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[mchuelio]

Just a quick note guy and girls, be very careful,  I have been hit with a burn in issue with the channel 9 cricket watermark/logo.
I now have the channel 9 watermark/Logo burnt in on my 5 month old Panasonic HD plasma, but only on a white or grey screen, I can cleary see the bloody channel 9 logo.
Its been 2 weeks and its still there, I've got a service guy coming out to look at it Monday morning.
I've been so careful with contrast/Brightness settings still all around 50% and never really leaving a program on to long or pausing dvd's and xbox to a min. The cricket was on for 2-3 hrs Max.

Any thoughts guys, you pay $4500 for a Tv and F*ck me this happens!

Where do you stand on warranty????


Keep trucking!

Mc  :ph34r:

[pandemik]

mchuelio, on Jan 13 2006, 04:12 PM, said:

Just a quick note guy and girls, be very careful,  I have been hit with a burn in issue with the channel 9 cricket watermark/logo.
I now have the channel 9 watermark/Logo burnt in on my 5 month old Panasonic HD plasma, but only on a white or grey screen, I can cleary see the bloody channel 9 logo.
Its been 2 weeks and its still there, I've got a service guy coming out to look at it Monday morning.
I've been so careful with contrast/Brightness settings still all around 50% and never really leaving a program on to long or pausing dvd's and xbox to a min. The cricket was on for 2-3 hrs Max.

Any thoughts guys, you pay $4500 for a Tv and F*ck me this happens!

Where do you stand on warranty????


Keep trucking!

Mc  :ph34r:

eeeeeek - thanks for the warning.

I often watch the cricket for similar amounts of time (if not longer). Also played xbox games for several hours that have health/status indicators in static position - had not noticed any issues to date, might have a closer look 2night (just to be sure!

I have about 800hrs total on my panel to-date, which ive had for about 5 months also (Fuji 50" 40-series, which uses Pana glass)

I do recall another panasonic user on here that that the same issue, but I think their issue was much more severe (had watched the cricket less, and the burn-in was more obvious) - cant recall how that turned out (try doing a search..?)

let us know how you go with yours?

cheers

[teacplasma]

Im really paraniod with mine. I noticed the 9 logo was alot brighter than normal when the cricket was on so I made sure to keep flicking channels, Price we pay to have these Panels I guess.

[pandemik]

teacplasma, on Jan 13 2006, 04:27 PM, said:

Im really paraniod with mine. I noticed the 9 logo was alot brighter than normal when the cricket was on so I made sure to keep flicking channels, Price we pay to have these Panels I guess.

yeah but I was not so concerned because there is an add-break every 6 balls, so no logo (perhaps ad break not long enough to help)..?

also, with the score in the top-left, there are a lot of shots, replays, stat-screens etc etc where the score is not on the screen... which I guess (and hope) should help to some degree

but yes, I am a bit paranoid also

[Typhoon]

MC,

This is the second time this has happened to you.  I remember you posting a warning after Bathurst.

We watch a similar amount of sport to you, for similar amounts of time, though with a bit of channel surfing every now and then.

Touch wood, hasn't happened to us.  We are on 78 Contrast and 64 brightness now too.

Maybe your panel is more prone to burn-in?  If it were me, I'd be pushing for a replacement?

Good luck.

[mchuelio]

Typhoon, on Jan 13 2006, 04:38 PM, said:

MC,

This is the second time this has happened to you.  I remember you posting a warning after Bathurst.

We watch a similar amount of sport to you, for similar amounts of time, though with a bit of channel surfing every now and then.

Touch wood, hasn't happened to us.  We are on 78 Contrast and 64 brightness now too.

Maybe your panel is more prone to burn-in?  If it were me, I'd be pushing for a replacement?

Good luck.

Bathurst was ok, only lasted a few hrs, but the Channel 9 cricket logo, has caused me drama's, I still havent unleashed the full power of the panasonic, with increasing settings and all that!


Mc  :ph34r:

[Krix]

I wonder how it would go down if you charged channel 9 for the service fee of the technician.  Afterall it is there static not part of the feature presentation logo that has caused the problem.  The channels want you to watch them yet they also damage tv's with there watermarks.  What to do?

[pgdownload]

Krix, on Jan 13 2006, 04:47 PM, said:

I wonder how it would go down if you charged channel 9 for the service fee of the technician.  Afterall it is there static not part of the feature presentation logo that has caused the problem.  The channels want you to watch them yet they also damage tv's with there watermarks.  What to do?

