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[mwd]

I was reading in another forum that a cheap UPS is much better than any surge protector.
Only problem is UPS are not cheap even if they are effective.

[JDH]

My local computer shop at Eastwood in metro Sydney was able to order in the 8 way Belkin for $160 with payment on credit card etc. I maybe could of got it cheaper from another online retailer but the postage cost would of cost as much as any saving.

PM me if you need the details of the computer store.

JDH.

Kazz, on Feb 12 2008, 05:22 PM, said:

I got the Belkin one that this thread is about from DSE for $198 but others have gotten them cheaper, go back through the thread and you'll see where they got them from.

[DR.ZOIDBERG]

http://www.mtechcomp...php?cPath=1_127

Sell them a great prices Have a look

[JDH]

The one I purchased is not shown on the site.

JDH.

DR.ZOIDBERG, on Feb 13 2008, 10:06 AM, said:

http://www.mtechcomp...php?cPath=1_127

Sell them a great prices Have a look

[Ali AR]

mwd, on Feb 12 2008, 07:34 PM, said:

I was reading in another forum that a cheap UPS is much better than any surge protector.
Only problem is UPS are not cheap even if they are effective.

i am not sure how effective UPS's are in this scenario but i just got a Eaton Powerware 5110 1500Va ( http://www.powerware...ps/5110_UPS.asp ) for $300 from Umart maybe could have got it cheaper elsewhere but i was there and i needed it for my office. it has 3 UPS outlets and 3 surge protected outlet, six in total.


when i get my plasma i am thinking of installing a powerware 9120-1000V+1000V batterypack and installing the  Belkin AV protector in the AV cabinet to distribute it.

also on the powerware site it has a calculator to asses your load, but you need to know your systems power consumption

http://www.powerware...ionOverview.asp


Edit: Powerware also make an isolator/surge protector which has recessed coax input/output but its response time is 5ns http://www.powerware.../POD_series.asp

Edited by Ali AR, 13 February 2008 - 12:11 PM.

[DR.ZOIDBERG]

Does having these Belkin PureAV Surge Protectors lower your household insurance cost??

[Jegi-bot]

I'm thinking of getting one of these for the peace of mind but I do have a question:

Is there the risk of overloading the electricity socket on the wall by running 8 appliances through the one socket?  Big screen TV 300 watts, home theatre 500 watts etc. (Can't remember my physics. we've got electrical currents running in parallel right?)

Also - what's the point of having the areal running through the surge protector? Is this in case the areal gets over powered, e.g lightning strikes the external antenna?

Thanks.

[DR.ZOIDBERG]

Yes that is correct, if lightning strikers the TV antenna it can stuff you TV through the cable.

I dont think you will have a issue with the overload part unless you hook you fridge etc up to it along with the TV etc.

[bevancoleman]

DR.ZOIDBERG, on Feb 19 2008, 10:33 AM, said:

Yes that is correct, if lightning strikers the TV antenna it can stuff you TV through the cable.

If lightnig strikes your antenna, no surge protector is going the save the equipment, it will simply just arc strieght over the surge protector (it got from the sky to the ground after all...).

So I'd have to say that antenna serge protectors are largly just for marketing reasons (it's cheap to add and their compition had them)

[AndyfromMelbourne]

Hi DR.ZOIDBERG

I like you picture   , sorry but not going to spend the same amount of time on mine!!

As for the setup you have, I wouldn’t worry about having the RJ45 connected, the phone line runs through the surge protector which in theory will protect your modem. As you have it wired, it is possible that if a surge gets through to the modem, it would not protect all the network ports...

If you wanted double the protection, you will need to purchase a network hub and wire it like this..

=Phone line RJ11====Belkin SP===RJ11===Modem==RJ45====Belkin SP===RJ45===HUB====RJ45 OUT

Phone line would go into surge protector, then modem.
A single RJ45 network cable from the modem would go back into surge protector.
The “clean” output would then go into a network hub, then to the PS3 and PC.

Hope this makes sense!??  

[MaverickAus]

Anyone tried a Thor A12?

[mc'loven]

can anyone tell me if there surge filters help to smooth there picture and sound out
do you notice if you turn them off then on i think its called rfi filter
thanks mc'loven

[turntable]

mc, on Mar 5 2008, 10:56 PM, said:

can anyone tell me if there surge filters help to smooth there picture and sound out
do you notice if you turn them off then on i think its called rfi filter
thanks mc'loven

  When I first bought mine it did indeed smooth out the picture and make it better and easier to watch.  I have not tried it out of the system since.

