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[Obitus]

ejm, on Feb 18 2006, 01:21 PM, said:

Thats coming from someone who spent over 1k on the system as well isn't it? You are going to be a bit bias now arn't you.

As I've already said, it was running at 720p on and LCD (higher res than your plasma I might add) using component cables.

The games just didn't give me that WOW effect like the PS2 and Xbox did when they where realesed.

Good that you said 'demo' as well as that is exactly what it is.

After seeing it in action, I'm not going to run out and buy it straight away like I was originally planning to do but I will end up getting it.

You must be smoking something, games like project gotham racing 3, kameo, condemed, PDZ all look fantastic. Who cares if FN3 is a demo, it is a great demo that looks awesome and plays well too, definitely a must buy for the majority of people that have tried it. Don't use wow and ps2 in the same sentence, PS2's games look horrible for the most part, a jagged aliased mess. It has a lot of good games, but it also has a lot of horrid looking games, some of those being the good games. Apart from a handful of titles, PS2 underdelivered in a major way on a visual standpoint. I sold my PS2 about a year ago, and I'm quite glad with that decision as the original xbox was quite a bit better.

As for being biased, I just love games and gaming in general, and 360 delivers in a big way in my opinion. Launch titles are never going to be as amazing as those titles that come out after, because generally they are rushed to make the launch, and developers don't know the hardware inside out, but these launch titles are really quite fun and look fantastic. On top of this though you have the improved XBLA with fantstic arcade titles and great XBL functionality, not to mention the marketplace where you can download new game demo's and other items for 360. No, 360 is all that they've claimed it to be so far, it does deliver. You'll just be missing out, that is all.

[bingk6]

dkmaj, on Feb 18 2006, 11:16 AM, said:

ahhh but it is a BIG prob, most if not all crt based HDTV, be it rear projection or not, cannot display 720P, they have the option only of 576i/576p/1080i, all the sony and panas arent able to display 1080i at 60 only 50, and i have had it confirmed now that MS XBOX 360 will only 1080i at 60. Im very unimpressed, not sure what to do!?!?!?!.....AAGGHHH

Exactly right. How stupid is it for Microsoft to launch the 360 into the Australian market, going on about its  HD capabilities when the best that most people can get out of it is 576p?? Obviously there are sets locally that can display 720p and 1080i@60hz, but I reckon that will be in th minority. Personally, my plasma can display 720p, but the picture exhibits vertical black bars on both sides (like a 4:3 mode) that I cannot get rid off.  AAGGHHH !!! you can say that again

[ejm]

Obitus, on Feb 18 2006, 12:35 PM, said:

You must be smoking something, games like project gotham racing 3, kameo, condemed, PDZ all look fantastic. Who cares if FN3 is a demo, it is a great demo that looks awesome and plays well too, definitely a must buy for the majority of people that have tried it. Don't use wow and ps2 in the same sentence, PS2's games look horrible for the most part, a jagged aliased mess. It has a lot of good games, but it also has a lot of horrid looking games, some of those being the good games. Apart from a handful of titles, PS2 underdelivered in a major way on a visual standpoint. I sold my PS2 about a year ago, and I'm quite glad with that decision as the original xbox was quite a bit better.

As for being biased, I just love games and gaming in general, and 360 delivers in a big way in my opinion. Launch titles are never going to be as amazing as those titles that come out after, because generally they are rushed to make the launch, and developers don't know the hardware inside out, but these launch titles are really quite fun and look fantastic. On top of this though you have the improved XBLA with fantstic arcade titles and great XBL functionality, not to mention the marketplace where you can download new game demo's and other items for 360. No, 360 is all that they've claimed it to be so far, it does deliver. You'll just be missing out, that is all.

Thats your oppinion.

When the PS2 did come out everyone was like WOW, it was the best out and just like the 360 the first. Then the Xbox come along and shat all over the PS2. Starting to sound a bit like the X360 and PS3 isn't it.

The part where you stated about the FN3 demo, think of the demo sony showed us at E3, that was great but it was a demo movie and the final product of that game will not be as good as the demo.

I love great games as well, games like Zelda on N64 is a great game, no game I have played can match it game play wise.

I know that launch games are never that 'flash' but you think that MS would have realesed it with a game to show off its true capabilities.