Well TV stations have been broadcasting for a long time. Seem's someone designed a TV that couldn't handle what was being broadcast (and charged people a sload to by it). I'd suspect you'd have better luck complaining to the manufacturers. Some one did suggest maybe the networks could go to a 'revolving' water mark that scrolled around the screen? Surely that should make everyone happy

Regards

Peter Gillespie

[Simon]

I am a fellow plasma owner, but I have to agree with Peter.  The blame for burn-in lies entirely with the TV, not the TV station.

However, I do find watermarks are an annoyance as a viewer.  Ch 9 are to be commended for having such a feint watermark when the cricket isn't on.  Wouldn't it be nice if they used that feint one all the time?

[mxlaser]

pgdownload, on Jan 13 2006, 04:54 PM, said:

Well TV stations have been broadcasting for a long time. Seem's someone designed a TV that couldn't handle what was being broadcast (and charged people a sload to by it). I'd suspect you'd have better luck complaining to the manufacturers. Some one did suggest maybe the networks could go to a 'revolving' water mark that scrolled around the screen? Surely that should make everyone happy

Regards

Peter Gillespie

I just don't get this...

I've had the cricket on, ALL day and for days and never even had image retention... Then, i'm now so confident in my pana i've left a pasued screen on the xbox for 6 hours, and still no burnin, minor image retention that went after an hour or so. That was a complete static image...

You've been damn unlucky and its strange seeing as i find it damn near impossible (without being stupid) to have any image retention let alone burn in

[teacplasma]

Mxlaser...just curious do you work in a Electrical outlet.  You seem to have access to alot of plasma's and STB

[mxlaser]

teacplasma, on Jan 13 2006, 05:14 PM, said:

Mxlaser...just curious do you work in a Electrical outlet.  You seem to have access to alot of plasma's and STB

LOL, no im just fussy and have a lot of contacts that do work their

Went through a patch of bad panels... Ended up being a bit of a plasma whore seeing as in a 4 months period bought 5 plasma's      Took 3 back, kept one, sold one. 2 we're faulty, one was the Pana HD that i knew they'd take back if it wasnt better than the SD... That was only because the Prop for the HN is a good friend.

STB's just a case or take back and change if faulty..

I work closely a lot sometimes with the industry on every level of the companies, but it also teaches you how to deal with some of them too, so swapping, replacing things isnt an issue when thats the case.

Think i was the self confessed plasma whore Which means i've learnt its true.. Size does matter

Edited by mxlaser, 13 January 2006 - 04:20 PM.

[Bronx19]

I watched the cricket for 4-5 hours straight and mine doesnt seem to retain any marks.

[PersianImmortal]

For me the Pana HD has been damned near burn-in/retention proof. I've watched hundreds of hours of movies, 4:3 TV, left it on Channel 10 with its logo for a couple of hours (with ads in between), and not once have I seen any image retention last longer than a minute or two, and even then it's been so feint it's almost invisible unless on a black background with the lights off. At any time when I switch on the set there is absolutely zero image retention visible, and never any during the watching of any film or TV. Maybe some of us are just lucky.

Edited by PersianImmortal, 13 January 2006 - 09:09 PM.

[mxlaser]

PersianImmortal, on Jan 13 2006, 10:08 PM, said:

Maybe some of us are just lucky.

Or one of us repeatedly unlucky.

EVeryone on here and all over raves on about how impossible it is to permantly burn any image onto the Pana's and they reputed as one of the the best for anti burn, and yet after whats supposed to be 2-3 hours of cricket at half brightness/contrast (mines set at 42B/74C so bright) using xbox and having a health bar in the same place for 6 hours straight never had a single burnt image...

Damn unlucky is all i can say

[PersianImmortal]

I will say that during the first 100 hours I did take special care of it - I kept contrast and brightness to 50%, watched everything in full screen/zoomed mode so no black bars appeared, and I'd leaving it running for hours on the Ten and Nine HD loops (no station logos) to break in the set.

[Leonidas]

Thats gotta suck.

I really want lcd now.

[murcod]

mchuelio, on Jan 13 2006, 03:42 PM, said:

Where do you stand on warranty????

Have a read through your warranty paperwork (and possibly on the Panasonic website?) I know Pioneer specifically say they won't cover claims for burn in on their site....

[knet1k]

Interesting, one of the "experts" on this forum was telling everybody that burn in is a non issue with these panels.

[mxlaser]

CLJ, on Jan 14 2006, 08:34 PM, said:

Interesting, one of the "experts" on this forum was telling everybody that burn in is a non issue with these panels.

Interesting NO ONE else posted has had ANY burn in at all... whatso ever doing the same things as the OP did...

Funny indeed.

pandemik, on Jan 13 2006, 04:21 PM, said:

eeeeeek - thanks for the warning.

I often watch the cricket for similar amounts of time (if not longer). Also played xbox games for several hours that have health/status indicators in static position - had not noticed any issues to date, might have a closer look 2night (just to be sure!

