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 Jul 11 2005, 07:54 AM
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DTV Forums Member  Group: Member Posts: 1,006 Joined: 23-October 04 From: Williamstown Vic Member No.: 6,226  |
QUOTE (stickeylabel @ Jul 10 2005, 07:57 PM) Cricket Extra is being broadcasted again in seven qld (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . In my opinion channel seven should instead of showing highlights of the game, they should go through all the other views live. This would be far more useful. From what I have read Sky sports in the uk gets around 8 different multiviews on different channels. Here in Australia, with are limited bandwidth they could for example, show the view from the audience for 30 seconds, then a view from the wickets for 30 seconds, etc. This would be far more beneficial than a highlights channel. Well at least channel seven are actually broadcasting Cricket Extra in seven qld (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) .  I have a different viewpoint. The highlights are just what I wanted. Not being a total cricket desperate, I didn't watch every ball. The when I woke up about 1am, and decided I'd like to see what happened. There it was, every wicket, and the better shots. Back to sleep a happy camper. |
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Jul 11 2005, 03:32 PM
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DTV Forums Member Group: Member Posts: 663 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Queensland Member No.: 9,942 |
Is seven allowed to have 3 multiview channels? Because if there are allowed by the governement they could, for example:
7 - main channel (5.5 mbps) plus alternate commentry selection on the audio list on the STB eg. - commentry 1 (eng) - commentry 2 (eng) 71 - highlights channel (4.5 mbps) 72 - alternate view channel (4.5 mbps) 73 - statistics channel (4.5 mbps) They could get all these extra channels direct from sky sports in the uk. This is probably not going to happen for another few years or until we get mhp stb's in australia. |
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Jul 11 2005, 08:09 PM
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DTV Forums Member  Group: Member Posts: 2,094 Joined: 8-September 03 From: Inner Melbourne Member No.: 708 |
QUOTE (stickeylabel @ Jul 11 2005, 03:32 PM) Is seven allowed to have 3 multiview channels? Because if there are allowed by the governement they could, for example: 7 - main channel (5.5 mbps) plus alternate commentry selection on the audio list on the STB eg. - commentry 1 (eng) - commentry 2 (eng) 71 - highlights channel (4.5 mbps) 72 - alternate view channel (4.5 mbps) 73 - statistics channel (4.5 mbps) They could get all these extra channels direct from sky sports in the uk. This is probably not going to happen for another few years or until we get mhp stb's in australia. My understanding is that "Programme Enhancements" under the Govt regulations would allow this. During the Rugby World Cup, I recall Seven had a stats channel and an alternate commentary channel. Basically two in addition to the main channel. I don't think MHP would need 4.5 Mbps to provide just data, dunno how the MHP would interact with the live video channels. As to your suggestion about receiving stats data from Sky, well there'd be a couple of things potentially affecting this. 1. Sky may well charge a bit extra. 2. The content may not be suitable for Australia (phone numbers, competitions, time, sponsors etc) 3. Each extra feed from the UK, via satellite/fibre would cost significantly extra amounts to get to Australia just for satellite/data feeds. That's probably why they do their own feed, got control over content and look and ensure it is relevant and branded for local conditions. Cheers JB |
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Jul 11 2005, 08:32 PM
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DTV Forums Member Group: Member Posts: 663 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Queensland Member No.: 9,942 |
Well at least theres hope (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . At least seven are broadcasting Cricket Extra, unlike nine and ten who provide enhancements rarely. I just hope seven provide something more for the 2006 Winter Olympics than they did last year during the 2004 Athens Olympics.