[shrek]

mc, on Mar 5 2008, 10:56 PM, said:

can anyone tell me if there surge filters help to smooth there picture and sound out
do you notice if you turn them off then on i think its called rfi filter
thanks mc'loven

When I connected the tv to my Belkin surge protector, I noticed a clearer picture as did my wife.

As a further note, I don't have my antenna cable connected to the surge protector or the phone line (which is no where near the surge protector).

[nuxx]

Hi all,

I purchased one of these boards as noted in the first post of this thread (from DigitalYes, approx $170 delivered FYI).  It seems I have a problem somewhere.  In that when I switch the board off via the Master switch on the unit itself, while the wall socket itself remains on, it throws the safety switch in my electricity box on the outside wall, cutting power to the rest of the house until I go outside and flip the switch back.  Has this ever happened to anybody else?

I haven't experimented with having the wall-socket switched off first, but surely something is dodgy somewhere.  If not the unit, then could it be something in my house wiring?

Thanks,
nuxx.

[shrek]

nuxx, on Mar 31 2008, 08:49 AM, said:

Hi all,

I purchased one of these boards as noted in the first post of this thread (from DigitalYes, approx $170 delivered FYI).  It seems I have a problem somewhere.  In that when I switch the board off via the Master switch on the unit itself, while the wall socket itself remains on, it throws the safety switch in my electricity box on the outside wall, cutting power to the rest of the house until I go outside and flip the switch back.  Has this ever happened to anybody else?

I haven't experimented with having the wall-socket switched off first, but surely something is dodgy somewhere.  If not the unit, then could it be something in my house wiring?

Thanks,
nuxx.

That definitely shouldn't be happening. Hope you don't have an earth leakage somewhere that might causing your circut breaker to trip. I'd get the power board checked first (cheaper than the house). Try using it at a different power point.

[Psygnosis]

mc'loven, on Mar 5 2008, 09:56 PM, said:

can anyone tell me if there surge filters help to smooth there picture and sound out
do you notice if you turn them off then on i think its called rfi filter
thanks mc'loven

I bought the Belkin Surge Isolator (the $299 RRP item for $159) 8 way board... and it didn't improve anything.

I was hoping it would ground my humming from the sub, but nothing.. i thought it would remove the interference from the antenna since it has antenna ports.. nothing.

[bevancoleman]

Psygnosis, on Apr 2 2008, 09:48 PM, said:

I bought the Belkin Surge Isolator (the $299 RRP item for $159) 8 way board... and it didn't improve anything.

I was hoping it would ground my humming from the sub, but nothing.. i thought it would remove the interference from the antenna since it has antenna ports.. nothing.

A few points to consider.

* The belkin boards only filter between the two sides (or for the entire board on cheaper models). This is common with most "hi" end boards.
* Filtering of antennas is a bit pointless, after all the TV can already filter out the signal it needs and you can't filter out noise that is in the channel frequencies anyway.
* Ground noise will travel via the shielding in RCA/HDMI/RG6/etc (i.e. any shielded cable) compleatly bypassing the board. You can't really do anything about that... it teh way sheilding is meant to work!

Does the sub have a humm when it's not connected to the Amp? If so then it's comming from the power supply and indicated that it's PSU is probably faulty since a PSU should provide clean power if working correctly.

[Psygnosis]

bevancoleman, on Apr 3 2008, 10:51 AM, said:

A few points to consider.

* The belkin boards only filter between the two sides (or for the entire board on cheaper models). This is common with most "hi" end boards.
* Filtering of antennas is a bit pointless, after all the TV can already filter out the signal it needs and you can't filter out noise that is in the channel frequencies anyway.
* Ground noise will travel via the shielding in RCA/HDMI/RG6/etc (i.e. any shielded cable) compleatly bypassing the board. You can't really do anything about that... it teh way sheilding is meant to work!

Does the sub have a humm when it's not connected to the Amp? If so then it's comming from the power supply and indicated that it's PSU is probably faulty since a PSU should provide clean power if working correctly.

Nah, sub only always has a hum, but obviously gets drained out with all the bass when something is playing. Though when you turn off the AMP, the sub hum goes away... i'm thinking it deactivates it. The sub also goes into powersaving mode if nothing is played for at least five minutes which in turn shuts the hum off. I notice the hum more when i increase the bass level though.

