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[The_Preacher1973]

Interesting interview with Denon:

Denon's Jeff Talmadge gives us the scoop on the new Blu-ray products

The quote that's causing eyebrows to be raised:

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JT: I haven't seen it in true operation yet; once I get it, obviously, I'll know. But that's the premise.  So you can have running pictures of the director, of the actors doing commentary or whatever other material the studio feels that they want to give you to make it a truly interactive experience.  After that, it's standard Blu-ray.  But there is a possibility — and this is maybe not so public knowledge — that when these discs come out that fit this new profile, they may not work  properly with the Profile 1.0 players.  

LU:  Really?

JT:  It’s a possibility, and that’s why we’re working very hard to make sure that our products will be okay with any previous discs and new discs.

Edited by The_Preacher1973, 13 September 2007 - 01:45 PM.

[momaw]

hmmmmm, will I get any apolagies from the dengrators?  Didn't think so.

[Chesty]

Who is Deon? A  mate?

Edited by Chesty, 13 September 2007 - 12:39 PM.

[AndrewW]

momaw, on Sep 13 2007, 12:24 PM, said:

hmmmmm, will I get any apolagies from the dengrators?  Didn't think so.

pfft, as if

[Chesty]

Key words are "may not". Still speculation as he does not know for sure.

We are no more advanced in knowing if this will be the case.

Apology reserved for now.

Edited by Chesty, 13 September 2007 - 12:57 PM.

[Aths]

momaw, on Sep 13 2007, 12:24 PM, said:

hmmmmm, will I get any apolagies from the dengrators?  Didn't think so.

Come on momaw

Don't work like that !

IF these disks come out and they do not work on old players (as opposed to another inconclusive may not statement) you then get to say

I TOLD YOU SO

Which by the way is way more fun than an insincere apology in my books.

[:)]

Chesty, on Sep 13 2007, 12:39 PM, said:

Who is Deon? A  mate?

Celine ?  

she probably doesnt knwo what a profile 1.1 is either  

seriously would explain the denon hold up with the new players. hopefully they hold it over so long it metamorphises into a dual BD/HD DVD player  

who said I couldnt spell ! hehe

[The_Preacher1973]

Chesty, on Sep 13 2007, 12:39 PM, said:

Who is Deon? A  mate?

Haha. Fixed.

[The_Preacher1973]

Chesty, on Sep 13 2007, 12:56 PM, said:

Key words are "may not". Still speculation as he does not know for sure.

We are no more advanced in knowing if this will be the case.

Apology reserved for now.

Apology reserved? These guys (who are designing the players) are saying the same thing Momaw and others have been saying: Be careful. They may not work in the future.

Nobody's saying they won't work. The worrying aspect is no one's saying they will work.

[AndrewW]

The_Preacher1973, on Sep 13 2007, 01:49 PM, said:

Nobody's saying they won't work. The worrying aspect is no one's saying they will work.

Which is what some of us have been saying all along, and others have been asking for something official to back it up ...

Well here it is, straight from the horse's mouth ...

[Aths]

"Who is Deon? A mate?"


"straight from the horse's mouth ..."

There you go chesty your answer, hope he does not get the flu.

[momaw]

The_Preacher1973, on Sep 13 2007, 01:49 PM, said:

Nobody's saying they won't work. The worrying aspect is no one's saying they will work.

Thanks preacher.  That's all there ever was too it.  If you want to buy a pre 1.1 player, by all means do it.  I just want peeps to go in with their eyes wide open.  It's not just the extra's you "may" miss out on.  Not trying to strong arm anyone.  There is a lot of disinformation and wishful thinking being spread as fact.  Don't fall for it.  It's all about risk management.  Speaking of which, back to work I go.....

[dazbug]

The actual movie will ALWAYS play, just the pip stuff wont work.

[Skid_MacMarx]

Thanks for the update Preac her
I'm glad to hear that Denon are addressing the issue and will make sure there won't be a problem.
You may find it is Profile 2 software in question considering the below statement:

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The profile itself is the next step in the Blu-ray evolution.  HD DVD is what I call a "baked format", meaning it's basically done.  There are some copy protection things, but that's later, and they’re not going to affect performance and playback of material. For Blu-ray, on the other hand, Profile 1.1 is just the next step — there's actually a Version 2 some time next year.  That's going to deal with players and the software, so it's two-sided.  But back to Profile 1.1. It mandates that players must have secondary audio and video processing for picture-in-picture capabilities, be able to support external storage of some type — or internal storage, it's really an option, I believe — for downloaded Web material.  Current Profile 1.0 Blu-ray players do not have to have any “connect” port.

http://www.listenup....adge.aug.07.php

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Chesty, on Sep 13 2007, 12:56 PM, said:

Key words are "may not". Still speculation as he does not know for sure..

