230 replies to this topic

[MACCA350]

djOS, on Oct 6 2008, 10:47 PM, said:

Too true, they certainly had fun "warming up the tyres" tho!

[GTO]

The D-train, on Oct 4 2008, 06:19 PM, said:

yeah, if it was channel 9 when packer was alive it would have been pulled like the funniest home adult videos with doug mulray.  

Well, believe it or not--but there have been some occasions where I have thought that Doug Mulray was funny. I remember one year when he was part of the Ch 7 Bathurst telecast, & he was OK.
However, IMHO, the presenters of the Aussie version of Top Gear would like to think they're funny, would like to think they're smart, but they're neither.
Last night's show was even worse than the first. They even messed up the comparison between the Clubsport & the F6--pretty hard to do that, but they tried REALLY hard to muck it up, & they did--I mean, surely there's more to testing cars than sliding, making a bit of smoke, & laughing at your own jokes.
Similarly, the GT Ford session was more crap--no engine specs or photos etc, in fact no specific drive train info at all.
And, luckily, as I taped the show, I was able to use the F/F function for the Smart Car "segment".
I don't see a long future for the series, which I reckon is a MASSIVE failure, & a real missed opportunity.
They've tried to copy Clarkson, Hammond & James etc, every step of the way, & they've failed-every step of the way.
They'd have been better off NOT trying to imitate the English presenters, & just doing their own INDIVIDUAL show.
I love my cars, NEVER miss a European Top Gear--but I find this show BORING.
Cheers, GTO.

[D3CID3R]

haha i been given tickets to 3 shows

[aztec]

D3CID3R, on Oct 7 2008, 04:55 PM, said:

haha i been given tickets to 3 shows

I think the joke is on you

[nang3]

i remember when this was announced and i thought how the fark can they make a whole series based in Oz ???

Ep 1 - GTS vs Typhoon
          SS vs XR8 vs XR6T
          Fooly sikk Habib in his POS GTT R33 Skyline  vs Mr Rice in his riced up civic starting at Noble Park Maccas

Ep 2 - HK Monaro vs GTHO PHIII in old skool showdown
         Magna/380 vs Aurion
         Patrol vs Landcruiser

Thats pretty much covers all the aussie car comparisons, no point comparing massively overpriced lambos etc over here on our 110kph roads when they are 1/3 the price and a couple of hours from the autobahns in the original pommy show.

that being said i still havent watched any episodes yet!

[aztec]

nang3, on Oct 8 2008, 10:44 AM, said:

Thats pretty much covers all the aussie car comparisons, no point comparing massively overpriced lambos etc over here on our 110kph roads when they are 1/3 the price and a couple of hours from the autobahns in the original pommy show.

That reminds me of a quote from this week's episode regarding the GT, "now back on the road for what this car is intended"     

[MACCA350]

One thing I have been wondering is why didn't they use the FPV GT or GT-P for the comparison with the HSV Clubsport(or GTS for similar price tags). At least it would be comparing the two top V8's

I'd love to see that comparison, as an in depth review of both...........with some tyre warming thrown in

cheers

Edited by MACCA350, 08 October 2008 - 10:41 AM.

[Riv39]

I can't remember the actual statement in the last episode eluding to budget but it would appear a dead certain that there are budget constraints on the Aus version of Top Gear that do not exist on the original version of the series.

To be expected I guess but this will obviously impact on what they can do.  As for the 110km/h limit they could always go to NT and gst another 20km/h.......ooops, I forgot, budget constraints..........

[holdencaulfield2007]

I thought that the Aussie version would talk about power in kilowatts but no, they still were yabbering on about horsepower. Do they have to copy every bloody thing from the pommy version?

[pneu]

The show is pointless, all they are doing is copying someone else's act.