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Jul 11 2005, 10:58 PM
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DTV Forums Member  Group: Member Posts: 254 Joined: 18-August 03 From: Townsville Member No.: 123 |
QUOTE (stickeylabel @ Jul 11 2005, 08:32 PM) Well at least theres hope (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . At least seven are broadcasting Cricket Extra, unlike nine and ten who provide enhancements rarely. I just hope seven provide something more for the 2006 Winter Olympics than they did last year during the 2004 Athens Olympics. i believe the 2004 Olympics broadcasts were limited by what the host broadcaster provided.... Hopefully we'll see some better technology used in the next Olympics (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Jul 12 2005, 07:39 AM
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DTV Forums Member Group: Member Posts: 663 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Queensland Member No.: 9,942 |
QUOTE (mcpaton @ Jul 11 2005, 10:58 PM) i believe the 2004 Olympics broadcasts were limited by what the host broadcaster provided.... Hopefully we'll see some better technology used in the next Olympics (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'm sure the 2008 Beijing Summer Olympics will be in widescreen and in HD, but I'm not sure about the 2006 Torino Winter Olympics due to the fact it is in Italy. I'm not sure if Italy even has digital equipment. Probably NBC will use thieir HD equipment to give us 16x9 pictures. |
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Jul 12 2005, 08:18 PM
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DTV Forums Member Group: Member Posts: 2,094 Joined: 8-September 03 From: Inner Melbourne Member No.: 708 |
QUOTE (stickeylabel @ Jul 12 2005, 07:39 AM) I'm sure the 2008 Beijing Summer Olympics will be in widescreen and in HD, but I'm not sure about the 2006 Torino Winter Olympics due to the fact it is in Italy. I'm not sure if Italy even has digital equipment. Probably NBC will use thieir HD equipment to give us 16x9 pictures. It's got very little to do with what Italy "has". These sorts of events are run by an international company which specialises in sports broadcasting, and equipment is supplied from hire companies which have branches around the world. While Italy may or may not transmit digital TV, the production equipment is largely digital these days. Cheers JB |
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Jul 13 2005, 09:48 AM
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DTV Forums Member Group: Member Posts: 663 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Queensland Member No.: 9,942 |
QUOTE (John_Barber @ Jul 12 2005, 08:18 PM) It's got very little to do with what Italy "has". These sorts of events are run by an international company which specialises in sports broadcasting, and equipment is supplied from hire companies which have branches around the world. While Italy may or may not transmit digital TV, the production equipment is largely digital these days. Cheers JB So it's most likely that the 2006 Torino Winter Olypmics will be in 16x9. And even if seven gets a HD feed it will we in 576p. Well at least Torino will have 16x9 instead of 4x3 at Athens (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . |
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Jul 13 2005, 08:31 PM
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tas tv man,
WIN TV news may be good, but in regional WA they use TEN Perth news which comes from Sydney! GWN (Prime) does a local WA regional bulletin AlanH |
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Jul 13 2005, 10:19 PM
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DTV Forums Member Group: Member Posts: 2,249 Joined: 12-October 03 From: Perth Member No.: 1,182 |
QUOTE (stickeylabel @ Jul 11 2005, 06:32 PM) At least seven are broadcasting Cricket Extra, unlike nine and ten who provide enhancements rarely. At least Nine and Ten provide HD. |
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Jul 13 2005, 10:55 PM
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DTV Forums Member Group: Member Posts: 663 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Queensland Member No.: 9,942 |
QUOTE (Champion_R @ Jul 13 2005, 10:19 PM) At least Nine and Ten provide HD. Why can't Nine and Ten provide both HD and enhancements? Most Sport are only SD at best so there shouldn't be a bandwidth problem. Can't they switch HD off when they provide an enhancement and turn it back on when they finish the enhancement like seven does? |
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Jul 13 2005, 11:22 PM
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DTV Forums Member Group: Member Posts: 2,249 Joined: 12-October 03 From: Perth Member No.: 1,182 |
