kajak12, 01 November 2010 - 05:58 PM.

[myrantz]

Loved the video.. Esp the last quote.. Two batteries, yeah!

jliang70, on Nov 1 2010, 08:25 AM, said:

Kajak12, I am actually quite open to opinion and it is unfortunate that we just don't have someone like you in Victoria.   If I live in WA you can be sure that I will be a regular visitor at your place.   I enjoy a lot of your posts as they give me a lot of good ideas which is a bit lacking in DTV forum.  Taking your advise on board I am going to place an order for Wav player.

Be the first in Vic to own one? There's also this satch max board which is 1541 based. Might be another option? There is just this something special with this chip, or the board, which really makes a pleasant sound...

Put that in a Flemo box...  

But the thing is Audio-Gd DACs does seem a bit too overcomplicated.

dantan, on Nov 1 2010, 10:04 AM, said:

I am afraid that I can never listen to my system in the same way again.  

I shall be in contact with you some time, mate.

dantan, on Nov 1 2010, 01:37 PM, said:

Thanks Drew. That's what I'm afraid of.  

Been avoiding this in the past myself. But honestly nothing wrong in hearing this just to establish a baseline.. It will be a paradigm shift and really worth it IMO...  Commercial hifi is like a road car, his is more a illegal hoon car..

[dantan]

treblid, on Nov 2 2010, 08:42 AM, said:

Been avoiding this in the past myself. But honestly nothing wrong in hearing this just to establish a baseline.. It will be a paradigm shift and really worth it IMO...  Commercial hifi is like a road car, his is more a illegal hoon car..

So kajak's system is like a super souped-up sports car?  

[:)]

dantan, on Nov 2 2010, 12:29 PM, said:

So kajak's system is like a super souped-up sports car?  

From what have read it appears to be ben johnson with car battery attached to his testicles  

[kajak12]

:), on Nov 2 2010, 09:45 AM, said:

From what have read it appears to be ben johnson with car battery attached to his testicles  

you should try it one day it will give you a  very quick ejaculation

Edited by kajak12, 02 November 2010 - 11:57 AM.

[myrantz]

dantan, on Nov 2 2010, 09:29 AM, said:

So kajak's system is like a super souped-up sports car?  

Words fail me TBH..  More like a car I will be very comfortable driving - everything just feels right for me...  Only came up with the car analogy coz he said "Two batteries, yeah!" in the video (that is incredibly funny and totally out of the blue btw) .

It's really a paradigm shift.. It's not about the car per se, it's about you (or rather the people listening to it). It's not abt specs, about brands, about formats (be it LP or CDs).. It's about you.

I tried my best to describe his system in the past (can't find my posts now)... But you have to listen to it personally, and see if his style of presentation suits you. People really have different tastes, and in this case it's really a YMMV.

:), on Nov 2 2010, 09:45 AM, said:

From what have read it appears to be ben johnson with car battery attached to his testicles  

kajak12, on Nov 2 2010, 09:53 AM, said:

you should try it one day it will give you a  very quick ejaculation

It did something better, just might drop a guy into a coma...

[POV]

kajak12, on Nov 2 2010, 12:23 PM, said:

you should try it one day it will give you a  very quick ejaculation

LOL……gold mate.

Yeah…..truth is it is very hard to describe in a word picture what kajaks system sounds like.  All I can say is that it is far removed (and probably infinitely better) than anything you will hear in any store (probably at any price as well TBH).  I had seen his posts about analytical sound before but didn’t really understand what he meant, until I heard his system.  Analytical is a very good way of describing traditional hifi sound in comparison to kajaks sound.

Can say that this is different from a few people waxing lyrical with hyperbole.  If anything I think we are probably failing to convey just how good it is.  Car analogies definitely don’t cut it.   Perhaps one way to describe it would be that you listen and hear with normal hifi systems but with kajaks system you hear and feel (I guess that doesn’t make a lot of sense either)  I think trying to describe the experience is like trying to describe skydiving (or something similar) to someone who hasn’t done it.  There is no way you can really convey it, one needs to experience this to truly understand what we are going on about……

For me in about 3 hours my perspective completely changed.  On Friday night I was sitting back enjoying the system that I had built, loving the tunes, thinking about how good I had it sounding and wondering how my sound would compare to Kajaks.  On Saturday night I was scratching my head and wondering how the hell I could listen to my analytical sound anymore…….  

