Latham4PM, on Sep 7 2004, 03:38 PM, said:
no one in the ACT gets to choose to vote for or against Carr.
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Posted 08 September 2004 - 09:11 AM
One small point - WIN news does not stop at the border - it also serves the surrounding areas of NSW, so some viewers do get to vote for/against Carr and aren't that interested in Stanhope.
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Posted 08 September 2004 - 07:03 PM
steveb, on Sep 7 2004, 02:32 PM, said:
Bright Devil=WIN employee?????
Bright Devil = Sydney-based Electronics Sales Supplier who regularly travels interstate & deals with (amongst others) TV Industry people.
And as we all have our own opinions, I'll stick to my thoughts about the difficulties of seeking a staisfactory order of importance when dealing with stories that are about local, national & international events, all in the one bulletin.
If the asbestos in the local primary school had been proven to have caused the death through cancer of half a dozen local kids, does it now rate higher than the Russian school massacre?
Let's not forget also, the National & International stories that NBN use are just the Nine Network stories repackaged with an NBN talking head in front. NBN don't source or edit them. But I digress - I am not crticising their efforts, more that I ( me personally myself) don't think the combination works.
And to Steve B (whom I gather is an NBN employee), my "cut & paste" comment cannot surely be described as an insult (even though it was silly name calling I was criticizing), considering that's exactly what happens with the movement & placement of clips on an automation system playlist. (See, I even know the lingo.) Why, did these three words hit a nerve?
I have watched the NBN Gold Coast service many times & the break-away section for the local stories is usually pretty obvious both in their content (compared to what is on before & after) & also the technical quality. Often it is not clean in or out.
And you guys keep referring back to the boring Canberra news, let's face it, Canberra is not the most exciting of places, (except Manuka's not to bad on a Friday night - a few good drinks with the Parliament House Media boys)
And yes Donald, the WIN/Prime/Sthn Cross services all extend well beyond the ACT border both by sheer coverage from Black Mtn & the many translators sprinkled across the NSW country side.
All opinions are valuable & worthwhile, it's just that some don't like the facts getting in the way of a good story.
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Posted 08 September 2004 - 08:52 PM
Just to emphasize the amount of local content that NBN broadcasts per week.
A regional broadcaster has to average 120 points per week which are made up of 2 points per minute of local news and 1 point per minute for other local material (not including advertising).
Prime acrued 134 points
SCTen acrued 123 points
NBN acrued 328 points.
(Souce: Newcastle Morning Herald, 8/9/2004)
Bright Devil, you can express an opinion, but as you said in an earlier post, no name calling. Calling it Cut and paste wasn't needed, it demeans the people that put a lot of work into the news each and every day, as well as the people that we have spread out across our viewing region. All you had to say was that you prefer the half hour/half hour news to the one hour combined. Simple.
I also think your over emphasizing any problems that we may have had previously. Its very full proof these days. Mistakes are rare. ( I was on the Gold Coast recently, and I couldn't even pick the point, and I know how it works!) If you can pick the points where it breaks away, let me know, I'll tell you whether your right or wrong.
Yes I work for NBN. Never hidden the fact or behind a Nickname. If somebodys going to have a go at where I work, of course I'm going to defend it. Discuss it, fine. Express an opinion, fine. Demean the work of others, thats not on.
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A regional broadcaster has to average 120 points per week which are made up of 2 points per minute of local news and 1 point per minute for other local material (not including advertising).
Prime acrued 134 points
SCTen acrued 123 points
NBN acrued 328 points.
(Souce: Newcastle Morning Herald, 8/9/2004)
Bright Devil, you can express an opinion, but as you said in an earlier post, no name calling. Calling it Cut and paste wasn't needed, it demeans the people that put a lot of work into the news each and every day, as well as the people that we have spread out across our viewing region. All you had to say was that you prefer the half hour/half hour news to the one hour combined. Simple.
I also think your over emphasizing any problems that we may have had previously. Its very full proof these days. Mistakes are rare. ( I was on the Gold Coast recently, and I couldn't even pick the point, and I know how it works!) If you can pick the points where it breaks away, let me know, I'll tell you whether your right or wrong.
