32" Lcd Tvs & Dead/stuck Pixels Options

[Macca007]

Hi All,

I'm trying to decide on buying one of the following TVs:

Panasonic 32LXD700A
Sony KDL32D3100
Philips 32PFL9432D/79

They are fairly similar spec-wise, so I was wondering what they are like quality-wise?

Has anyone had any dead or stuck pixels on the above models, and if so, were you able to swap it for a new one?
What is generally the better quality TV out of those listed above?

Also, does anyone know if the above models are about to be superseded?

Thanks so much!
Rob.

[wheelz]

Macca not sure on the other models but everyone seems to rate the panasonic,i was looking at one myself for the bedroom but i see pana are bringing out a 37" model later in the year so im going to wait for it.

[lunatix101]

What about a samsung R8 http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/detail/...=LA32R81BDX/XSA

[Throwaway]

The LG 32LB9D has an absolutely wonderful picture -


http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/index.php/...1;pid;4159;pt;1

This post has been edited by Throwaway: Feb 13 2008, 06:16 PM

[Macca007]

Thanks for the comments. The reason I singled out those three TVs is that they seem to have an excellent reputation and are all 100Hz. I like to watch sport and play Playstation as well as movies, so a good response time or 100Hz is important for me.

[Owen]

Don’t make decisions based on “100Hz”, quoted response times or other marketing ploys, go on real world performance only.

[Macca007]

Thanks Owen, I will. I have already viewed most of the common LCD TV's in this range available in Melbourne. What annoys me hugely is that NONE of them are ever setup correctly. I started messing around with one and the store boy came up and asked if he could help me with anything. I told him I was just calibrating the colours a little bit so I could get a better idea of the picture this thing could produce. He said 'That's cool - we certainly don't do it!'.

IMO from what I've seen so far the Pana and Sony have the nicest picture. I still can't find that exact Philips model I listed on display, so I'm thinking I may overlook it since It's too hard to track down.

I'm coming from owning a 42" plasma - unfortunately it's too huge for my new house so I need to downsize.

Anyone have any good recommendations other than the Pana?

[dkint3]

Anyone have any good recommendations other than the Pana?

I'm also in the market for a 32" LCD.

Another good one that I'm considering is the Sharp LC32D53X.
It has a very nice picture..

Went to several stores on Sunday arvo and asked for the Aust vs India cricket to be put on the Sharp, Sony and Panasonic.
Couldn't find a Phillips 32PFL9432 that was hooked up for the cricket, so can't give a real comparison.

Panasonic seemed to have the best picture, then probably the Sharp then the Sony.
I can't say I was all that impressed by the Sony D series.
It wasn't bad by any means, it really wasn't far behind the Panasonic - but the Sony picture seemed just a little bit over-saturated..

The LG 32LB9D gets a very good review, but haven't looked at one yet.
Not sure about the reputation of the LG's though.... ???

I haven't made my mind up yet, but am leaning towards the Panasonic 32LXD700A - though only 2 x HDMIs is a potential drawback.
Does have 7 day EPG which is a handy feature - and is also generally cheaper than the Sony.
Will go looking again this weekend (hopefully).

[Throwaway]

The LG 32LB9D gets a very good review, but haven't looked at one yet.
Not sure about the reputation of the LG's though.... ???

I looked for a long time and the LG 32LB9D has an absolute brilliant picture and better than any other I saw. Every review I've read raves about it.
After reading all the woes from Sony, Samsung, Panasonic etc owners I wouldn't be to worried about buying an LG.

Another review -

http://www.hdtv-news.co.uk/2008/01/21/lg-32lb9d-lcd-tv/

This post has been edited by Throwaway: Feb 19 2008, 07:47 AM

[pistolpoida]

Hi All,

I'm trying to decide on buying one of the following TVs:

Panasonic 32LXD700A
Sony KDL32D3100
Philips 32PFL9432D/79

They are fairly similar spec-wise, so I was wondering what they are like quality-wise?

Has anyone had any dead or stuck pixels on the above models, and if so, were you able to swap it for a new one?
What is generally the better quality TV out of those listed above?

Also, does anyone know if the above models are about to be superseded?

Thanks so much!
Rob.

here is my two cents
i see these tvs every day because i sell the dam things, philips presents an over processed image so i would rule that one out. becasuse it looks very blochty at times.