Perspective……you just don’t know what you don’t know.

[:)]

kajak12, on Nov 2 2010, 12:53 PM, said:

you should try it one day it will give you a  very quick ejaculation

thanks but no thanks, think we'll leave that to yourself to enjoy the joys off  

[:)]

treblid, on Nov 2 2010, 01:02 PM, said:

~People really have different tastes, and in this case it's really a YMMV.

aint that the truth ! , be as many sorts of different sounding systems as there are people with different tastes. To me as much as have an interest in the technology side, still just see it as a means to an end to enjoy music listen too. and as long as can do that. that is the main thing and off primary importance in my opinion

[myrantz]

POV, on Nov 2 2010, 10:35 AM, said:

For me in about 3 hours my perspective completely changed.  On Friday night I was sitting back enjoying the system that I had built, loving the tunes, thinking about how good I had it sounding and wondering how my sound would compare to Kajaks.  On Saturday night I was scratching my head and wondering how the hell I could listen to my analytical sound anymore…….

Did you hear his setup with the ML-1 ultras? I have yet to listen since he changed 'em, apparently his system is much improved last I heard it (I remembered he called me a while back and can hear he's really enjoying them)...  Dammit why he has to live so far from me..  

Those speakers should suit my tiny room well...  Alas just no moolah at the moment...

Reading his posts on SNA one would assume he's a difficult guy. But he's such a nice guy in person. So far anyway .. Kudos to him for making the effort to try to communicate with us..  But I sorta miss his old (true?) persona on SNA where every letter he said pissed everybody off ...

Where did he go?  

Bring back the old Kajak.  You can't get banned here (I think) 2x ....

POV, on Nov 2 2010, 10:35 AM, said:

Perspective……you just don’t know what you don’t know.

The gap... I sorta know how far it is, but as a noob I just can't bridge it... Personally I just don't have skills to build a system like that (even with help)...

[kajak12]

treblid, on Nov 2 2010, 11:20 AM, said:

Did you hear his setup with the ML-1 ultras? I have yet to listen since he changed 'em, apparently his system is much improved last I heard it (I remembered he called me a while back and can hear he's really enjoying them)...  Dammit why he has to live so far from me..  

Those speakers should suit my tiny room well...  Alas just no moolah at the moment...

Reading his posts on SNA one would assume he's a difficult guy. But he's such a nice guy in person. So far anyway .. Kudos to him for making the effort to try to communicate with us..  But I sorta miss his old (true?) persona on SNA where every letter he said pissed everybody off ...

Where did he go?  

Bring back the old Kajak.  You can't get banned here (I think) 2x ....


The gap... I sorta know how far it is, but as a noob I just can't bridge it... Personally I just don't have skills to build a system like that (even with help)...

old kajak is banned treblid thats life

[myrantz]

kajak12, on Nov 2 2010, 01:14 PM, said:

old kajak is banned treblid thats life

For real? Sad if it's true really as your old self is rather entertaining TBH (in a good way )...

Agreed on the that's life part.. Life is a burden sometimes :/... Oh well..

[jliang70]

treblid, on Nov 2 2010, 11:42 AM, said:

Loved the video.. Esp the last quote.. Two batteries, yeah!   


Be the first in Vic to own one? There's also this satch max board which is 1541 based. Might be another option? There is just this something special with this chip, or the board, which really makes a pleasant sound...

Put that in a Flemo box...

But the thing is Audio-Gd DACs does seem a bit too overcomplicated.