Dunno what to do.

[nuxx]

shrek, on Apr 1 2008, 04:10 PM, said:

That definitely shouldn't be happening. Hope you don't have an earth leakage somewhere that might causing your circut breaker to trip. I'd get the power board checked first (cheaper than the house). Try using it at a different power point.

Thanks for the response shrek - this morning I had an opportunity to do some experimenting without interrupting cooking, TV viewing etc of others.  I tried it plugged into a few different power points around the house.  It seems to happen intermittently.  I would plug it in, turn power point on, turn on the Belkin board master switch, give it a few seconds, switch it off.  Wait another few seconds, turn it back on.  I tried approximately 3 on/off cycles at each power point.  Once it tripped the safety switch first time, three other times I caused the safety switch to trip, it was on the second or third on/off cycle.  I tried at six different power points, and got safety switch to trip at three of them, and three seemed OK (but maybe just lucky at the time).  Switching the master switch on never causes the problem, only when it turns off does it happen.

My experimenting today was without anything plugged into it.  When I first noticed it (and it happened two out of two times) I had my TV and DVD player plugged into the board - so maybe having stuff plugged in will cause it every time - but this I am still yet to verify.  Will try when I next get a chance and report back.

Any thoughts from anyone?

Thanks,
nuxx.

[shrek]

nuxx, on Apr 5 2008, 11:48 AM, said:

Thanks for the response shrek - this morning I had an opportunity to do some experimenting without interrupting cooking, TV viewing etc of others.  I tried it plugged into a few different power points around the house.  It seems to happen intermittently.  I would plug it in, turn power point on, turn on the Belkin board master switch, give it a few seconds, switch it off.  Wait another few seconds, turn it back on.  I tried approximately 3 on/off cycles at each power point.  Once it tripped the safety switch first time, three other times I caused the safety switch to trip, it was on the second or third on/off cycle.  I tried at six different power points, and got safety switch to trip at three of them, and three seemed OK (but maybe just lucky at the time).  Switching the master switch on never causes the problem, only when it turns off does it happen.

My experimenting today was without anything plugged into it.  When I first noticed it (and it happened two out of two times) I had my TV and DVD player plugged into the board - so maybe having stuff plugged in will cause it every time - but this I am still yet to verify.  Will try when I next get a chance and report back.

Any thoughts from anyone?

Thanks,
nuxx.

Nuxx, maybe you should ring a sparky up (you can get a number from your local paper in the classifieds) and tell them your problem and see what they think because if you have a faulty board it might be causing your cicuit breaker to activate.

[bevancoleman]

Psygnosis, on Apr 3 2008, 06:09 PM, said:

Nah, sub only always has a hum, but obviously gets drained out with all the bass when something is playing. Though when you turn off the AMP, the sub hum goes away... i'm thinking it deactivates it. The sub also goes into powersaving mode if nothing is played for at least five minutes which in turn shuts the hum off. I notice the hum more when i increase the bass level though.

If you disconnect sub from the Amp with both still on, does the hum go away? If so that implies that the audio connection shielding is passing the ground loop hum.

you can get isolators for that but they are not that cheap.

[Psygnosis]

bevancoleman, on Apr 6 2008, 02:36 PM, said:

If you disconnect sub from the Amp with both still on, does the hum go away? If so that implies that the audio connection shielding is passing the ground loop hum.

you can get isolators for that but they are not that cheap.

Yeah if i disconnect the subwoofer cable then the hum disappears... but so does the bass obviously.

I've heard of those ground loop isolators but don't know too much about it.

[JoyBoy]

Does anyone have any experience with the Monster surge protectors? I know the general consensus is that Monster cables are overpriced, but I saw a monster surge protector, not sure about the exact model number, but it had 8 ports, telephone/cat 5, and RF filter protection for $139 at Harvey Norman, down from $249. Is this a good buy?

[Psygnosis]

JoyBoy, on Apr 27 2008, 10:40 PM, said:

Does anyone have any experience with the Monster surge protectors? I know the general consensus is that Monster cables are overpriced, but I saw a monster surge protector, not sure about the exact model number, but it had 8 ports, telephone/cat 5, and RF filter protection for $139 at Harvey Norman, down from $249. Is this a good buy?

Whats the warranty like?

The Belkin one is LIFETIME WARRANTY and UNLIMITED $$$ INSURANCE

If the monster has these then it is a good buy, if not, spend a bit extra and get the belkin.