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[desi]

Yesterday,

I played with my new Ep-10 by connecting it to my 26" LCD which do 720P  using HDMI watching Transformers.

I am unable to get the full screen picture , still the film gets black scope shade at top and bottom. Like ch 7 or 10 HD channels I will get full screen picture no black shades.

is the way HDDVD works or do I have to change any settings to make it full screen?

I know its a easy problem.

[h e a d]

desi, on Mar 3 2008, 01:39 PM, said:

Yesterday,

I played with my new Ep-10 by connecting it to my 26" LCD which do 720P  using HDMI watching Transformers.

I am unable to get the full screen picture , still the film gets black scope shade at top and bottom. Like ch 7 or 10 HD channels I will get full screen picture no black shades.

is the way HDDVD works or do I have to change any settings to make it full screen?

I know its a easy problem.

Apparently from what I heard HD-DVDs are formatted at a strict aspect ratio (depending on the film) and you can't fill the screen or zoom in. With DVDs you can.

Some movies have the 16:9 option for example and they fill the whole screen (on a 1366x768 TV), but most I have are 2.35:1, which gives those annoying borders.

I found no way to zoom either on the EP-10 unfortunately to fill the screen.

[DFOUR]

desi, on Mar 3 2008, 01:39 PM, said:

Yesterday,

I played with my new Ep-10 by connecting it to my 26" LCD which do 720P  using HDMI watching Transformers.

I am unable to get the full screen picture , still the film gets black scope shade at top and bottom. Like ch 7 or 10 HD channels I will get full screen picture no black shades.

is the way HDDVD works or do I have to change any settings to make it full screen?

I know its a easy problem.

You will find the movie is recorded with the black bars, depending on you tv you can zoom in but then you will lose the resolution. Make sure your EP-10 is set to 16:9 and that your T.V is set to wide as well

Cheers

Paul

[desi]

h e a d, on Mar 3 2008, 01:15 PM, said:

Apparently from what I heard HD-DVDs are formatted at a strict aspect ratio (depending on the film) and you can't fill the screen or zoom in. With DVDs you can.

Some movies have the 16:9 option for example and they fill the whole screen (on a 1366x768 TV), but most I have are 2.35:1, which gives those annoying borders.

I found no way to zoom either on the EP-10 unfortunately to fill the screen.

suppose If i have a XE-1 then i can do it?

[desi]

DFOUR, on Mar 3 2008, 01:15 PM, said:

You will find the movie is recorded with the black bars, depending on you tv you can zoom in but then you will lose the resolution. Make sure your EP-10 is set to 16:9 and that your T.V is set to wide as well

Cheers

Paul

yep EP-10 is set to 16:9 and TV is set to wide.

[h e a d]

desi, on Mar 3 2008, 01:51 PM, said:

yep EP-10 is set to 16:9 and TV is set to wide.

Then you're stuck with the borders unfortunately. That's the way the movie is written.

Only thing is if your TV has a zooming function. Mine doesn't (only 4:3 and some other useless modes that won't fix the problem).

It's seriously annoying. You get a widescreen TV hoping to fill the whole screen with viewing goodness, only to have half the screen filled with black bars.

Damn you 2.35:1 film ratio!

[AndrewW]

desi, on Mar 3 2008, 12:50 PM, said:

suppose If i have a XE-1 then i can do it?

No.

Please read this.

The "Black Bars" are good, not bad.  It means you are seeing the whole movie.

[AndrewW]

h e a d, on Mar 3 2008, 12:54 PM, said:

Damn you 2.35:1 film ratio!

See my post above.

Damn you pan and scan is more appropriate.

[h e a d]

AndrewW, on Mar 3 2008, 01:56 PM, said:

No.

Please read this.

The "Black Bars" are good, not bad.  It means you are seeing the whole movie.

Andrew, what if I don't want to see the whole movie?

Is there a work around? I'm tempted to say screw the left and right bits of the movie that I'll be missing on as long as I make the most of my TV's real estate space.

[ledge]

h e a d, on Mar 3 2008, 01:54 PM, said:

Then you're stuck with the borders unfortunately. That's the way the movie is written.

Only thing is if your TV has a zooming function. Mine doesn't (only 4:3 and some other useless modes that won't fix the problem).

