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[oztheatre]

Prior, on 18 June 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

Great review Al.
I'm still using my trusty old hd750, and it's still a magnificent projector (last of the Japanese made units). If I was more inclined  towards 3D, I'd upgrade, but as I'm not,  this projector will do me for some time to come.

Welcome to the club Al!

By the way,  the high end models have stayed about the same price. My 750 was $10k rrp at the time,  and it's replacement,  the x90 is about the same,  but there's 3 models in the range now. Whereas back then there was only 2.

Cheers,
Chris

4 models now, x35 - 1080 non e-shift model, x55 @ $6500, x75 @ $8600 and x95 @ $11,500.

I wonder what the next models are going to be like?
What's left to 'fix'? If the colour is spot on then it really leaves motion, brightness and contrast right? Could do with a better warranty too.
Maybe a true 4K from JVC next?
8K? 16K? where does it end?

[Owen]

Whats left to fix?

Contrast, contrast, contrast, contrast and genuine 4k with 4k input.

[oztheatre]

Owen, on 18 June 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

Whats left to fix?

Contrast, contrast, contrast, contrast and genuine 4k with 4k input.

I'll take perfect motion over improved contrast anyday.

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Prior, on 18 June 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

Great review Al.
I'm still using my trusty old hd750, and it's still a magnificent projector (last of the Japanese made units). If I was more inclined  towards 3D, I'd upgrade, but as I'm not,  this projector will do me for some time to come.

Welcome to the club Al!

By the way,  the high end models have stayed about the same price. My 750 was $10k rrp at the time,  and it's replacement,  the x90 is about the same,  but there's 3 models in the range now. Whereas back then there was only 2.

Cheers,
Chris

thanks chris, yes your right the top models have stayed up there in price its just that the base model has become a lot cheaper and within reach to many.

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oztheatre, on 18 June 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

4 models now, x35 - 1080 non e-shift model, x55 @ $6500, x75 @ $8600 and x95 @ $11,500.

I wonder what the next models are going to be like?
What's left to 'fix'? If the colour is spot on then it really leaves motion, brightness and contrast right? Could do with a better warranty too.
Maybe a true 4K from JVC next?
8K? 16K? where does it end?

I suspect true 4K will come and as early as next year ! but price might also go up to match ! '

whats left to fix. I would like better out of box as sony and epson seem to manage.

3D could be improved, I imagine theyd keep on with improvements on brightness and contrast.

oztheatre, on 18 June 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

I'll take perfect motion over improved contrast anyday.

agree

[Owen]

oztheatre, on 18 June 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

I'll take perfect motion over improved contrast anyday.

I dont have any problem with the motion performance of my X3 JVC so I wouldn't pay $10 to improve whats not broken. The motion trails of the old 750 where banished with the X series.
Remember, 24fps video is blurry as hell in motion, nothing the projector can do to fix that.

The black level or lack there of is blatantly obvious in dark scenes, it needs to improve ten fold or more before I would be satisfied. That and 4K are the only things that would entice me to buy another projector.

I am sure 4k will come, but much better contrast is highly unlikely.

Edited by Owen, 18 June 2013 - 08:23 PM.

[cashflag]

I think a more subtle frame interpolation mode could possibly help with the 24fps judder. I found the lowest setting on my TW9000 worked quite well, without an obvious "soap opera" effect, and I typically disable those kinda features. But nobody ever noticed it I had it on, including some fellow skeptics, although I could tell it was definitely smoothing things out a bit.

The x35's equivalent, however, is too distracting - even on its lowest setting.

[Owen]

Don't assume the lowest modes is the least intrusive, on my X3 its definitely not.

The X3 has 4 Clear Motion Drive modes plus Inverse Telecine. Modes 1 and 2 are useless, as is mode 4. Mode 3 however works perfectly, it reduces the normal jitter of film without making it look like 60Hz video and makes panning shots noticeably clearer. Win win.

I'm not a big fan of motion interpolation but mode 3 just works with no issues, I have not felt any need to disable it.

I find it hard to believe the X35 has gone backwards so test the other modes, one should work.

[Chopsus]

The X35 has off, inverse telecine, hi and low ... I don't mind inverse telescene but have seen some pretty bad tearing with it ... My wife notices all of the CMD settings and hates them all.

Edited by Chopsus, 18 June 2013 - 11:38 PM.

[Brad Cl]

If we ever get a laser RGB source, contrast should improve significantly, as the source has much better entendue, meaning that the optics will perform better.

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oztheatre, on 18 June 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

I'll take perfect motion over improved contrast anyday.

Agree

[Owen]

I'm curious what about motion you guys think needs improving.
We can have 24fps source that looks jittery just the way it should without frame interpolation, or we can have a smoother more video like look with frame interpolation on.

In the end the video source is the major limitation, not the projector.

[cwt]

:), on 18 June 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

whats left to fix. I would like better out of box as sony and epson seem to manage.

3D could be improved, I imagine theyd keep on with improvements on brightness and contrast.

If they change the refresh rate for the 3d glasses  Al to let more light in Ide be sorely tempted And anything that improves globe longevity or an alternative  laser /led hybrid light path that's been coming forever  .. And I  know its not the best 3d but better 2d>3d conversion like the mitsubishi's look to have .Oh and 144hz refresh like Benq can manage for a lot less spondoolicks ..

[mazman]

To me, the motion in 3D is not as smooth as 2D, its good but i can tell the smoothness is better in 2D...is it just me or just most non dlp projectors?( i havent seen 3D on dlp but from reading its meant to be pretty much perfect).
So i'd like that part improved and more projectors with lens memory.
I have a tw9000

Edited by mazman, Today, 07:13 PM.

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cwt, on 20 June 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

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If they change the refresh rate for the 3d glasses  Al to let more light in Ide be sorely tempted And anything that improves globe longevity or an alternative  laser /led hybrid light path that's been coming forever  .. And I  know its not the best 3d but better 2d>3d conversion like the mitsubishi's look to have .Oh and 144hz refresh like Benq can manage for a lot less spondoolicks ..

hi cwt have no doubt if they sort out the 3D with a faster refresh panels it will probably sort the motion as well. I dare say they are both linked as pjs with faster panels like epsons are better with motion and 3D. I'll say even though havent even got my jvc yet. but  if next year jvc do a refresh with faster panels and this is tried and proven I'd be happy to upgrade again

[Owen]

mazman, on 20 June 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

To me, the motion in 3D is not as smooth as 2D, its good but i can tell the smoothness is better in 2D...is it just me or just most non dlp projectors?( i havent seen 3D on dlp but from reading its meant to be pretty much perfect).
So i'd like that part improved and more projectors with lens memory.
I have a tw9000

Motion interpolation is normally not available in 3D on most projectors, that would explain what you see.
Motion interpolation is an "effect", the original 24fps source dose not look like that.
The faster the response time of the display system the more jittery the motion and the more need for motion interpolation to smooth it out, so "fast" is a two edged sword, useful for 3D but not very helpful for 2D.

Edited by Owen, Today, 07:39 PM.