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Lyle, on Feb 15 2008, 01:22 PM, said:

Not sure where that leaves us wrt the Marantz 7002 as a pre-pro.

you'll have to find out  

[Psycho!]

Chui, on Feb 15 2008, 08:39 AM, said:

Actually Psycho, my set-up is/will be very similar to yours.

Looks like I will end up with the 7002 as pre/pro with the Elektra, and I already have the VP50 in place.

Then the search will continue for the 2ch pre.

All sound familiar??

yep. Excellent, I can call on you for help when I have to put it all together, although I am seriously thinking of using the services of Mark Techer chap recommended in other threads for Brisbane based calibration services and such. Still I am going to add you to my 'friends' list just the same...fisrt q's.. do you put the vp50 before or after the avr?

I have heard a HT setup using a Yammy AVR and a Primare pre30 in it and switching between the AVR and the Primare had a very noticeable and improved difference in 2ch sound quality, i.e. wider, deeper and clearer soundstage.  Maybe we can get Prior to organise a Primare GB?  

Edited by Psycho!, 15 February 2008 - 12:36 PM.

[malewis]

alebonau, on Feb 13 2008, 07:39 PM, said:

martin, the denons historically also have had a phono input.

http://www.avland.co...08/avr-3808.htm

though to be honest I'd suggest grabbing a affordable nad, CA, Mf jobbie off ebay that would probably do a better job over any phono stage built in an avr

http://cgi.ebay.com....1QQcmdZViewItem

typically can come up cheaper too at around $150 or so.

Thanks Al

My Denon 2802 certainly has one but my turntable setup is not top notch so adding $150-200 on top of the Marantz price is really stretching it - especially if I can get a Yamaha 1800 for $1330!!

Hmmm - decisions, decisions

Cheers

Martin

[Felix.]

D.G., on Feb 14 2008, 11:55 AM, said:

great to hear Felix - how is it going so far? did you manage to get all the inputs set-up?

Yes no problem with inputs at all. I'm able to use all 8 HD inputs just as you said. Like you I'm not sure what those guys over at AVS were going on about.

I'm also using the Marantz's main remote (RC8001SR) as my universal and am about 90% set-up. It was able to learn all my source components except for the Foxtel IQ which spat out an error every single time I tried to teach it.  

Thankfully the Marantz remote accepts a fairly comprehensive list of manufacturer codes and one of the codes for Pace STBs (maker of the Foxtel boxes) worked. It wasn't perfect, missing a couple of the lesser used IQ commands, and the the layout wasn't ideal but I am able to control the IQ well enough with the RC8001SR.  

I also couldn't get it to learn my aircon IR signals but I was kinda expecting that. Even my Harmony 880 couldn't manage that one.

It's quite a powerful remote which is well laid out and can handle macros. My only gripe is that the backlight doesn't come on automatically when you push any button. You have to tell it to come on by pressing a dedicated button each time you want it to illuminate. No doubt this was done to conserve battery power but at least an option to allow this would've been nice. I wouldn't mind changing batteries a little more often to have that convenience.

[Felix.]

Perth-Ed, on Feb 15 2008, 05:18 AM, said:

I noticed someone asked about dimming the display on the 7002, and didn't see that anyone had really answered it (although probably sorted by now).  7002's remote is no doubt different but for comparison on the remote for my Marantz SR4200 (2002 entry level model) there's a button called Dimmer and pressing that cycles the display through three settings: bright, dull, and off.

Unfortunately there is no dimmer setting like the SR4200. The options you have are on (full brightness), completely off (except for some tiny "DISP" lettering), or auto which means it only illuminates momentarily when the remote is activated.

Edited by Felix., 17 February 2008 - 10:16 PM.

[jliang70]

Psycho!, on Feb 15 2008, 01:30 PM, said:

yep. Excellent, I can call on you for help when I have to put it all together, although I am seriously thinking of using the services of Mark Techer chap recommended in other threads for Brisbane based calibration services and such. Still I am going to add you to my 'friends' list just the same...fisrt q's.. do you put the vp50 before or after the avr?

I have heard a HT setup using a Yammy AVR and a Primare pre30 in it and switching between the AVR and the Primare had a very noticeable and improved difference in 2ch sound quality, i.e. wider, deeper and clearer soundstage.  Maybe we can get Prior to organise a Primare GB?  

I am not Chui but I also own a DVDO VP50.  For my HD components such as PS3 and HD-DVD I routed my audio and video through AVR and then VP50, this is to avoid possible audio drop out  problem experienced with HDMI connections.  For my other component which use Component I route both audio and video through VP50 the to AVR.

