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momaw, on Dec 21 2007, 07:21 PM, said:

DSS9 (past the first two seasons) was not only some of the finest Trek ever made, but some of the finest sci-fi or even drama ever made.

It was an ongoing story, which was gripping and well told.  It is different to TNG of TOS in that sense so I wouldn't compare them and love them all equally.

Voyager tried to mix the two styles and imo failed.  The ongoing story was neither gripping nor did I care about the characters.  Despite putting them in a whole new quadrant, they had to rely on established enemies and stories to actually make a half decent episode.  Yet they threw every established rule, fact or cannon out the window every time the script became difficult.  It was lazy writing that had run out of steam.

Enterprise tried to correct this with mini arcs and season arcs.  While I enjoyed it, I think they went overboard.  Season 3 is almost too much and I found myself wanting a break from the main story arc.  I was also very dissatisfied by the finale.  Needless deaths and a weak story that rushed the show to a finish rather than celebrating it.  The ending should have been more of a beginning, as it was the start of the adventure, so to speak, for many more generations to come.

Anyway, thats just my 2c plus GST.

i think that casting jerry lynn ryan in voyager was a master stroke..................either that or i'm just a perve ........oh your right.....we've established that

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chatswood63, on Dec 22 2007, 06:51 AM, said:

i think that casting jerry lynn ryan in voyager was a master stroke..................either that or i'm just a perve ........oh your right.....we've established that

I think you are right.  The series was dead in the water and she revived it.  Partly the perve factor, but also because they started doing with her what should have been done throughout the entire series - problems integrating.  The show's potential in my opinion was wasted.  You had a trained military crew run by rules and regulations thrown together with terrorists "freedom fighters" used to doing things their own way.  Instead of exploring that dynamic, they decided everyone was best friends in less than a season with only the odd occasional minor disagreement.  That was a big mistake.  It wasted so much potential drama and felt really fake.  It rendered the whole marque plot useless.  They may as well have just been a stranded "pure" starfleet vessel on their own.

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momaw, on Dec 22 2007, 07:33 AM, said:

I think you are right.  The series was dead in the water and she revived it.  Partly the perve factor, but also because they started doing with her what should have been done throughout the entire series - problems integrating.  The show's potential in my opinion was wasted.  You had a trained military crew run by rules and regulations thrown together with terrorists "freedom fighters" used to doing things their own way.  Instead of exploring that dynamic, they decided everyone was best friends in less than a season with only the odd occasional minor disagreement.  That was a big mistake.  It wasted so much potential drama and felt really fake.  It rendered the whole marque plot useless.  They may as well have just been a stranded "pure" starfleet vessel on their own.

when i think about it............that's spot on

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I loved TNG, watched a majority of the eps, watched EVERY Voyager ep, however I only watched Season 6&7 of DS9 because my video store didn't have any before that  

Never really caught on to Enterprise though.

What we need is the Paramount Star Trek Collection of all 10 movies on HD-DVD, that would be totally awesome  

Bring on Trek XI too!  

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momaw, on Dec 22 2007, 07:33 AM, said:

I think you are right.  The series was dead in the water and she revived it.  Partly the perve factor, but also because they started doing with her what should have been done throughout the entire series - problems integrating.  The show's potential in my opinion was wasted.  You had a trained military crew run by rules and regulations thrown together with terrorists "freedom fighters" used to doing things their own way.  Instead of exploring that dynamic, they decided everyone was best friends in less than a season with only the odd occasional minor disagreement.  That was a big mistake.  It wasted so much potential drama and felt really fake.  It rendered the whole marque plot useless.  They may as well have just been a stranded "pure" starfleet vessel on their own.

spot on, the first few episodes with the marque integration tensions were brilliant. A pity they didn't keep up that momentum.

They're all good series IMO, even voyager sometimes.

Character development almost happened by accident on TNG, they then deliberately tried it on DS9 and it paid off, but unfortunately they forced it on Voyager and it just didn't pay off. Too many bloody episodes where its just about some boring crew member's personal issues.