Yes I work for NBN. Never hidden the fact or behind a Nickname. If somebodys going to have a go at where I work, of course I'm going to defend it. Discuss it, fine. Express an opinion, fine. Demean the work of others, thats not on.
SteveB
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Posted 09 September 2004 - 07:46 PM
Steveb, congrats to the work that you do at NBN. If I was living an hour down the road, (Gold Coast) I'd get to see it.
Well, that's a bit harsh, I mean, what about all the international news sourced from Reuters, BBC, CNN and the like, used by the major networks. They're also just repackaged with a station talking head.
BrightDevil, don't you think a place the size of Canberra is at least able to stand on it's own 2 feet and run it's own news race, maybe not economically viable to do it on 3 stations but at least 1, preferably 2? At least that'll please everyone, you could see your choice of format, and others like me would see ours. I strongly suspect implementing digital was the sole reason for the demise of SC10 and Prime, I'd hate to think they'd never bring news back after the costs of digital are covered.
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Let's not forget also, the National & International stories that NBN use are just the Nine Network stories repackaged with an NBN talking head in front. NBN don't source or edit them.
BrightDevil, don't you think a place the size of Canberra is at least able to stand on it's own 2 feet and run it's own news race, maybe not economically viable to do it on 3 stations but at least 1, preferably 2? At least that'll please everyone, you could see your choice of format, and others like me would see ours. I strongly suspect implementing digital was the sole reason for the demise of SC10 and Prime, I'd hate to think they'd never bring news back after the costs of digital are covered.
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Posted 09 September 2004 - 07:53 PM
steveb, on Sep 8 2004, 08:52 PM, said:
Prime acrued 134 points
SCTen acrued 123 points
NBN acrued 328 points.
SCTen acrued 123 points
NBN acrued 328 points.
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Posted 09 September 2004 - 08:02 PM
bacco|007, on Sep 9 2004, 07:53 PM, said:
steveb, on Sep 8 2004, 08:52 PM, said:
Prime acrued 134 points
SCTen acrued 123 points
NBN acrued 328 points.
SCTen acrued 123 points
NBN acrued 328 points.
Still, there news is better than SC10's Radio News with a picture. At least Prime shows video footage (including widescreen).
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Posted 09 September 2004 - 10:11 PM
I heard SC10 had a half hour Saturday arvo chat show where someone of some local public note comes in for a discussion about whatever i.e. a local councillor/MLA from ACT Parliament/AIS athelete/whatever. That probably racks up points. But whose watching current affairs on a Saturday arvo?
I remember reading the guidelines about obeying 120 points for weeks and, being a bit cynical, thought, it could be done as cheap as possible by simply reading newspaper passages at a desk and provide no vision. It doesn't surprise me that some are doing this. Even worse, it is SC10, who once had the most slick, professional local bulletin!
If all you have to do is 1 hour of local news/relevance for any singular week, well how's this. There are 7 days in a week. That means you'd only have to come up with less than 9 minutes of local news in a single day. Thus these stations could easily put on a 30 minutes composite bulletin of local, national, international news because once there's 9 minutes of local stuff mentioned, weather included, the rest can be filled with pertinant national and international news. Of course, with a format like that, some days (like today - international news dominance with Australian embassy bombed in Indonesia) the local quota would run short but would be made up earlier/later in the week.
I mean, how hard is that to do? That's what really annoys me about what the stations are doing with their interpretation of mandatory local news reporting (or their interpretation of how to get this chore done (like putting out the garbage/washing the dishes etc) with a minimum amount of money spent. Theoretically, there is nothing to stop win from cutting their news down to 15 minutes because 15 x 5 (5 day week for them) = 60 minutes thus quota met! They could then cheaply re-run some old cartoons or MTV video for the spare 15 minutes, with the $$$ they saved by making some journos/cameramen/editors redundant and met their legal obligations.
I remember reading the guidelines about obeying 120 points for weeks and, being a bit cynical, thought, it could be done as cheap as possible by simply reading newspaper passages at a desk and provide no vision. It doesn't surprise me that some are doing this. Even worse, it is SC10, who once had the most slick, professional local bulletin!