Online gaming has never really interested me so XBL is not really a big factor for me.

"You'll just be missing out, that is all." What wil I be missing out on? I will get my PS3 as soon as it is availible in USA, I know I'll have to wait a few more months but it will be worth it and then you'll be one on missing out not me.

[DavoNogo]

bingk6, on Feb 18 2006, 01:40 PM, said:

Exactly right. How stupid is it for Microsoft to launch the 360 into the Australian market, going on about its  HD capabilities when the best that most people can get out of it is 576p??

Would you rather they NOT advertise HD at all and omit HD just like they did with the original XBox? I most certainly would hope not!

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dkmaj[/b]]ahhh but it is a BIG prob, most if not all crt based HDTV, be it rear projection or not, cannot display 720P, they have the option only of 576i/576p/1080i, all the sony and panas arent able to display 1080i at 60 only 50, and i have had it confirmed now that MS XBOX 360 will only 1080i at 60. Im very unimpressed, not sure what to do!?!?!?!.....AAGGHHH

Regarding CRT/RPTV's, did you know that LCDs and Plasmas completely smashed the former displays in sales last year? Where CRTs declined by 33%, Plasmas and LCDs rose up by 219% and 92%, respectively. You can find the numbers on the front page of the DBA site, or straight from the source - http://www.widescreentv.info/

And I sure hope you're not referring to the Sony, Rank or Panasonic HD CRTs, as they can all support 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p and 1080i natively. With the Sony, it can accept and support 480i60, 480p60, 576i50, 576p50, 720p50, 720p60, 1080i50 and 1080i60, all without a hitch. Some CRTs will also take a 720p signal, but upscale it to 1080i or downscale it to 576p. Either way, it will still ACCEPT the signal, and whether the display resolves it completely or not is up to the end-user's research and choice in their display and is NOT Microsoft's fault at all.

[shinrai]

ejm, on Feb 18 2006, 01:49 PM, said:

Thats your oppinion.

When the PS2 did come out everyone was like WOW, it was the best out and just like the 360 the first. Then the Xbox come along and shat all over the PS2. Starting to sound a bit like the X360 and PS3 isn't it.

The part where you stated about the FN3 demo, think of the demo sony showed us at E3, that was great but it was a demo movie and the final product of that game will not be as good as the demo.

I love great games as well, games like Zelda on N64 is a great game, no game I have played can match it game play wise.

I know that launch games are never that 'flash' but you think that MS would have realesed it with a game to show off its true capabilities.

Online gaming has never really interested me so XBL is not really a big factor for me.

"You'll just be missing out, that is all." What wil I be missing out on? I will get my PS3 as soon as it is availible in USA, I know I'll have to wait a few more months but it will be worth it and then you'll be one on missing out not me.

OH NO, fanboy alert!!  

[dkmaj]

DavoNogo, on Feb 18 2006, 01:43 PM, said:

Would you rather they NOT advertise HD at all and omit HD just like they did with the original XBox? I most certainly would hope not!
Regarding CRT/RPTV's, did you know that LCDs and Plasmas completely smashed the former displays in sales last year? Where CRTs declined by 33%, Plasmas and LCDs rose up by 219% and 92%, respectively. You can find the numbers on the front page of the DBA site, or straight from the source - http://www.widescreentv.info/

And I sure hope you're not referring to the Sony, Rank or Panasonic HD CRTs, as they can all support 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p and 1080i natively. With the Sony, it can accept and support 480i60, 480p60, 576i50, 576p50, 720p50, 720p60, 1080i50 and 1080i60, all without a hitch. Some CRTs will also take a 720p signal, but upscale it to 1080i or downscale it to 576p. Either way, it will still ACCEPT the signal, and whether the display resolves it completely or not is up to the end-user's research and choice in their display and is NOT Microsoft's fault at all.

obviously crt are on the decline big time, dont think that is in debate here, still numerous ones out there that do HD just fine, but as per jerts posting and mine they WILL NOT TAKE a 720P or 1080i @60 at all, if feed one they wont display anything....

[DavoNogo]

Two postings is still no where near what this implies:

dkmaj said:

most if not all crt based HDTV, be it rear projection or not, cannot display 720P

Based on yours and ONE other person's findings, can you really justify saying that MOST if not ALL CRT based HDTV's cannot display 720p?

