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[DavoNogo]

murcod, on Feb 10 2006, 08:44 AM, said:

I don't know about other states, but I was watching CH7 HD last night here in Adelaide and it had a barely-there, see-through water mark.

It's not the normal watermark that's causing everyone grief, it's the watermark they use during sports broadcasts like the Tennis, which was completely opaque, but then later changed to an every so slightly translucent (you couldn't completely see through it, so it wasn't transparent) watermark.

The upcoming Winter Olympics is going to start this flaming against the networks all over again...

[mxlaser]

DavoNogo, on Feb 10 2006, 10:20 AM, said:

It's not the normal watermark that's causing everyone grief, it's the watermark they use during sports broadcasts like the Tennis, which was completely opaque, but then later changed to an every so slightly translucent (you couldn't completely see through it, so it wasn't transparent) watermark.

The upcoming Winter Olympics is going to start this flaming against the networks all over again...

Yeah, also the commonwealth games as well... as well as F1 and all the footie this season too... Pretty much 7 and 9 NEVER get watched on mine. Any TV series are on the xbox its only sport thats an issue, but i'l avoid them if they don't sort out the logos.

Not that i've ever had an issue, its just more principle than anything else.

[Remorhaz]

FYI: I sent a follow up email to Pioneer about my situation - basically it went along the lines of...
I've watched only other shows, dvd's, xbox and other material for the past three weeks and had the screen running with just random static noise (untuned station) for a few hours to try and remove it but whilst it is mostly faded now (and basically not visible during normal viewing unless there is a flat area of colour over the relevant area near the top right of screen) it is still visible if I switch to say an all white screen.

I've checked the hours on the panel now and it is up to 120 hours.

It has seemed to have faded quite a bit since that first day but it is definitely not totally gone so I'm not sure how long I should wait? Obviously Channel 9 have recently changed their logo but I'm still reluctant to watch long term sports (cricket on 9 or tennis on 7) because those channels still have a bright white static logo. This seems a little unreasonable however since quite a bit of the point of getting this large display is to watch these sorts of shows?

As an active forum member (e.g. DBA, XBZ, etc) I've noticed quite a few people with same or similar panels experiencing no problems at all with hours or days of static viewing whereas others like myself have problems with very limited viewing - perhaps it is an inconsistency in production?

and their response:

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Thanks for the update, it usually takes up to a month for these images to disappear totally.
It is preferred in the case mentioned that a moving picture for example channel  7 and 9 etc is to be played because this forces the cell to display different percentages of colour not a random burst of pure white/black. The more colours displayed will move the perception of vision alot quicker. I would recommend to watch movies or standard free to air as this black/white static channel wont do the same job as a proper programmed channels.

This was about a week ago. Since then I've noticed that mine has almost faded to nothing now - even with flat areas of colour now it is very hard to see - sometimes you can't. I tried to take a photograph of the mark with an all white screen but whilst I could "just" see it with the naked eye it doesn't appear in the photo at all. Here's hoping it goes for good

[mchuelio]

Update Update Update!


I've just got a call from the Panasonic service centre and I'm getting a new TV, next week!

It's a long story, but if you do it right, anything is possible!

I didnt mention Image retention, just some other things that I found wrong with it like Dents in speakers and whistle from the right speaker.

Panasonic first rate service so far.

Just wondering guys with the Pana's what your manufacting dates, mine is 7/05.


Keep trucking

Mc  :ph34r:

[pandemik]

mchuelio, on Feb 10 2006, 11:49 AM, said:

Update Update Update!
I've just got a call from the Panasonic service centre and I'm getting a new TV, next week!

It's a long story, but if you do it right, anything is possible!

I didnt mention Image retention, just some other things that I found wrong with it like Dents in speakers and whistle from the right speaker.

Panasonic first rate service so far.

Just wondering guys with the Pana's what your manufacting dates, mine is 7/05.
Keep trucking

Mc  :ph34r:

awesome news mate, let us know how you go with the new panel

(remember to be mindful of run-in period also!!!)

cheers

[Kingswood]

Channel Nine Loose your not so watermark



The new watermark is so large and bold not to mention to centered.

It does catch your eye to often and I will not risk Burn In on my TV.

I now have switched to seven news, and from now will download as much of nines content as possible.

"Example ER now watching S12 E14 no adds DVD picture quality."

Nine this is the future. The internet.

Nine sit up and listen and fix it before the Com Games.

[DavoNogo]

So... anyone watching the Winter Olympics on Seven yet? Any complaints about the opaque watermark?

[msstanmore]

DavoNogo, on Feb 11 2006, 09:16 PM, said:

So... anyone watching the Winter Olympics on Seven yet? Any complaints about the opaque watermark?

It's ***dy bright that's for sure. Worst thing I think is that its in the same area as the filthy nine 'spotlight' so that particular part of our screens will be copping it big time. Ugh.