If all you have to do is 1 hour of local news/relevance for any singular week, well how's this. There are 7 days in a week. That means you'd only have to come up with less than 9 minutes of local news in a single day. Thus these stations could easily put on a 30 minutes composite bulletin of local, national, international news because once there's 9 minutes of local stuff mentioned, weather included, the rest can be filled with pertinant national and international news. Of course, with a format like that, some days (like today - international news dominance with Australian embassy bombed in Indonesia) the local quota would run short but would be made up earlier/later in the week.
I mean, how hard is that to do? That's what really annoys me about what the stations are doing with their interpretation of mandatory local news reporting (or their interpretation of how to get this chore done (like putting out the garbage/washing the dishes etc) with a minimum amount of money spent. Theoretically, there is nothing to stop win from cutting their news down to 15 minutes because 15 x 5 (5 day week for them) = 60 minutes thus quota met! They could then cheaply re-run some old cartoons or MTV video for the spare 15 minutes, with the $$$ they saved by making some journos/cameramen/editors redundant and met their legal obligations.
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Posted 09 September 2004 - 10:19 PM
Latham4PM, on Sep 9 2004, 10:11 PM, said:
I heard SC10 had a half hour Saturday arvo chat show where someone of some local public note comes in for a discussion about whatever i.e. a local councillor/MLA from ACT Parliament/AIS athelete/whatever. That probably racks up points. But whose watching current affairs on a Saturday arvo?
ABC's Stateline is better (and is also widescreen).
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Posted 09 September 2004 - 10:24 PM
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In fact, having seperate Local & National/International bulletins is something that the State Capitals could surely do with. A case where the regionals are actually better off?....
Actually BrightDevil, 9 here in Brisbane do just that, they have a local news/current affairs style show called Extra at 5:30pm, before the 9 news. It's fairly light and frothy and to be honest, I do flick over when the ads for 10 news are on but rarely does Extra hold my attention for long.
This is the only local example I can think of here, the other stations don't do any shows like this and I've no idea what happens in the other metro markets.
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Posted 10 September 2004 - 10:59 AM
Latham4PM, on Sep 9 2004, 10:24 PM, said:
Actually BrightDevil, 9 here in Brisbane do just that, they have a local news/current affairs style show called Extra at 5:30pm, before the 9 news. It's fairly light and frothy and to be honest, I do flick over when the ads for 10 news are on but rarely does Extra hold my attention for long.
And my comments about NBN's news sourcing it's National & International stories from Nine are not harsh, just the truth. Tell me if it is otherwise. Anyone can press a record button across a feed of pre-packaged news stories & stick their own talking head in front of it.
Hey look to be fair I'm pretty sure that even WIN in Hobart record these same Nine Network stories & package them into their own bulletin with their own talking head/s?, but this is their National/International bulletin. The previous half hour they have a local Hobart & a local Launceston news. This matches my point about the difficulties of prioritising a bulletin of local, national & international stories all in the bulletin.
And yes Latham 4pm, I TOTALLY agree that Canberra DOES deserve more than one local news bulletin. It really is a disgrace that our Nation's capital rates so lowly in this regard to the State capitals.
Sthn Cross & Prime SHOULD be doing something to make it competitve. Which is why I came to the defence of WIN's Canberra News in the first place (which got me labelled as a WIN employee for my efforts).
At least WIN DO a Canberra local news. Whether it's content is boring or stimulating, at least it exists. Surely something is better than nothing?
The Sthn Cross "updates" for want of a better word are an insult to the requirements of local news content. I maybe wrong, but it sure looks like they just buy the local papers from around the various broadcast regions & get a pretty girl to read them to camera.
And their weather updates are very amusing, where they group the city of Goulburn under the heading of Wollongong region! And I'm pretty sure that the Goulburn translator at Mt Grey is fed from Black Mtn, which means that the Goulburn viewers don't even see this info.
Prime decided to keep their local bulletins only in Orange & Wagga Wagga (while dropping the Wollongong & Canberra ones where there was competition) because they were the encumbent broadcaster & the country folk (no insult intended) are very much set in the ways of watching the same station at the same time every night.
