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[tonymy01]

Well given this is a fix for a (small) video problem, of course the video version will be different.   Up to you, do you finely calibrate your HDMI to TV via amp connections to ensure you are just getting BTB & WTW at the boundaries of the black/white?  If so, you will want the firmware update.   If you don't know what that is, then you will probably not need to do it.

[Vookie23]

Hi just got my 3800 the other day and have been trying in vain to get the true hd and other hd audio lights to come on.  I have tried bitstreaming via hdmi form both a samsung bdp1500 and the new panasonic bd60.  I have trawled alot of articles and pages on the avs forums.  Any suggestions would be appreciated, or am I just wasting my time.

[Eli]

Quick thing I can suggest is have you gone into the audio settings in the BD60 and changed the digital audio setting?

Please, please, don't take this technically - that's not the EXACT steps, but before I got my 3800 doing those formats correctly I had to go into the audio settings of the player and change this setting, which also turns off the blu-rau menu sounds etc. There's actually an explanation on the screen in the menu on my BD35. The BD60 may be different, just throwing it out there.

Also on the blu-ray menu, make sure the True HD or MA track is playing.

[Vookie23]

Eli, on Jun 22 2009, 12:01 PM, said:

Quick thing I can suggest is have you gone into the audio settings in the BD60 and changed the digital audio setting?

Please, please, don't take this technically - that's not the EXACT steps, but before I got my 3800 doing those formats correctly I had to go into the audio settings of the player and change this setting, which also turns off the blu-rau menu sounds etc. There's actually an explanation on the screen in the menu on my BD35. The BD60 may be different, just throwing it out there.

Also on the blu-ray menu, make sure the True HD or MA track is playing.

Yes tried that, changed everything to bitstream and disabled the 2ndry audio.  Still to no avail.  Thanks for your input though.  Yes it comes up on the player that it is decoding/streaming the right format.  Perplexed still

[Eli]

Hmm, another basic question then, have you hit 'Straight' effect on the receiver's remote? I realise you probably did this as the very first thing, but worth checking.

Some people say they need to turn their receiver on BEFORE the blu-ray player.

Also, are you going into the popup/setup menu in the blu-ray and selecting the language as English True HD or English Master Audio? (I know you said the player says it's decoding) but worth a shot, I know these are all basic things, but I'm sure you will get it working!

[Vookie23]

Eli, on Jun 23 2009, 11:39 AM, said:

Hmm, another basic question then, have you hit 'Straight' effect on the receiver's remote? I realise you probably did this as the very first thing, but worth checking.

Some people say they need to turn their receiver on BEFORE the blu-ray player.

Also, are you going into the popup/setup menu in the blu-ray and selecting the language as English True HD or English Master Audio? (I know you said the player says it's decoding) but worth a shot, I know these are all basic things, but I'm sure you will get it working!

Yep to all those suggestions, still no luck, will try reciever then player....  Nope.  But I did ring the Yamaha service people today and the guy I spoke to suggested that I change the display settings on the blu-ray player.  I only have a infocus 4805 that I was running at it's native resolution 480p, so i changed the bluray player to 1080i and what do you know I can now get True HD and DTS MA bitstreamed to the amp, with the lights on.  SO..  Thanks for your assistance Eli.  It finally works, and I'm off to enjoy some HD sound  

[Eli]

Ahh, great news mate, well done!

I felt better once I had those True HD and MA lights showing too

Enjoy!

[mazman]

Doesnt make sense to me that the fault was with the resolution output! it has nothing to do with the sound output!!!
But glad it worked

[ozlooper]

mazman, on Jun 25 2009, 09:34 AM, said:

Doesnt make sense to me that the fault was with the resolution output! it has nothing to do with the sound output!!!
But glad it worked

Perhaps the player thinks "I'm only doing SD video so I'll only do SD audio".

[Vookie23]

mazman, on Jun 25 2009, 09:34 AM, said:

Doesnt make sense to me that the fault was with the resolution output! it has nothing to do with the sound output!!!
But glad it worked

Yeah I totally agree, but tried also with the new panasonic bdp60 as well as the samsung 1500 and they both do the same thing.  So it's not just limited to one manufacturer

[collinhack]

I was watching Harry Potter and the goblet of fire last night, and was getting a persistent bass "thrum" in some scenes. It would persist until a new "big bass" noise happened, or I could swap inputs on the edge and that would fix it.