[Ali AR]

pneu, on Oct 8 2008, 10:31 PM, said:

The show is pointless, all they are doing is copying someone else's act.

indeed,

i much prefer the original version

[nang3]

MACCA350, on Oct 8 2008, 08:41 AM, said:

One thing I have been wondering is why didn't they use the FPV GT or GT-P for the comparison with the HSV Clubsport(or GTS for similar price tags). At least it would be comparing the two top V8's

I'd love to see that comparison, as an in depth review of both...........with some tyre warming thrown in

cheers

hahah probably because they wanted to compare the performance flagships of each brand, the Typhoon has always been regarded as fords top offering, and IIRC the Clubby is bees dick quicker than the GTS because of slightly lower weight.

but yes, mucho tyre warming will be needed !!

[The D-Train]

nang3, on Oct 9 2008, 09:40 AM, said:

hahah probably because they wanted to compare the performance flagships of each brand, the Typhoon has always been regarded as fords top offering, and IIRC the Clubby is bees dick quicker than the GTS because of slightly lower weight.

but yes, mucho tyre warming will be needed !!

I think about it a little bit differently.  

For me the FPV flagship is the GT-P, V8, more power than the 6 and about 11 grand more.

The GTS is still the flagship for HSV (unless you count the W427) even though the 0-100 time is the same as the R8.

For me they should have compared apples with apples and at least named a winner.  Good to see some sideways action but other than that another Oz top gear disappointment.

[nang3]

The D-Train, on Oct 9 2008, 10:00 AM, said:

I think about it a little bit differently.  

For me the FPV flagship is the GT-P, V8, more power than the 6 and about 11 grand more.

The GTS is still the flagship for HSV (unless you count the W427) even though the 0-100 time is the same as the R8.

For me they should have compared apples with apples and at least named a winner.  Good to see some sideways action but other than that another Oz top gear disappointment.

I guess if price and capacity come into it then the GT-P or GT-E should be the flagship... But its been widely proven the F6's have a lot more power than the V8's regardless of what the on paper figures say - the new 310kw F6 has been dyno'ing around 275-285rwkw stock as a rock, which would equate to about 330-340 flywheel kilowatts taking into account drivetrain losses etc.

for some reason i thought the R8 was a bees appendage quicker than the GTS due to the GTS being slightly porkier, my bad !!

I wish FPV would bring out a competitor to the W427, even a typhoon with a flash tune would give it a run performance-wise, but a $60k typhoon + $20k of brakes, interior and engine mods would rip it a new a-hole hahahha..

im not biased but i reckon the W is not worth the $150k price tag when you look at the other cars for similar coin - M3, AMG C63, R35 GTR (drool!)

[The D-Train]

nang3, on Oct 9 2008, 01:25 PM, said:

im not biased but i reckon the W is not worth the $150k price tag when you look at the other cars for similar coin - M3, AMG C63, R35 GTR (drool!)

Yeah I fully agree on this one.  Im a holden man but 150 grand.   I would struggle to pay 65 grand for a GTS never mind around 3 times that.

[The D-Train]

nang3, on Oct 9 2008, 01:25 PM, said:

I guess if price and capacity come into it then the GT-P or GT-E should be the flagship... But its been widely proven the F6's have a lot more power than the V8's regardless of what the on paper figures say - the new 310kw F6 has been dyno'ing around 275-285rwkw stock as a rock, which would equate to about 330-340 flywheel kilowatts taking into account drivetrain losses etc.

That would have to be a new thing.  Manufacturers talking down performance figures.  

[GSpot]

The D-Train, on Oct 9 2008, 11:03 AM, said:

That would have to be a new thing.  Manufacturers talking down performance figures.  

Porsche have always been conservative with their performance figures.  



Wish I had one.  

[aztec]

GSpot, on Oct 9 2008, 02:18 PM, said:

Porsche have always been conservative with their performance figures.  



Wish I had one.  

Considering the chatter seems I was wrong in my original assessment, guess they knew what they were doing when the did a Ford versus Holden.

Oh well, I guess they can please some of the people some of the time.

Do you think they could get away with Ford versus Holden every other week?