There is also the fact that the encumbent stations (Prime & ABC) are still on VHF, where the aggregation newbies (Sthn Cross/WIN/SBS) are all on UHF which doesn't travel as far as VHF over the vaster distances required in the country & which also requires a UHF antenna unless you're under Canobolas.
Happy viewing.
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Posted 14 September 2004 - 06:52 PM
Well having lived in CBR for nearly 19 years now, I have seen the bad old days when I used to get a fuzzy SBS picture (using a VHF antenna for a UHF broadcast & rental accomodation) when Wayne Gardner was racing 1986 & winning the World Motorcycle GP in 1987.. Yes SBS used to show the Motorcycle GP's before Nine got hold of it & then now Ten!
ABC & Network Ten was it for entertainment, one channel better than Port Hedland which used to have only the ABC & Countdown but that is too many years ago now for me to care about.
Network Ten used to have the BEST news in town & that was even post aggregation which happened around March 31ST 1989 if my memory served me right. Geoff Hiscock/Christine Kinninmonth (what a hard surname to spell now seen on the ABC's Inventors) did a reasonable job & who remembers Mike Larkan weatherman went back to Melbourne, Prime local news came & went & now we suffer the revamped w/s Prime SYD news & the silly WIN 1/2hr local 1/2 SYD news... (still Peter Leonard is passionate about Canberra a real positive in my book)
I still reckon ABC do the best local news shame it is still 4X3 but when I asked em @ the open day last year when it was going w/s they said the sets would cost millions to change? I am going like what? + convert all the old footage? I thought news was supposed to be current news w/s footage & all...
Ah well if we wait long enough it will happen just not overnight like the ad says...
Cheers Mark
ABC & Network Ten was it for entertainment, one channel better than Port Hedland which used to have only the ABC & Countdown but that is too many years ago now for me to care about.
Network Ten used to have the BEST news in town & that was even post aggregation which happened around March 31ST 1989 if my memory served me right. Geoff Hiscock/Christine Kinninmonth (what a hard surname to spell now seen on the ABC's Inventors) did a reasonable job & who remembers Mike Larkan weatherman went back to Melbourne, Prime local news came & went & now we suffer the revamped w/s Prime SYD news & the silly WIN 1/2hr local 1/2 SYD news... (still Peter Leonard is passionate about Canberra a real positive in my book)
I still reckon ABC do the best local news shame it is still 4X3 but when I asked em @ the open day last year when it was going w/s they said the sets would cost millions to change? I am going like what? + convert all the old footage? I thought news was supposed to be current news w/s footage & all...
Ah well if we wait long enough it will happen just not overnight like the ad says...
Cheers Mark
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Posted 15 September 2004 - 09:26 AM
The funny thing about 4:3 and WS is that I've seen old clips (I think from This Day Tonight with Bill Peach) shown on Stateline and they're in WS. From the positioning of the content (ie, heads a bit close to the top of the frame) I assume they're really 4:3 clips with bits cut off the top and bottom (a vertical Pan & Scan, I suppose). I think I prefer the blurry bars on left and right method used by some other stations to fill out a 4:3 clip to WS.
The reason I've heard for ACT ABC news not going WS is that, even though the Canberra studio has WS equipment (hence Stateline), the rest of the country doesn't and the content sourced from elsewhere would either have to be converted or the rest of the country would have to be re-equipped. Hence, the millions mentioned.
The reason I've heard for ACT ABC news not going WS is that, even though the Canberra studio has WS equipment (hence Stateline), the rest of the country doesn't and the content sourced from elsewhere would either have to be converted or the rest of the country would have to be re-equipped. Hence, the millions mentioned.
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Posted 15 September 2004 - 10:17 AM
I can't believe Canberra has no HD TV broadcasts. 
I have just got back from Melbourne - last weekend 'Rocky Horror Picture Show' was broadcast in HD and it was amazing. I watched it on a Pioneer PDP-50MXE 50” - the clarity was so good, you could clearly see the make-up on the actors faces (something I never saw at the cinema or on normal TV).