QUOTE (stickeylabel @ Jul 13 2005, 08:55 PM) Why can't Nine and Ten provide both HD and enhancements? Most Sport are only SD at best so there shouldn't be a bandwidth problem. Can't they switch HD off when they provide an enhancement and turn it back on when they finish the enhancement like seven does? A. There is no 1080i upconversion which sucks because I am forced to watch SD rubbish B. Some broadcasters stuff it up so the HD doesn't always come back on after the event. C. Gets rid of an incentive to present sports in HD |
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Jul 14 2005, 02:48 AM
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DTV Forums Member  Group: Member Posts: 333 Joined: 10-April 05 From: sydney Member No.: 9,682 |
in relation to the olympics.. seven is a part of the olympics brpadcasting authority so therefore they had a say in what feed was sent out.. they did hd for the opening and closing ceremoney but 4:3 feed the whole two weeks.. hopefully more nations who are digital capable step up and say no we want widescreen hd. that will make them do it
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Jul 14 2005, 07:49 AM
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DTV Forums Member Group: Member Posts: 617 Joined: 13-November 04 From: TAS Member No.: 6,609 |
QUOTE (alanh @ Jul 13 2005, 08:31 PM) tas tv man, WIN TV news may be good, but in regional WA they use TEN Perth news which comes from Sydney! GWN (Prime) does a local WA regional bulletin AlanH I didn't say that WIN news was good i said that Southern Cross News was 10 times better and that SC10 should restart there news and run it like southern cross news Tasmania |
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Jul 14 2005, 08:25 AM
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DTV Forums Member Group: Member Posts: 663 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Queensland Member No.: 9,942 |
QUOTE (freighttrain @ Jul 14 2005, 02:48 AM) in relation to the olympics.. seven is a part of the olympics brpadcasting authority so therefore they had a say in what feed was sent out.. they did hd for the opening and closing ceremoney but 4:3 feed the whole two weeks.. hopefully more nations who are digital capable step up and say no we want widescreen hd. that will make them do it Even if seven gets a HD feed it will be in 576p. But if seven just gets a 16x9 SD feed at least it will be better than Athens. Will seven provide Olympics Extra for the 2006 Torino Winter Olympics like they did for Athens? |
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Jul 14 2005, 08:32 AM
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DTV Forums Member Group: Member Posts: 663 Joined: 22-April 05 From: Queensland Member No.: 9,942 |
QUOTE (Champion_R @ Jul 13 2005, 11:22 PM) A. There is no 1080i upconversion which sucks because I am forced to watch SD rubbish B. Some broadcasters stuff it up so the HD doesn't always come back on after the event. C. Gets rid of an incentive to present sports in HD When there is a HD sport broadcast that the channel has a HD feed for, and the channel broadcasts 1080i I would prefer a 1080i HD channel for the sport broadcast. But in other cases where the channel does not have access to a HD feed and/or doesn't provide 1080i HD, then an enhancement in my opinion would be better as multiview channels for sport are also an incentive in the uptake of digital tv in Australia. |
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Jul 17 2005, 10:14 PM
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DTV Forums Member Group: Member Posts: 204 Joined: 10-April 05 From: Inner Melbourne Member No.: 9,687 |
Agreed. Most people who buy into digital are doing so because of the extra channels and features, not because it looks nice if you have $5,000 to spend on an HD television.
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Jul 18 2005, 09:16 AM
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DTV Forums Member Group: Member Posts: 617 Joined: 13-November 04 From: TAS Member No.: 6,609 |
QUOTE (Vzzzbx @ Jul 17 2005, 10:14 PM) Agreed. Most people who buy into digital are doing so because of the extra channels and features, not because it looks nice if you have $5,000 to spend on an HD television. I agree to |
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Jul 18 2005, 10:12 AM
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DTV Forums Member  Group: Senior Member Posts: 3,587 Joined: 6-October 03 From: Perth Member No.: 1,076 |
QUOTE (stickeylabel @ Jul 14 2005, 06:25 AM) Even if seven gets a HD feed it will be in 576p. But if seven just gets a 16x9 SD feed at least it will be better than Athens. Will seven provide Olympics Extra for the 2006 Torino Winter Olympics like they did for Athens? Seven's 576p of the closing/opening ceremonies showed some of the best 576p I've seen from them. If they just raised the bitrate, it would have been a reasonable broadcast. Looking at the 1080i NBC original though - there's no contest there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) |
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