Running the latest firmware and was passing PCM from my BD35 BR player to DVDO edge then audio via HDMI to Yammy 3800.

Any idea why this might happen, if I can juggle any settings (bitstream instead of PCM?), or which component might be causing the issue?

[Chopsus]

Vookie23, on Jun 25 2009, 09:18 PM, said:

Yeah I totally agree, but tried also with the new panasonic bdp60 as well as the samsung 1500 and they both do the same thing.  So it's not just limited to one manufacturer

I have discovered the same - I suspect it's related to HDCP and profile 1.3 (??) ... in other words your BD Player will not let you access the Lossless tracks unless its authenticated the audio device, and this doesn't happen until your using a Hi Res HDMI selection.

It is weird though and I spent 30min trying to work out why my Sammy 1500 wasn't passing DTSHDMA, switch to 1080 and bigo, it now works.

Edited by Chopsus, 06 July 2009 - 11:35 AM.

[Chopsus]

collinhack, on Jul 6 2009, 11:10 AM, said:

I was watching Harry Potter and the goblet of fire last night, and was getting a persistent bass "thrum" in some scenes. It would persist until a new "big bass" noise happened, or I could swap inputs on the edge and that would fix it.

Running the latest firmware and was passing PCM from my BD35 BR player to DVDO edge then audio via HDMI to Yammy 3800.

Any idea why this might happen, if I can juggle any settings (bitstream instead of PCM?), or which component might be causing the issue?

Personally I only ever use bitstream as Uncompressed PCM is still sent to the receiver (if available on the disc) ... if your watching a Lossy or Lossless soundtrack I figure your screwing with it by getting the player to downconvert it to PCM ... send it all bitstream and let the 3800 do the work it's designed to do.

[SlawMan]

I had a very easy time upgrading my firmware last night, just though I would let you all know.

Called Yamaha yesterday morning and they insisted that the firmware upgrade could ONLY be done via CD at a service center, this is after I told them the unit had a USB firmware update capability (so much for the technical nouse).  The fellow also though he would let me know that the btb and wtw issue was not a bug, it was working just perfectly as it was.  They were however quite helpfull in putting me onto a service center in Sydney.  Gave them a call and had the firmware and instructions emailled to me within the hour.

Couldn't be easier.  Now I can calibrate my screen properly...........

On a side note, I cannot for the life of me hear any difference between the 3800 and the 3900.  Still lovin my 3800 for a while longer.....!

Edited by SlawMan, 07 July 2009 - 12:55 PM.

[collinhack]

Chopsus, on Jul 6 2009, 11:39 AM, said:

Personally I only ever use bitstream as Uncompressed PCM is still sent to the receiver (if available on the disc) ... if your watching a Lossy or Lossless soundtrack I figure your screwing with it by getting the player to downconvert it to PCM ... send it all bitstream and let the 3800 do the work it's designed to do.

Cheers choppy.  I'm pretty clueless on the whole lossy lossless thing - can never remember which is best.

Bitstreaming it is!

[Chopsus]

SlawMan, on Jul 7 2009, 12:52 PM, said:

On a side note, I cannot for the life of me hear any difference between the 3800 and the 3900.  Still lovin my 3800 for a while longer.....!

Given the 3800 has Burr-Browns up front it would probably take a pretty lively 5/7.1 surround track to show up any differences with the Burr-Browns all round in the 3900 .... I would guess that's why Yamaha originally only put them up front.  When the specs came out for the 3900 I actually wondered if it was more economies of scale in purchasing and manufacturing rather than an audible difference....... <runs and jumps in the flame suite he borrowed from Yorac>.

[SlawMan]

Chopsus, on Jul 7 2009, 01:37 PM, said:

Given the 3800 has Burr-Browns up front it would probably take a pretty lively 5/7.1 surround track to show up any differences with the Burr-Browns all round in the 3900 .... I would guess that's why Yamaha originally only put them up front.  When the specs came out for the 3900 I actually wondered if it was more economies of scale in purchasing and manufacturing rather than an audible difference....... <runs and jumps in the flame suite he borrowed from Yorac>.