[Kirium]

I'm reading the manual now for my Sony KVHR32 CRT which tells me it is capable of: 1080i50/60, 720p50/60, 567p50, 576i50, 480p60 and 480i60.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think I own a CRT that can display 720p, and at 60hz. I don't think I'm alone here owning a KVHR either...

[woofett01]

Seeing as this *is* a 360 thread and all, I'd like to bounce something off you knowledable folks.

I have been trying to find whether there is any truth in the rumour that some plasmas exhibit a "delay" between what the inputs and when it is shown on the screen. Naturally this would be disastrous for console gaming.

I have my eye on one of those 42" panasonics (500a? the 42" HD one, anyway). I would be seriously upset if I unwrapped my soon to arrive 360 to discover button presses arrive 1 second later  

Anyone with experience with the panasonic and gaming consoles?

[ejm]

shinrai, on Feb 18 2006, 02:04 PM, said:

OH NO, fanboy alert!!  

Yes I am a bit of a sony fanboy but most people here are Xbox fanboys.

Maybe my expectations for the X360 where a little too high.

[shinrai]

woofett01, on Feb 18 2006, 04:53 PM, said:

Seeing as this *is* a 360 thread and all, I'd like to bounce something off you knowledable folks.

I have been trying to find whether there is any truth in the rumour that some plasmas exhibit a "delay" between what the inputs and when it is shown on the screen. Naturally this would be disastrous for console gaming.

I have my eye on one of those 42" panasonics (500a? the 42" HD one, anyway). I would be seriously upset if I unwrapped my soon to arrive 360 to discover button presses arrive 1 second later  

Anyone with experience with the panasonic and gaming consoles?

Depending on your plasma and the processing applied through componenet or vga.

You won't notic a delayed of 20ms in single player games and i doubt in mutliplayer either.

But this is not a topic for this thread.

[DavoNogo]

I was part of the minority that saw the PS2 as it was when it was first released - shite.

The cross-platform games just proves that.. The PS2 and Gamecube always get worse graphics (compared to the Xbox and PC) and sound (no Dolby Digital 5.1 like the Xbox, instead they only get Pro Logic II).

Also, the exclusive games just go to show that using the PS2 as the format of choice is just wrong. Look at the Grand Theft Auto series for example. GTA III ran like a dog on PC, and didn't really improve that much in terms of visual splendour. There are other little quibbles, which I won't get into here, but let's just say the PS2 should just stay in the grave where it belongs. Bring on the PS3!! (and with it, better looking and sounding games that'll rival PCs for a change). They've got the gameplay nailed down, it's time to make it look pretty

[detect]

ejm, on Feb 18 2006, 01:49 PM, said:

When the PS2 did come out everyone was like WOW, it was the best out and just like the 360 the first. Then the Xbox come along and shat all over the PS2. Starting to sound a bit like the X360 and PS3 isn't it.

No it's not sounding like that at all. Both the XBOX and PS3 this time around are different. The main thing being Microsoft has built the 360 around Xbox Live! Sony is relying mostly on it's brand recogintion and blu-ray compatibility. If you haven't experienced what Live! has to offer then you can't really understand how much it adds to the gaming experience. Being able to download the Fight Night Demo months before it's actually released is a great feature, it's effectively try before you buy. Also, Xbox Arcade is a perfect avenue for developers to make games based on gameplay rather than graphics. They are releasing a Live! version of Street Fighter II soon with added features for online play... Microsoft was smart with that because users will feel less need to mod it to play roms if you deliver the old games with added features.

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The part where you stated about the FN3 demo, think of the demo sony showed us at E3, that was great but it was a demo movie and the final product of that game will not be as good as the demo.

Um, remember it is a _playable_ demo, not a movie.

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Online gaming has never really interested me so XBL is not really a big factor for me.

Online gaming is where the future is at. No doubt about it. That's why Sony has made a last minute decision to include some type of online capability to the PS3.

[Bronx19]

ejm, on Feb 18 2006, 05:58 PM, said:

Yes I am a bit of a sony fanboy but most people here are Xbox fanboys.