Next year my girlfriend and I will move to Melbourne and say good-bye to the place I called home for 35 years. I was born here and I am sick of the lack of AFL coverage (Midnight Friday & Saturday night games by WIN and SC10, Midnight Footy show on WIN Thursday Nights and the bias by ABC Radio (666) towards league and union. Triple 6 always give live coverage of Raiders/Brumbies games at Bruce, and not once cover the 3 Kangaroo's games at Manuka in 2004. )
Anyway, enough of my complaining. I'm selling up my house and plan to buy in the Kew/Balwyn/Hawthorn/Camberwell area and set-up a dream home theatre system, where I can watch HD !
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I have just got back from Melbourne - last weekend 'Rocky Horror Picture Show' was broadcast in HD and it was amazing. I watched it on a Pioneer PDP-50MXE 50” - the clarity was so good, you could clearly see the make-up on the actors faces (something I never saw at the cinema or on normal TV).
Next year my girlfriend and I will move to Melbourne and say good-bye to the place I called home for 35 years. I was born here and I am sick of the lack of AFL coverage (Midnight Friday & Saturday night games by WIN and SC10, Midnight Footy show on WIN Thursday Nights and the bias by ABC Radio (666) towards league and union. Triple 6 always give live coverage of Raiders/Brumbies games at Bruce, and not once cover the 3 Kangaroo's games at Manuka in 2004. )
Anyway, enough of my complaining. I'm selling up my house and plan to buy in the Kew/Balwyn/Hawthorn/Camberwell area and set-up a dream home theatre system, where I can watch HD !
Steve
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 08:35 AM
Bringing the 7 year-old thread back to life...
It has been 10 years since Prime (now Prime7) & Ten Capital (now SC Ten) have axed their local news bulletins within 5 months of each other, whilst in the middle of it all, ABC launched its Canberra TV news service. What has changed since 2004, when this thread was last active? Very little, with ABC & WIN still the only stations to do proper local news bulletins.
I was down in Canberra yesterday, and I find it interesting to hear that Mix 106.3, one of the most popular radio stations in the nation's capital, advertises Prime7's Seven News/Today Tonight as opposed to the Nine News/WIN News hour. This is especially considering the fact that it's a Sydney news bulletin, in which not many Canberrans care too much on what's going on in the 'big smoke' up north. I suppose it does offer an alternative for those who are not that much interested on local Canberra news, and can always catch some local news on ABC at 7pm.
As far as ratings were concerned, back in 2006, WIN News was under threat by Seven News in the 6pm timeslot, in which there was a close battle between a local news bulletin & a Sydney-based news bulletin. By the middle of 2007, Seven News had overtaken WIN News in the ratings. In September 2007, WIN News was shifted from 6pm to 6:30pm, putting them up against Today Tonight instead of Seven News, in which it now goes up against Nine News, another Sydney-based news bulletin (originally aired at 6:30pm on WIN). Since the move, WIN News has been winning its 6:30pm timeslot (pardon the pun
), which should be a given, considering that Today Tonight is nothing to write home about, at least not since the days when Naomi Robson hosted the program.
As for ABC News, it rates highly in the 7pm timeslot, though not necessarily at #1, as A Current Affair on WIN rates very strongly on that slot. It's also worth noting that ABC News is the only Canberra news bulletin to operate on weekends, whilst the local commercial TV stations simply take the evening news from Sydney.
Personally, if I was living in Canberra (I do wish to live there BTW), I would watch WIN News at 6:30pm, followed by ABC News at 7pm. That's all the news I would need without it being too irrelevant & too 'trashy', in which the latter seems to dominate Seven & Nine's 6pm bulletins these days.
It has been 10 years since Prime (now Prime7) & Ten Capital (now SC Ten) have axed their local news bulletins within 5 months of each other, whilst in the middle of it all, ABC launched its Canberra TV news service. What has changed since 2004, when this thread was last active? Very little, with ABC & WIN still the only stations to do proper local news bulletins.
I was down in Canberra yesterday, and I find it interesting to hear that Mix 106.3, one of the most popular radio stations in the nation's capital, advertises Prime7's Seven News/Today Tonight as opposed to the Nine News/WIN News hour. This is especially considering the fact that it's a Sydney news bulletin, in which not many Canberrans care too much on what's going on in the 'big smoke' up north. I suppose it does offer an alternative for those who are not that much interested on local Canberra news, and can always catch some local news on ABC at 7pm.