I own the sony my self key reasons why the 10 bit panel, and 24f support, and good inbuilt speakers how ever it has the second worse tuner out of the lcd tvs and can be prone to coulding which mine has but no dead pixels, the colour are great, i had watch curse of the black peral on blu and my god it was great.

the panna has one of the best pictures and the best tuners out of any these tvs, good solid black levels good palate of colours very well made and good inbuilt speakers as well

I would for a brefief second put the sharp into consideration, but it has the worse inbuilt tuner.

if u are going to mainly uses ur tv for dvd and tv viewing with out any consideration for HDM Stick with pana great bang for buck with a wounderful pic, if u are looking to venture into hdm i would look into the sony

This post has been edited by pistolpoida: Feb 19 2008, 10:03 AM

[pistolpoida]

worng button

This post has been edited by pistolpoida: Feb 19 2008, 10:03 AM

[Macca007]

I had another look at the Panasonic 32lxd700a and noticed the black levels are definitely not as good as the Sony or Philips.

Philips Cons:
* Poor viewing angle. Even from about 10deg off centre you can begin to see screen washout on half the panel. When you sit further back this obviously is less of an issue, however the entire reason for buying a small 32" TV is because you can't sit further back. If I have friends gathered around watching this TV I think most of them will be seeing a washed out image, except for the two people right in front of it.

Sony Cons:
* Something is funny about the colour balance on this TV. The most noticeable problem is how it displays greens (e.g., grass on a golf course). They are way off.

Panasonic Cons:
* The black levels seem kind of purple. I've heard of people turning the backlight down from 276 to 200 via the service menu, however I'm unsure if this really makes any difference, or what effect it has on the picture.

I'm now going to have a look at the LG 32LB9D. There aren't many reviews that I can find, but it does have reasonable specifications (3x HDMI etc..), so should be worth a look at least.

At this stage I still think the Panasonic is probably the best all-rounder, as it has excellent sound as well (and I don't have a surround system at home, so I'll be using the in-built speakers), however the black level issue REALLY bugs me. I'm down-sizing from a plasma, so I'm very accustomed to good black levels.

* Can anyone comment on turning down the backlight in the Panasonic, and what effect that had on black levels and overall picture quality? Posting some before/after pics would be great!
* Does anyone have any further comments on the LG 32LB9D?

[BribieG]

Have a 2 yo LG LCD - 37 inch - and can't praise it enough. As a forum member I have always been interested in the full range of TVs and peripherals and always have a look around WOW or Good Guys whenever in their stores, so keep up to date. (bought a pedestal fan last week and had a good squizz around GGs Morayfield where they have excellent set-up and a couple of geeks on staff who know how to calibrate)

My advice on smaller LCDs , like Owen said, is to go on actual performance, however I would add to go for a 'bigger' name like Pana but avoid 'no name' brands or cheap rebranded shyte like Telefunken etc.

After 3 months of operation I noticed a stuck on white pixel lower right screen. It annoyed the heck out of me but I gradually got used to it. Recently it 'occurred' to me, and when I went to look for it on a dark screen, it had gone! There are a few websites on fixing stuck pixels - with LCDs the stuck on ones can often be fixed easily but the totally dead ones are a worry.

Try the following at your peril: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZUi2tKAYyw

[dkint3]

I'm now going to have a look at the LG 32LB9D. There aren't many reviews that I can find, but it does have reasonable specifications (3x HDMI etc..), so should be worth a look at least.

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* Does anyone have any further comments on the LG 32LB9D?

Here's an excellent review on the LG 32LB9D.

http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/index.php/...1;pid;4159;pt;1

This review is glowing of it, that its' made me want to go and have a look at one (which up until now, wasn't on my short list)..

[Macca007]

Interestingly, the LG is not 100Hz. I'm not sure how noticeable the difference between 100Hz and non-100Hz LCD Tv's is if the panel response time is already low.

I understand the LG has a 5ms panel, and the Panasonic an 8ms panel (I could be wrong). The Philips apparently has a 3ms panel!

[Throwaway]

Does anyone have any further comments on the LG 32LB9D?