[Gutty]

g12345567, on Feb 12 2008, 09:31 PM, said:

No Marantz haven't had a phono input on any of there AV Amplifiers for a very long time.
You will find that hardly any AV Amplifiers these days are equiped with a Phono input.

http://www.avland.co...7002/sr7002.htm
If you want to add a phono stage to the Marantz the you can use a phono preamp like the NAD PP2

http://www.lenwallis...ils.php?pid=925

And i was just about to list my Yammy for sale and join the GB.

But, sadly no phono input is a deal breaker for me.

Budget is only allowing for either addition of a low end 2ch pre to my Yamaha RX-V1600, or scrap the yammy and get a more musical AVR.... don't really want to add yet another box for a phono stage, so looks like the Marantz is a no go.  

[cooksta]

When setting the crossover Hz to a sub with the 7002/8002 is it 1 setting only or can different crossover points be set for fronts, centre and surrounds?
(like the Onkyo 875).

Edit; downloaded the owners manual and it appears that the Marantz is 1 crossover point only.

Edited by cooksta, 20 February 2008 - 05:00 PM.

[Dissociative]

cooksta, on Feb 20 2008, 09:43 AM, said:

When setting the crossover Hz to a sub with the 7002/8002 is it 1 setting only or can different crossover points be set for fronts, centre and surrounds?
(like the Onkyo 875).

Edit; downloaded the owners manual and it appears that the Marantz is 1 crossover point only.

sorry cooksta, i actually looked into this the other day, then forgot to post my findings  

basically i checked the manual then through the menu and couldnt find anywhere to set individual crossover points.

[Jeffie]

Can 4 ohm speakers be used with the 7002?

[Dissociative]

Jeffie, on Feb 24 2008, 03:01 AM, said:

Can 4 ohm speakers be used with the 7002?

D.G., on Jan 19 2008, 04:34 PM, said:

hi cooksta, just had a look and the back and it definately says 6-8ohms only. in addition, power specs in the book are only given in 6 and 8ohms.

based on above, i dont think so unfortunately.

[Jeffie]

thanks dg, probably could have found that myself but it was late and i was lazy

about to pick one of these up and wanted to see what my speaker options were... guess that would rule out krix without a power amp

[astormsau]

Jeffie, on Feb 24 2008, 12:50 PM, said:

thanks dg, probably could have found that myself but it was late and i was lazy

about to pick one of these up and wanted to see what my speaker options were... guess that would rule out krix without a power amp

hi everyone, i picked up one of these last friday and i must say i have been blown away with this amp.

Previously i have been using housemates high end onkyo which was about 4 years old (a stop gap measure), and prior to that a Yamaha RX-V757 which was leaving me wanting in 2 channel department.

Everything about the 7002 is fantastic as per DG's review.

Sound quality in 2ch is fantastic - clean and warm, my Yamaha speakers have never sounded so good.

Surround is awesome although the Audyssey auto callibration got my centre channel distance measurement out by 5m, so I manually calibrated these settings with the old tape measure and sound level meter... Surround in movies sounds much cleaner than the yamaha, the centre channel sounds more realstic and the depth of sound is great.

Highly recommend this to anyone looking for a great soundeding 2ch reciever which also does a great job of surround and supports the latest codecs.

[Jeffie]

this is from an email i received from marantz re 4 ohm and their 6-8 ohm markings

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Yes, we have to state how UL tested the receiver for certification.

All our receivers will drive 8,6 and 4ohms continuous and 2 ohm dynamic.

[petetherock]

I have used Marantz Reference Series AV Amps (their top ones) and I can tell you that being able to make noise with their amps with a 4ohm speaker isn't the same as driving a 4 ohm one well, esp if the entire setup is 4 ohms.

The 7002 does not have a large transformer or a strong set of caps. Only a handful of AV amps in the past 10 years have it and most of them cost > 5-6k.

Within their limits, I think Marantz amps tend to be more musical than the rest.

[Jeffie]

petetherock, on Feb 25 2008, 11:56 AM, said:

I have used Marantz Reference Series AV Amps (their top ones) and I can tell you that being able to make noise with their amps with a 4ohm speaker isn't the same as driving a 4 ohm one well, esp if the entire setup is 4 ohms.

The 7002 does not have a large transformer or a strong set of caps. Only a handful of AV amps in the past 10 years have it and most of them cost > 5-6k.

Within their limits, I think Marantz amps tend to be more musical than the rest.

Well at the moment im aiming for 5.1 system only... and if i was to go krix, it would be the front 3 only with a 4 ohm load, and for surrounds stick with 8 ohm - how do you think that would go?? would the 8002 be more capable with 4ohm loads?

[yamapro]

Krix themselves specifically recommend Marantz AVRs (The 7 & 8 series anyway) for driving their Neuphonix and Epicentrix. I believe they would have done pretty significant testing with these amps in their development of said speakers.