Maybe my expectations for the X360 where a little too high.

Most people on here are Xbox fanboys?

Because its actually on the market and people are talking about it?

[ejm]

Bronx19, on Feb 19 2006, 11:27 AM, said:

Most people on here are Xbox fanboys?

Because its actually on the market and people are talking about it?

Is it on the market in Aus yet?

[Bronx19]

ejm, on Feb 19 2006, 11:39 AM, said:

Is it on the market in Aus yet?

In a few days it is in Aus, I was refering to other countries.

Just because people are talking about it, doesnt make them fanboys.

[DavoNogo]

Bronx19, on Feb 19 2006, 01:43 PM, said:

In a few days it is in Aus, I was refering to other countries.

Not till 23rd of March!

[Jert]

Seeing that I cant get 720p and 1080i on my panasonic 300A CRT (pissed off) I plugged my 360 into my LCD monitor.... Static screens looked amazing and details was great, however whenever there is alot of motion on the screen (ie moving around quickly in COD2) the screen has a slight "blurring / sloshing affect" which takes away some of the flare.

I then plugged it into my brothers 17" CRT monitor and it looked awesome, with no blurry affects at all.

Is this a general problem with LCD monitors and TV's in general?? Is it also the same with Plasmas?

I was looking at buying a good LCD (maybe Bravia V) but if the "blurry affect" remains, then I wont bother.

[DavoNogo]

Jert, on Feb 19 2006, 07:18 PM, said:

Is this a general problem with LCD monitors and TV's in general??

It'll depend on the response time of the monitor. Some people recommend a minimum of 8ms to see no visible ghosting, whilst others swear by 4ms. Then there's the difference between Grey-to-Grey and Black-to-Black.

SED displays will have a response time of 1ms, given that the technology is based on a combination of CRT's and Flat Panel Displays.

Oh and for future reference, it's called "ghosting".

[Jert]

DavoNogo, on Feb 19 2006, 08:07 PM, said:

SED displays will have a response time of 1ms

What is SED displays? Are there any recommendations for current LCD TV's / Monitors that do not have this ghosting issue?

[AndrewW]

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What is SED displays? Are there any recommendations for current LCD TV's / Monitors that do not have this ghosting issue?

I have the AWA 81cm LCD from Big W, and with my softmodded xbox running at 480P/720P I can see no noticeable ghosting, and the picture looks awesome.  This is with the offical HD component cables.

Andrew.

[shinrai]

Okay okay, pre ordered at HN near me. They had a kiosk there but only had a 20” widescreen. What a **** size.

I also took extended warranty for an extra 3 years (4 total) for $89. HN warranty. What do you recon on the warranty? $30 a year aint bad.

Anyway. Apparently only preorders are being filled. No shelf stock for a while yet.

[DavoNogo]

Jert, on Feb 19 2006, 09:28 PM, said:

What is SED displays? Are there any recommendations for current LCD TV's / Monitors that do not have this ghosting issue?

http://en.wikipedia....emitter_display

I suggest you go through the external links if you want to find out more information about the technology.

AndrewWilcockson, on Feb 19 2006, 10:55 PM, said:

I have the AWA 81cm LCD from Big W, and with my softmodded xbox running at 480P/720P I can see no noticeable ghosting, and the picture looks awesome.  This is with the offical HD component cables.

Different people will give out different information regarding ghosting. Some people notice it, yet on the same display, other might not. Your opinion on a display is only good for one person - yourself.

[scottchicken]

Hi all,

I have a Loewe Xelos 5381ZW (I *think* thats the model - it's an 81cm CRT anyway) with the VGA module card.  So even though it is not a HDTV, I have found by using the PowerStrip application to setup custom display timings (resolutions and refresh rates) I have been able to experience non-SD resolutions from VGA.

Will I be able to use the Xbox360 VGA cable to connect to my CRT TV even though it is not HD?

[Paranoid666au]

I was under the asumtion that most LCD and plasma displays suported 720p and 1080i at 60Hz.

I have a PAL 360 from Europe and there is no option in the dashboard for 50Hz HD modes. The Australian console will most likely be the same.

Video options are:

PAL 50Hz/60Hz
480p 60Hz
720p 60Hz
1080i 60Hz