Mine is awesome the PQ just blows me away every time I turn it on (what ever I'm watching HD,FTA or videos) and I find blacks are in fact black. There are heaps of features for changing colour etc etc etc. Every person who has watched TV on it comments on the colour and clarity of the picture. I bought it for $1195 at the Good Guys and they threw in component cables valued at $99.00 it came with 3 years factory warranty and I also paid for an extra two years which I think in hindsight after reading here about extended warranty I probably would have saved my money on that and declined. I would not say the inbuilt speakers are extremely loud, though it's irrelevent for me as I have 5.1 surround sound.

It really boils down to how YOUR eyes perceive the PQ of the TV that YOU are going to pay $$$ for. There is nothing worse than the feeling of buyers regret. All the recommendations in the world actually -mean nothing- in the real world as you are the one that has to live with the purchase.

I initially was shopping for a larger screen to replace our broken CRT TV and after looking at larger screens I just couldn't live with the PQ of any of the larger ones. Everyone is different and I personally would rather have a smaller screen with perfect PQ than a larger one that I would forever pick faults with whilst watching it.

[Macca007]

Throwaway, how do you find motion handling on the LG? E.g. if you're watching cricket, do you get blurring? I've also noticed on a lot of LCD panels that they over-sharpen the picture and this causes that blocky, ghost-like effect to form around outlines (e.g., around a player). Drives me crazy. And when you turn sharpness down the image looks overly soft!

Really not sure what to do...

[Throwaway]

I haven't seen any bleeding edges (what I term pixelation in TV's that don't handle motion that well) in any movie or tv program that I have watched. I'm not into the cricket but have watched it just for the WOW factor of saying to myself and out aloud to family "How clear is that picture!"

Have watched Die Hard 4. 3:10 to Yuma, Jumanji, Crank and heaps of other fast paced movies as well as motor racing all excellent.

Some TV's in the big box retailers are dreadful. Even watching a duck on a pond on WIN9 HD channel on LOT's of TV's at lots of retailers it looked great though as soon as the duck started to dabble and move it's head fast you could see pixelation on the back of the ducks head. Also stood out on the golf and tennis loops. This might be nothing to other buyers but it's something that would forever just totally kill my enjoyment of watching TV.

When I finally get to sit down at night after a long day for a coupla' hours of chilling out and relaxing the last thing I need is to see "errors" on my TV.


I'm not trying to swing you to buy a LG 32LB9D, just look at as many as you can and look at them for a long time and buy the one that YOU like. They all seem to be slightly different in some ways with PQ, motion and colour etc What maybe horrible to others may be terrific for you and vica versa.

[dkint3]

Here's an excellent review on the LG 32LB9D.

http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/index.php/...1;pid;4159;pt;1

This review is glowing of it, that its' made me want to go and have a look at one (which up until now, wasn't on my short list)..

I had a look at the LG today, and whilst it's certainly not bad, I don't think it's as good as the Panasonic.
The Panasonic just seemed a bit clearer - there seemed to be just a little more 'noise' in the picture.

The only thing that is holding me back on the Panasonic is that it has only 2 x HDMI inputs. Whilst I don't currently have any HDMI capable devices, within a couple of years, I can see potentially see myself with FOXTEL HD+, Blu-ray player and a HDD/DVD Recorder - all with HDMI. Though I guess there'll be ways around this eg. HDMI hubs (just like you see with USB hubs for PCs) or a HDMI input on a DVD Recorder so I can run a Blu-Ray player through it (or a combo Blu-Ray player / DVD Recorder).

[Macca007]

Thanks again for the insightful comments, everyone.

@dkint3, I also agree - 2 HDMI inputs long-term probably won't be enough. However after giving this some thought I think that you could easily add an HDMI switch box so that you could swith between PS3 and Foxtel (for example) as those two probably won't ever be required to be running at the same time.

Also consider this: If you are really hanging on to your TV for a long time, even 3 HDMI inputs probably won't be enough. On my old plasma I had 5 devices attached (PS2, VCR, DVD, SDSTB, Camera). Whilst not all of these devices will necessarily have HDMI capability, it's looking like eventually most AV gear is going to use it.

Anyway, at a minimum I think the TV should have 2 HDMI ports.

If I get time this weekend I'll try to go to HN again and have a look at all these TVs.