[nang3]

The D-Train, on Oct 9 2008, 11:00 AM, said:

Yeah I fully agree on this one.  Im a holden man but 150 grand.   I would struggle to pay 65 grand for a GTS never mind around 3 times that.

yeh no **** !! if i had 150k to spend on a car and nothing else, it wouldnt be a W !! if it had to be holden or Ford it would probably be a GTS (havent seen a GT-E/P in the flesh so no idea how they look or drive) plus the balance on a full head, cam and stroker kit with an intercooled Twin turbo setup to top it off haha.. plus some nice wheels and brakes of course

[nang3]

The D-Train, on Oct 9 2008, 11:03 AM, said:

That would have to be a new thing.  Manufacturers talking down performance figures.  

ROFL yeh i know !!
it started with the BA Typhoon when the GT was still perceived as the Halo model in the FPV range - Ford wanted the legendary GT nameplate to continue to be the flagship moniker, but unfortunately the GT name hasnt lived up to expectations. The BA-BF's were a lovely sounding but ultimately low revving truck motor when stock.
I was 100% deadset on a GT but while waiting for my usual salesman when i was ready to buy, another one offered (insisted) me a testdrive of a typhoon, one drive and i was sold haha

[MACCA350]

nang3, on Oct 9 2008, 01:55 PM, said:

I wish FPV would bring out a competitor to the W427, even a typhoon with a flash tune would give it a run performance-wise, but a $60k typhoon + $20k of brakes, interior and engine mods would rip it a new a-hole hahahha..

Or spend $15k on a supercharger and get 530-800kw (I think on any VE V8)...............hmmm  

cheers

Edited by MACCA350, 09 October 2008 - 03:08 PM.

[nang3]

MACCA350, on Oct 9 2008, 12:27 PM, said:

Or spend $15k on a supercharger and get 530-800kw (I think on any VE V8)...............hmmm  

cheers

haha yeh you might hit 500 flywheel kw with that blower kit on a VE, but you'd be pushing it IMO with stock internals !!! add new rods, pistons, fuel system, zorst and tuning and it would be close to $25k if not more i reckon

this VE Calais V here only pulled 370rwkw and it would be around the $30k mark i reckon ;

LS7 Block
Forged crank, pistons, rods
Compression 9.6:1
CNC Ported L92 heads with Patriot extremes
Dual 3" exhaust
Harrop/VCM Dual Fuel Pump system for VE.
60lb injectors
Harrop 122 Supercharger
medium sized cam
Roller Rockers

http://www.ls1.com.a...ad.php?t=106492

and thats one big expensive motor, pretty much a built and blown W427 motor !! would sound farken unreal at full noise in a tunnel though!!

[MACCA350]

No doubt
Here's some info on Capa's ute pushing out 926Hp(690Kw), about half way down the page......there's a whole list of modifications they've done.

I've been thinking about picking up one of the last Monaro's, but I'm not sure which version to go for

cheers

[The D-Train]

nang3, on Oct 9 2008, 04:43 PM, said:

haha yeh you might hit 500 flywheel kw with that blower kit on a VE, but you'd be pushing it IMO with stock internals !!! add new rods, pistons, fuel system, zorst and tuning and it would be close to $25k if not more i reckon

this VE Calais V here only pulled 370rwkw and it would be around the $30k mark i reckon ;

LS7 Block
Forged crank, pistons, rods
Compression 9.6:1
CNC Ported L92 heads with Patriot extremes
Dual 3" exhaust
Harrop/VCM Dual Fuel Pump system for VE.
60lb injectors
Harrop 122 Supercharger
medium sized cam
Roller Rockers

http://www.ls1.com.a...ad.php?t=106492

and thats one big expensive motor, pretty much a built and blown W427 motor !! would sound farken unreal at full noise in a tunnel though!!

I havent heard an idle like that since Mad Max in DTS.  

[The D-Train]

nang3, on Oct 9 2008, 02:28 PM, said:

yeh no **** !! if i had 150k to spend on a car and nothing else, it wouldnt be a W !! if it had to be holden or Ford it would probably be a GTS (havent seen a GT-E/P in the flesh so no idea how they look or drive) plus the balance on a full head, cam and stroker kit with an intercooled Twin turbo setup to top it off haha.. plus some nice wheels and brakes of course

20s not big enough for you.