[:)]

DavoNogo, on Feb 11 2006, 09:16 PM, said:

So... anyone watching the Winter Olympics on Seven yet? Any complaints about the opaque watermark?

opaque ? a bleeding bright red 7 sitting ontop of 5 bright white rings ?

is this what were goign to get for the entire duration of the games ?

can just see all the burn in complaints floodign in already...you think they would have learnt soemthign from the tennis !

what they goign to have for hte commonwealth games ?

[DavoNogo]

btw, I've just noticed during Dark City, the watermark turns off for a split second every few minutes. I'll see if I can make a capture of it after Dark City finishes. This is on Nine HD during an up-convert. I'm not sure about Nine SD, or if it is occuring in other states, or if it'll be a regular thing yet.

[DavoNogo]

Okay, here we go, Nine's vanishing watermark:

http://members.iinet...vonogo/nine.mpg

I guess Nine are doing their bit to help prevent burn in

Now, if they could just permanently make the HD watermark vanish in Sydney...

[daft009]

ch9 has lost me as a viewer.. that hideous watermark which is so huge a blind man could see it and its not even transparent/opaque!

[teacplasma]

Does anybody know why some panels burn in and other's dont. I have a Teac Plasma which I have watched hours of Tennis and Cricket and even have it connected to PC with Windows XP sitting static on it for quite a while and still no burn in ....Anybody know why??? You would think being a cheap panel that it would have Burn in quite bad...maybe??

[pandemik]

DavoNogo, on Feb 12 2006, 01:04 AM, said:

Okay, here we go, Nine's vanishing watermark:

http://members.iinet...vonogo/nine.mpg

I guess Nine are doing their bit to help prevent burn in

Now, if they could just permanently make the HD watermark vanish in Sydney...

nice work recording that MPG

I guess my question is - does a fade-out and fade-in of the nine logo that occurs that quickly, make any difference?? surely the logo would need to vanish for considerably longer to have any actual benefit in terms of reducing risk of burn-in/image retention/un-even pixel "ageing"

cheers

[50MXE20]

teacplasma, on Feb 13 2006, 10:42 AM, said:

Does anybody know why some panels burn in and other's dont. I have a Teac Plasma which I have watched hours of Tennis and Cricket and even have it connected to PC with Windows XP sitting static on it for quite a while and still no burn in ....Anybody know why??? You would think being a cheap panel that it would have Burn in quite bad...maybe??

As you know, it's 0 for 5 in the plasma burn in poll below.

[Enforcer]

I have a Hitachi 42PD8800TA which has the ALIS panel and not a single issue with image retention or burn in.

Probably logged around 600-700 hrs on the panel watching lots of sports fox and cricket and some tennis as well as HD material on FTA.
We did all the right things during the run in period leaving all the settings fairly neutral or quite low and most of are still that way. Also stretch a lot of content but not all to fill screen probably about 60%.

The PQ is actually getting better the more we use it.

The only thing  that is a concern for me is the tiny red foxtell DOT when i use IQ to record a program then can't flick dot off when replaying program.
As I will record all the Nextel cup nascar races I am getting a bit concerned that it might give me some grief.

And when watching fox sports live you cant get rid of the red dot at all !

Like I said no issues at all so far even when the misses leaves the Foxtel menu on tv for an hour or so.

Was is teh carefull running in of the panel or just a good quality panel I don't know but I'm keeping fingers crossed.

cheers

[taz_vista]

hey there

i dont own a plasma yet, but am considering a pana 42px600a, anyway my thought is that while watching things like cricket, why dont you just use the pip function and cover the watermark area or something like that, im not a real expert or anything so i cant say much, but hey thats just a thought...

Taz

[insane79]

Enforcer, on Feb 13 2006, 11:03 PM, said:

I have a Hitachi 42PD8800TA which has the ALIS panel and not a single issue with image retention or burn in.

Probably logged around 600-700 hrs on the panel watching lots of sports fox and cricket and some tennis as well as HD material on FTA.
We did all the right things during the run in period leaving all the settings fairly neutral or quite low and most of are still that way. Also stretch a lot of content but not all to fill screen probably about 60%.

The PQ is actually getting better the more we use it.

The only thing  that is a concern for me is the tiny red foxtell DOT when i use IQ to record a program then can't flick dot off when replaying program.
As I will record all the Nextel cup nascar races I am getting a bit concerned that it might give me some grief.

And when watching fox sports live you cant get rid of the red dot at all !

Like I said no issues at all so far even when the misses leaves the Foxtel menu on tv for an hour or so.

Was is teh carefull running in of the panel or just a good quality panel I don't know but I'm keeping fingers crossed.

cheers

hi i got the same panel, i would like to know wat settings u used for the breakin period for ur panel, as i m in the breakin period for my panels, thanks,

cheers....