You would think then that you would hear a difference with SACD but my two favourites, Dark Side of the Moon, War of the Worlds and Brothers in Arms, sounded the same to me.  Maybe I need to upgrade my rear speakers  )

[Chopsus]

SlawMan, on Jul 7 2009, 01:56 PM, said:

You would think then that you would hear a difference with SACD but my two favourites, Dark Side of the Moon, War of the Worlds and Brothers in Arms, sounded the same to me.  Maybe I need to upgrade my rear speakers  )

Hmmm Dunno, probably because I don't have SACD, are those titles native digital surround? If so then yes I would guess that you *should* pick the difference (all other things being equal) .... but if it's a stereo digital soundtrack being matrixed to surround, then I wouldn't expect to be able to hear the difference as the rear DACs aren't being used (I don't think).

Even still the Surround Speakers do bugger all compared to the fronts ... so Burr Brown DAC's may well be wasted there anyway.

I guess a cool test would be to remix a digital track so that the front channels play out the back and then see if you can pick a difference.

[tonymy01]

DSotM was recorded in analogue quadraphonic!  Dunno how it was sold like that though? Multitrack tapes?  Some funky analogue modulation for a record needle?  OK OK, will google..
Good page netted by google on the orignal Pink Floyd quadraphonic...  http://www.quadrapho....com/QQ-PFQ.htm .  Dunno if they mastered the SACD to use the surround effects back from the 70s though (maybe i might google again...)scrub that, that nice link explains all... wow, long history of various versions of "surround" with DSOTM!

[Chopsus]

tonymy01, on Jul 7 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

DSotM was recorded in analogue quadraphonic!  Dunno how it was sold like that though? Multitrack tapes?  Some funky analogue modulation for a record needle?  OK OK, will google..
Good page netted by google on the orignal Pink Floyd quadraphonic...  http://www.quadrapho....com/QQ-PFQ.htm .  Dunno if they mastered the SACD to use the surround effects back from the 70s though (maybe i might google again...)scrub that, that nice link explains all... wow, long history of various versions of "surround" with DSOTM!

A mate of my fathers had one of the first quadraphonic setups - I can just remeber them all sitting crossed legged in the middle of the room, half drunk, ohing and ahhhing ...... Quadraphonic vinyl does have 4 tracks of info IIRC

[JimmyB]

Chopsus, on Jul 7 2009, 04:02 PM, said:

A mate of my fathers had one of the first quadraphonic setups - I can just remeber them all sitting crossed legged in the middle of the room, half drunk, ohing and ahhhing ...... Quadraphonic vinyl does have 4 tracks of info IIRC

Hilarious    I have DSotM on quad vinyl. I read somewhere (maybe incorrectly) that apparently Pro Logic does a half-assed job of decoding it in modern systems.

[Chopsus]

JimmyB, on Jul 7 2009, 05:24 PM, said:

Hilarious    I have DSotM on quad vinyl. I read somewhere (maybe incorrectly) that apparently Pro Logic does a half-assed job of decoding it in modern systems.

I think that might be why there was that weird disclaimer on the SACD cover that Tonymy01 linked.

[Chopsus]

Has anyone here used the Triggers on the back of the 3800?

I am thinking of hooking one up to a 12 volt, 12 cm, PC fan to better ventilate my cabinet ... the manual basically refers to custom installs and to consult a dealer. I can't find any info on voltage, current, momentary or constant.

I'd be really curious if anyone has actually done this and how it worked out in the end.

Cheers

Chops

[hxmonaro]

Chopsus, on Jul 21 2009, 02:35 PM, said:

Has anyone here used the Triggers on the back of the 3800?

I am thinking of hooking one up to a 12 volt, 12 cm, PC fan to better ventilate my cabinet ... the manual basically refers to custom installs and to consult a dealer. I can't find any info on voltage, current, momentary or constant.

I'd be really curious if anyone has actually done this and how it worked out in the end.

Cheers

Chops

The trigger on the 3800 is 12v but only 16mA, it may run a small pc fan but you would have to check how many amps it draws as the trigger cannot even operate a normal 12v relay.

Ash

[Chopsus]

hxmonaro, on Jul 21 2009, 06:02 PM, said:

The trigger on the 3800 is 12v but only 16mA, it may run a small pc fan but you would have to check how many amps it draws as the trigger cannot even operate a normal 12v relay.

Ash

Hmmm ... curious - the fan is 0.16A ..... that would = 16 mA wouldn't it?

Do you know if it's momentary or constant?