I agree with the sentiments that CM expressed some time ago surrounding this issue, ie. I can't see that the industry will disfranchise the current support base.. the same goes with BD+ I can't see them "cutting off their nose to spite their face."

dazbug, on Sep 13 2007, 05:00 PM, said:

The actual movie will ALWAYS play, just the pip stuff wont work.

thats what PaidGeek said and that has always been my understanding.. ie you will be able to playback the HD movie but wont be able to access the advanced online features.
I gather the issues with BD-J so far have been addressed with firmware updates.. so I can't see any difference with this.

Edited by Skid_MacMarx, 13 September 2007 - 06:01 PM.

[Skid_MacMarx]

great to hear that they are considering the release of a duoplayer:

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LU:  So you would consider doing a combo player with Blu-ray and HD DVD?

JT:  That's probably our number one consideration at this point in time.  They're just starting to come out from some of the major players — obviously, Samsung has introduced theirs.  They'll be out this fall, while the LG player, you know, it's not a true HD DVD player — it's not a licensed HD DVD product.  LG has to make their own logo, it doesn't display menus for movies, and all this other stuff.  So Samsung's going to be the first true combo player.  And hats off to them.

http://www.listenup....adge.aug.07.php

[Skid_MacMarx]

AndrewW, on Sep 13 2007, 01:53 PM, said:

Well here it is, straight from the horse's mouth ...

classic

[Coops22]

Its fantastic for a company to actually care that their costumers won't be let down from a new product. I have read where others are trying to get their products out quicker so they don't have to conform to the higher standards set by blu ray. To me it shows its worth spending the extra $ for equipment from a specialist manufacturer.

[:)]

Coops22, on Sep 13 2007, 05:38 PM, said:

Its fantastic for a company to actually care that their costumers won't be let down from a new product. I have read where others are trying to get their products out quicker so they don't have to conform to the higher standards set by blu ray. To me it shows its worth spending the extra $ for equipment from a specialist manufacturer.

too true, if it is indeed why theyre holdign back on its release then all kudos to them ! very honourable !

[Skid_MacMarx]

I also like the Wifi capability.. saves stuffing around with cables for firmware updates.

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It appears that networking is really becoming a major factor.  People are connecting their receivers to the networks, they are streaming audio, and finally understanding the benefits from that.  And the fact that the Wi-Fi is on the 43 has helped it tremendously, because most people don't have Ethernet ROM and they don't want it on cables.  And the Wi-Fi works just like anyone's used to having a laptop that goes from one network to another.  It works very simply.  So it supports any encryption and things like that.  It's relatively easy to set up.  A new GUI, huge responses.

[momaw]

dazbug, on Sep 13 2007, 05:00 PM, said:

The actual movie will ALWAYS play, just the pip stuff wont work.

Ok, now since you are going to put it that way I am going to have to call you a flat out liar.  You have zero evidence to support that position.  To say that is beyond reason or belief.  NO ONE KNOWS YET AND CAN NOT GUARANTEE THAT.  Did you even read the Denon interview?  Even they have concerns and I guarantee they know a looooooot more than you or I.

Skid_MacMarx, on Sep 13 2007, 05:21 PM, said:

thats what PaidGeek said and that has always been my understanding..

You guys keep saying that but refuse to cite the whole conversation so we can put it in context.  Context is everything.

[AndrewW]

Skid_MacMarx, on Sep 13 2007, 05:37 PM, said:

classic

I don't get it ?

My post wasn't meant to be humurous.

You've asked for something solid to back up the claims that 1.1 profile discs may not play on pre 1.1 profile players.

Well here we have an actual manufacturer suggesting just that ...

[AndrewW]

dazbug, on Sep 13 2007, 05:00 PM, said:

The actual movie will ALWAYS play, just the pip stuff wont work.

And of course you know so much more than the manufacturers of the hardware.

Did you miss this bit from the OP ?

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But there is a possibility — and this is maybe not so public knowledge — that when these discs come out that fit this new profile, they may not work properly with the Profile 1.0 players.

I have never seen an actual BDA or manufacturer rep state that ALL future spec BDdiscs will play on current pre-1.1 players.

[momaw]

AndrewW, on Sep 13 2007, 06:27 PM, said:

I don't get it ?

My post wasn't meant to be humurous.

You've asked for something solid to back up the claims that 1.1 profile discs may not play on pre 1.1 profile players.

Well here we have an actual manufacturer suggesting just that ...

Forget it Andrew.  Some have fused those "blu" googles so tightly to their faces they sh!t "blu" now, which about sums up their contributions.

[AndrewW]

momaw, on Sep 13 2007, 06:31 PM, said:

Forget it Andrew.  Some have fused those "blu" googles so tightly to their faces they sh!t "blu" now, which about sums up their contributions.

This is what I don't get about all this.

I own a pre 1.1 player, and I know I'm concerened that future discs may not play.

Why go with the 'head in the sand' approach, rather than question complete silence on the question of backwards compatability ?

[tobes]

momaw, on Sep 13 2007, 06:31 PM, said:

Forget it Andrew.  Some have fused those "blu" googles so tightly to their faces they sh!t "blu" now, which about sums up their contributions.

So far all we have is speculation - that includes the Denon reps comments - why don't we just wait and see?