Based on that i wouldn't be too worried. I have driven 4Ohm nom speakers off of much lower spec'd '6-8ohm only' receivers, both long and short term and up to pretty high levels without any problems. My belief is that some manufacturers simply put these warnings on their to cover their own asses BMWwon't recommend you driving their V10 M5 at 250kms an hour but that's not to say it isn't comfortable doing it

Bottom line is to be careful and if in doubt check with both manufacturers or at least their distributors/agents...

[petetherock]

As I said, there are only a handful of amps which run 4ohm stuff well in full range.
So if you stick to running them as 'small' and direct the LFE to a sub, that should be fine esp if your listening area is not a barn or loft...
Good luck

Jeffie, on Feb 25 2008, 12:18 PM, said:

Well at the moment im aiming for 5.1 system only... and if i was to go krix, it would be the front 3 only with a 4 ohm load, and for surrounds stick with 8 ohm - how do you think that would go?? would the 8002 be more capable with 4ohm loads?

[GSpot]

Is the 7002 unable to downconvert HDMI to component? I would like to replace my pre-pro with an HDMI equippied receiver (for the HD-audio and less cables), but I have a CRT TV. Other receivers cannot do this either I believe. I don't want to add a breakout box/cable to the budget.

[cooksta]

GSpot, on Feb 29 2008, 06:55 PM, said:

Is the 7002 unable to downconvert HDMI to component? I would like to replace my pre-pro with an HDMI equippied receiver (for the HD-audio and less cables), but I have a CRT TV. Other receivers cannot do this either I believe. I don't want to add a breakout box/cable to the budget.

From page 60 of the 7002/8002 owners manual apparently not.

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Notes:
• The HDMI video signal input from the playback
device is not output from the COMPONENT
VIDEO MONITOR OUT terminal of the unit.

[GSpot]

cooksta, on Feb 29 2008, 07:26 PM, said:

From page 60 of the 7002/8002 owners manual apparently not.

Spewin!

I guess I could hook up the video via component and the audio via HDMI. Four cables are beter than nine (or 11 with 7.1) Can BD players readily output audio via HDMI whilst providing video through component? Do receivers receive these signals easily this way? Does the 7002?  

[Dissociative]

GSpot, on Feb 29 2008, 07:25 PM, said:

Is the 7002 unable to downconvert HDMI to component? I would like to replace my pre-pro with an HDMI equippied receiver (for the HD-audio and less cables), but I have a CRT TV. Other receivers cannot do this either I believe. I don't want to add a breakout box/cable to the budget.

as i understand it, there are no AVR's that can do this, due to HDCP restrictions unfortunately.

[cooksta]

New review of the 7002

Audioholics 7002 review

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I measured continuous power vs distortion by setting up a regulated sweep in my Audio Precision to automatically adjust input level until the maximum power output is achieved at < 0.1% THD + N. The SR7002 was plugged directly into an APC S-15 Power Conditioner with regulation to ensure the line never dropped below 118Vrms.


Power output: <0.1% THD + N

144wpc x 1 8-ohms
128wpc x 2 8-ohms
180wpc x 1 4-ohms
170wpc x 2 4-ohms

Keep in mind most review publications don’t do continuous power measurements and they usually publish power measurements into clipping at 1% THD + N. Our measurements are very conservative and it is clear that the 110wpc power rating of this receiver is greatly understated as Marantz is delivering MUCH more than specified.

Should dispell any concerns with running 4 ohm speakers with the 7002/8002  

Edited by cooksta, 26 March 2008 - 08:36 AM.

[yorac]

cooksta, on Mar 26 2008, 09:26 AM, said:

New review of the 7002

Audioholics 7002 review
Should dispell any concerns with running 4 ohm speakers with the 7002/8002  

Love this

"Marantz has a winner in the SR7002 AV receiver. This product is power, yet simple - something not easily accomplished in today's era of endless configurability. Some of the more advanced features and configurations may be pulled aside for D&M's higher-end Denon receivers, but the Marantz is clearly taking shape as the "bang for the buck" product line. With the addition of HDMI 1.3 to the mix and providing 4 of these high definition inputs, the SR7002 distances itself from much of the competition. We only wish they had made the dual HDMI outputs simultaneously parallel rather than switchable - which quite frankly renders the feature a lot less relevant. Musically, I found the SR7002 to be solid - music sounded excellent and feature films were more than enjoyable. I was unable to make the system hiccup or mess up any material and it was neither bright nor nonlinear in any way I could discern, the measurements bearing this out as well. At the price Marantz has brought this receiver to market, I'd say the SR7002 is a bargain and Marantz-lovers everywhere should rejoice that the company is more than back in the game - they are leading several innings."


Thanks Cookie

[Dissociative]

just read through it, a nice review and pretty much agree with everything.

not sure though what the big deal is about the inability to output both HDMI connections simutaniously which he kept harping on about. who watches 2 displays at the same time? i cant personally see any need for this?

anyway, few months on, still very happy with mine and cant think of any issues/complaints. looking forward to hooking up the elektra...