Audio-GD DACs like 7 and 8 is the way that solid state DAC should be made and its design principle is base on tried and tested method on very good DACs.   BB1704 is by no means disgraced compare to 1541 if you just look at the recent shoot out in SNA.  A well made BB1704 perform quite well even compare to the entry level KDAC.   The main difference between the two chip BB1704 and 1541 is their overall presentation.  1541 has a sweeter mid range but BB1704 is more natural with a bit more authority in the bass region.  As I already said before if you gather the parts involve and time taken to fine tune a KDAC you would not be looking at a price remotely close to Audio-GD.  The Audio-GD DACs  still represent great value for money considering its performance will almost certain surpass a lot of DACs below and above its price.   I think when you actually reach a certain level at this hobby there is definitely diminishing return start to set in and what I could be looking at is a 5% improvement but with a lot more dollars involved and for this reason I would rather go into the dark side.

Edited by jliang70, 02 November 2010 - 03:49 PM.

[myrantz]

jliang70, on Nov 2 2010, 01:47 PM, said:

Audio-GD DACs like 7 and 8 is the way that solid state DAC should be made and its design principle is base on tried and tested method on very good DACs.   BB1704 is by no means disgraced compare to 1541 if you just look at the recent shoot out in SNA.

Got a link?

jliang70, on Nov 2 2010, 01:47 PM, said:

A well made BB1704 perform quite well even compare to the entry level KDAC.   The main difference between the two chip BB1704 and 1541 is their overall presentation.  1541 has a sweeter mid range but BB1704 is more natural with a bit more authority in the bass region.  As I already said before if you gather the parts involve and time taken to fine tune a KDAC you would not be looking at a price remotely close to Audio-GD.  The Audio-GD DACs  still represent great value for money considering its performance will almost certain surpass a lot of DACs below and above its price.   I think when you actually reach a certain level at this hobby there is definitely diminishing return start to set in and what I could be looking at is a 5% improvement but with a lot more dollars involved and for this reason I would rather go into the dark side.

Waiting for AUD to buy $1.20USD before I pull the trigger.. But by then prob all his 1704s are sold out.. No hurry for me anyway, since I am not an audiophile, sound isn't really the biggest deciding factor.. I just buy what my wife agrees to.. :/

[kajak12]

jliang70, on Nov 2 2010, 01:47 PM, said:

Audio-GD DACs like 7 and 8 is the way that solid state DAC should be made and its design principle is base on tried and tested method on very good DACs.   BB1704 is by no means disgraced compare to 1541 if you just look at the recent shoot out in SNA.  A well made BB1704 perform quite well even compare to the entry level KDAC.   The main difference between the two chip BB1704 and 1541 is their overall presentation.  1541 has a sweeter mid range but BB1704 is more natural with a bit more authority in the bass region.  As I already said before if you gather the parts involve and time taken to fine tune a KDAC you would not be looking at a price remotely close to Audio-GD.  The Audio-GD DACs  still represent great value for money considering its performance will almost certain surpass a lot of DACs below and above its price.   I think when you actually reach a certain level at this hobby there is definitely diminishing return start to set in and what I could be looking at is a 5% improvement but with a lot more dollars involved and for this reason I would rather go into the dark side.

i heard mikes system 2 weeks ago no where near mine(dac shootout system) it comes down to how far you would like to push your audio experience,i have heard a monarchy audio based dac 1704 heavily modded its great but the kd has still got more.


one plays sound the other music thats the diffrence for some its good enough for others it wont be

once you have a killer dac the rest dont do the magic  
diminishing returns yes we can all listen to mp3 on an ipod anything above that is diminishing returns
a fine line between fishing and standing on a jetty with a fishing rod

Edited by kajak12, 02 November 2010 - 04:47 PM.

[jliang70]

treblid, on Nov 2 2010, 05:13 PM, said:

Got a link?


Waiting for AUD to buy $1.20USD before I pull the trigger.. But by then prob all his 1704s are sold out.. No hurry for me anyway, since I am not an audiophile, sound isn't really the biggest deciding factor.. I just buy what my wife agrees to.. :/

Have a google at Mark Levison DAC36.  I think Audio-GD took a lot of design idea of that dac and add a few twist of its own with more attention paid to the power supply.