It's seriously annoying. You get a widescreen TV hoping to fill the whole screen with viewing goodness, only to have half the screen filled with black bars.

Damn you 2.35:1 film ratio!

Hey check out some 2.40:1 movies then, even less viewing real estate... such as Titanic ..   : P
Standard DVD of course (for now)  ....

[desi]

AndrewW, on Mar 3 2008, 01:26 PM, said:

No.

Please read this.

The "Black Bars" are good, not bad.  It means you are seeing the whole movie.

yep andrewW that make sense

[AndrewW]

h e a d, on Mar 3 2008, 12:58 PM, said:

Andrew, what if I don't want to see the whole movie?

Is there a work around? I'm tempted to say screw the left and right bits of the movie that I'll be missing on as long as I make the most of my TV's real estate space.

Not using the player itself.

You would have to rely on any zoom function that your display might implement.

[desi]

2.35:1 means black borders on screen???

Planet Earth is the only one available on 1.78:1

Edited by desi, 03 March 2008 - 01:45 PM.

[AndrewW]

desi, on Mar 3 2008, 01:43 PM, said:

2.35:1 means black borders on screen???

For a 16:9 display:

4:3 content = black borders left and right of the picture
1.78:1 content = fullscreen
1.85:1 content = small black borders top and bottom
2.39:1 content = larger black borders top and bottom

more interesting info here

[h e a d]

desi, on Mar 3 2008, 02:43 PM, said:

2.35:1 means black borders on screen???

Planet Earth is the only one available on 1.78:1

Yep, anything that's not 1.78:1 (16:9) will have borders on a widescreen 16:9 TV.

Also, AndrewW thanks for the heads up. I also stand corrected. It's 2.39:1 not 2.35:1 like my previous posts.

[AndrewW]

h e a d, on Mar 3 2008, 01:52 PM, said:

I also stand corrected. It's 2.39:1 not 2.35:1 like my previous posts.

I think that some movies are actually released as 2.35:1, even though they might be filmed in 2.39:1

I know I've seen both 2.35 and 2.39 terms used in the past.

But then the difference would be minute anyway.

[sobie2000]

AndrewW, on Mar 3 2008, 12:26 PM, said:

The "Black Bars" are good, not bad.  It means you are seeing the whole movie.

Without starting a war to rival blu-ray vs HD-DVD and I am sure this has been done to death anyway, I think that is a matter of personal opinion. Sure you get to see the whole movie, but that usually means that extra tree off to the side. IMO, having the entire 16:9 panel filled with the picture is far more atmospheric and absorbing than seeing the black bars above and below.

I wish they would at least give us the option to be able to watch the movie in 16:9 or its native resolution, that couldn't be that hard to add as a feature on a disk?

[h e a d]

sobie2000, on Mar 3 2008, 03:29 PM, said:

Without starting a war to rival blu-ray vs HD-DVD and I am sure this has been done to death anyway, I think that is a matter of personal opinion. Sure you get to see the whole movie, but that usually means that extra tree off to the side. IMO, having the entire 16:9 panel filled with the picture is far more atmospheric and absorbing than seeing the black bars above and below.

I wish they would at least give us the option to be able to watch the movie in 16:9 or its native resolution, that couldn't be that hard to add as a feature on a disk?

Exactly!

Either that or start manufacturing TVs that have a wider aspect ratio.

[AndrewW]

h e a d, on Mar 3 2008, 02:31 PM, said:

Either that or start manufacturing TVs that have a wider aspect ratio.

And then your 16:9 content will have "black bars" left and right of the image

And the bars either side of 4:3 content will be huge.

[h e a d]

AndrewW, on Mar 3 2008, 03:35 PM, said:

And then your 16:9 content will have "black bars" left and right of the image

And the bars either side of 4:3 content will be huge.

Good point. And then they'll release 4:1 ratios or some other insane format that just keeps getting wider and wider.

There is no winning. I guess we just have to learn to put up with the bars.

Hey, a bit offtopic, but what's a good (decent size) TV that supports 24Hz?

[desi]

thanks guys for the valuable information

One more question for u guys
I had 2002 model 5.1 Philips CD player (plays music and vCD), so by using EP-10 can I using my old 5.1 music system as 5.1  home theater?

Edited by desi, 06 March 2008 - 11:39 AM.