I have about 800hrs total on my panel to-date, which ive had for about 5 months also (Fuji 50" 40-series, which uses Pana glass)

Typhoon, on Jan 13 2006, 04:38 PM, said:

We watch a similar amount of sport to you, for similar amounts of time, though with a bit of channel surfing every now and then.

Touch wood, hasn't happened to us.  We are on 78 Contrast and 64 brightness now too.

Bronx19, on Jan 13 2006, 09:21 PM, said:

I watched the cricket for 4-5 hours straight and mine doesnt seem to retain any marks.

PersianImmortal, on Jan 13 2006, 10:08 PM, said:

For me the Pana HD has been damned near burn-in/retention proof. I've watched hundreds of hours of movies, 4:3 TV, left it on Channel 10 with its logo for a couple of hours (with ads in between), and not once have I seen any image retention last longer than a minute or two, and even then it's been so feint it's almost invisible unless on a black background with the lights off. At any time when I switch on the set there is absolutely zero image retention visible, and never any during the watching of any film or TV. Maybe some of us are just lucky.

As said by all these other "forum experts" as you put it. Isn't it common sense to assume that its likely to more be a case of a faulty panel, as its CLEARLY not a common issue amongst other owners.

Edited by mxlaser, 14 January 2006 - 07:45 PM.

[mungo brush]

Extract clipping from today's SMH  .....

"Burnt by those TV logos
By Edmund Tadros
January 23, 2006 - 12:07PM

Channel logos can be bad for your plasma TV's health.
The station icons that so outraged viewers when they were first introduced to sit permanently  in the corner of the TV screen, could now prove costly - though the odds are long.
Plasma screens can be damaged by "burnt in" images if they are tuned to the same picture continually.
An ABC spokeswoman said the station has had only had a handful of complaints about the problem.

"Many plasma screens have built-in features which are designed to reduce burn-in, so it's also beneficial to refer to the user manual."
The advice comes amid a report that a Sydney man spent $3000 on a new set to watch the Boxing Day Test only to see a permanent Channel Nine logo burnt into the corner of his screen after five days.

"If all the settings are up on full, then burn in could occur quite easily."
He said Dick Smith had received no complaints, and David Ackery, Harvey Norman's general manager of electrical goods, said their stores had had no complaints either.

Some plasma televisions reduce  the chances of burning by moving images by a pixel or two during operation, so the screen is not static."

[BlaCkAdDa]

Well,
Our TV seems to have a nice channel 7 sport logo in the rh top corner now.
Only had the Panasonic 42" 500A HD panel about 2 weeks and have been watching a bit of tennis but not that much.

My settings arent on full either, they're on standard with contrast about 71 and everything else lower.

I'm soo mad!

The logo is clearly visible at the moment when you turn the tv on or off (before you get picture)... any ideas what I can do about this?

[mxlaser]

BlaCkAdDa, on Jan 24 2006, 10:40 PM, said:

Well,
Our TV seems to have a nice channel 7 sport logo in the rh top corner now.
Only had the Panasonic 42" 500A HD panel about 2 weeks and have been watching a bit of tennis but not that much.

My settings arent on full either, they're on standard with contrast about 71 and everything else lower.

I'm soo mad!

The logo is clearly visible at the moment when you turn the tv on or off (before you get picture)... any ideas what I can do about this?

Yeah, you could of read the numerous posts regarding any plasma and breaking them in for the first 100-200 hours. Having contrast/brightness set to 50 or below. Your contrast is as high as mine with over 150 hours on my panel.

So its obvious why its happened.

More than likely its still temporary. Personally i'd stretch and image to completly fit the screen (like the seven loop) and leave it playing all day when your out for a few days, should clear the marks right up, having other images move the pixels. Obviously doing this then continueing to watch the tennis with such high settings will only make the problem worse.

Drop the contrast to 50, and have a moving image on the screen for as long as possible during the days. Will remove any image retention. (i still don't believe current top panels will PERMANTLY burn in, as was shown by the OP's panel having a white image on the screen to remove it. It that was a CRT theres NOTHING you can do to remove burn in once its there.. so it is still only IMAGE RETENTION

[DavoNogo]

I reckon you should drop the contrast below 50... setting it to anything above 50 within the first few weeks is just asking for trouble.

[Peter D]

My Hitachi 8800 is 6 weeks old, and I have picture mode set to Cinema without any other picture adjustment. Have been watching almost nothing but Tennis for past 2 weeks. I've just turned it on without any video source, and I can't find any hint of any retained image anywhere. I was expecting to see the Seven logo knowing it would disappear when watching something else for a few minutes.