As far as ratings were concerned, back in 2006, WIN News was under threat by Seven News in the 6pm timeslot, in which there was a close battle between a local news bulletin & a Sydney-based news bulletin. By the middle of 2007, Seven News had overtaken WIN News in the ratings. In September 2007, WIN News was shifted from 6pm to 6:30pm, putting them up against Today Tonight instead of Seven News, in which it now goes up against Nine News, another Sydney-based news bulletin (originally aired at 6:30pm on WIN). Since the move, WIN News has been winning its 6:30pm timeslot (pardon the pun
), which should be a given, considering that Today Tonight is nothing to write home about, at least not since the days when Naomi Robson hosted the program.As for ABC News, it rates highly in the 7pm timeslot, though not necessarily at #1, as A Current Affair on WIN rates very strongly on that slot. It's also worth noting that ABC News is the only Canberra news bulletin to operate on weekends, whilst the local commercial TV stations simply take the evening news from Sydney.
Personally, if I was living in Canberra (I do wish to live there BTW), I would watch WIN News at 6:30pm, followed by ABC News at 7pm. That's all the news I would need without it being too irrelevant & too 'trashy', in which the latter seems to dominate Seven & Nine's 6pm bulletins these days.
Edited by dtv_campbelltown, 22 July 2011 - 08:36 AM.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 01:57 PM
I wish PRIME7 up here would swap the 6 and 6:30 slots because atm, there is no live news in that hour, PRIME7 News used to be live at 6pm until about a year ago (though it didn't really benefit from it due to no live cross over's to news stories) and 7 News is delayed by half an hour and they do "live cross over's" quite regularly, but due to the half an hour delay, they are no longer live, even though the markings on the screen say so. I also wouldn't mind if PRIME7 were to offer Today Tonight on 7Two at some time in the evening as I really liked that when I was living in Sydney.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 09:50 PM
digitalj, on Jul 22 2011, 01:57 PM, said:
I wish PRIME7 up here would swap the 6 and 6:30 slots because atm, there is no live news in that hour, PRIME7 News used to be live at 6pm until about a year ago (though it didn't really benefit from it due to no live cross over's to news stories) and 7 News is delayed by half an hour and they do "live cross over's" quite regularly, but due to the half an hour delay, they are no longer live, even though the markings on the screen say so.
They would be following WIN's footsteps, which that arrangement is proven to be successful for them in many markets, especially where they don't have a local news competitor. With that move, WIN News regularly comes in the Top 20 on the weekly Canberra TV ratings.
See links to the weekly TV ratings that has been posted on MediaSpy.
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digitalj, on Jul 22 2011, 01:57 PM, said:
I also wouldn't mind if PRIME7 were to offer Today Tonight on 7Two at some time in the evening as I really liked that when I was living in Sydney.
That would be a good option for viewers in regions where Prime7 doesn't air it anywhere on the schedule. This would apply to the North Coast, Tamworth, Orange/Dubbo, Wagga & Albury viewing areas.
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Posted 06 February 2012 - 02:25 PM
From today's Canberra Times (6/2/12):
Read the full article at: http://www.canberrat...spx?storypage=0
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Audiences for Canberra's ABC evening news bulletin have collapsed, with the program losing more than two-thirds of its viewers in the past three years.
The national broadcaster's viewing figures for the 7pm news have slumped from a nightly average of nearly 47,000 viewers in 2009 to just over 16,000 last year.
ABC publicists in Sydney denied this week the collapse had anything to do with the low level of local content featured on the nightly bulletin.
But a leading Canberra media analyst contrasted the ABC's dismal performance with the steady improvement enjoyed by the local WIN TV evening news.
The national broadcaster's viewing figures for the 7pm news have slumped from a nightly average of nearly 47,000 viewers in 2009 to just over 16,000 last year.
ABC publicists in Sydney denied this week the collapse had anything to do with the low level of local content featured on the nightly bulletin.
But a leading Canberra media analyst contrasted the ABC's dismal performance with the steady improvement enjoyed by the local WIN TV evening news.
Read the full article at: http://www.canberrat...spx?storypage=0
