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[yojovo]

I know OLED is more expensive, but it must be worth the money. It can't make the value that high without having good features. What would you choose?

[GSpot]

New technologies are expensive because they're new, not necessarily because they're better. They have R & D to recoup. People may pay a premium because of the novelty factor even though existing technologies may be better at this moment in time. If the new tech is better, it may only be marginally so and the price difference may largely be due to the factors mentioned.

So it depends.

[pgdownload]

yojovo, on 13 July 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

I know OLED is more expensive, but it must be worth the money. It can't make the value that high without having good features.

That's marketing 101. Apply a high price tag and many people will instinctively feel it has much higher worth. Think back to the first 5 years or so of flat screen panels. People paying $5000-$15000 for panels that had much worse picture quality than a good CRT.

Without having seen OLED in action I can already say its not all that much better than a nice $1000 plasma or LCD. How? Because looking at the current tech is not far removed from looking out a window. The main limitation of PQ at the moment is the quality of the source.

Sure some people are AV purists and will get satisfaction out of the 10% or so improvement some new technology will bring (blacks that are slightly blacker etc.) and that's fine. However for 95%+ of the population the current crop of flat panels provides excellent PQ for a relatively a low price.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

[jsmith]

yojovo, on 13 July 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

I know OLED is more expensive, but it must be worth the money. It can't make the value that high without having good features. What would you choose?

OLED mate... Peter is wrong TBH, OLED is going to blow LCD and plasma away.

Read some info online here about the OLED panels that have been displayed at CES.

That said the 55" OLED panels by Samsung and LG will be very expensive to begin with. You may be better getting something for now to tide you over for a few years until they come down substantially.

JSmith

[jliang70]

yojovo, on 13 July 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

I know OLED is more expensive, but it must be worth the money. It can't make the value that high without having good features. What would you choose?

I am just wondering what sort of feature they would have that will warrant a price hike that is two times as high as a good 60 inch plasma TV.  For me the most important factor is performance and price.  No, I would not choose until I see one in action and it has better PQ than a 60 inch plasma at a far more affordable price.

[pgdownload]

jsmith, on 13 July 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

Peter is wrong TBH, OLED is going to blow LCD and plasma away.

I've no doubt OLED is an incremental improvement in current panel technology, but as for blowing away existing tech that seems unlikely. Plasma and LCD did blow away CRTs, helped buy the introduction of 16:9, HD and the general change to digital TV - oh and they were thin and >42"). However those conditions are no longer in play. People have already moved back to buying a new TV to simply replace a broken one, rather than buying new tech more often to get improved performance. As such manufacturers are going to have much more difficulty bringing the OLED price down as the world's Western population isn't ditching their perfectly good existing TVs wholesale this time around.

Current pricing puts a 55" oled TV as five times better than its plasma/lcd equivalent. That's obviously a laughable comparison. Even if manufacturers get the pricing down (and its a big if IMO) towards say twice a good as LCD I suspect most people will rather take the family on a trip to Fiji and buy the 'lesser' panel (or just keep the one they already have).

But I could be wrong and 2015 could be the year we see endless amounts of plasma's dumped on the side walk.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

Edited by pgdownload, 13 July 2012 - 04:39 PM.

[myrantz]

jliang70, on 13 July 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

I am just wondering what sort of feature they would have that will warrant a price hike that is two times as high as a good 60 inch plasma TV.  

Gloat factor for a successful narcissist - it's a feature a lot will pay good money for.

pgdownload, on 13 July 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

I've no doubt OLED is an incremental improvement in current panel technology, but as for blowing away existing tech that seems unlikely.

Hopefully you're wrong.. I've only ever seen the small OLED sony thingy, and that's bloody amazing..  So many years has gone since then and I'm still patiently waiting for this.

Hopefully it will scale up well.. It's no question OLED is excellent in a controlled environment of showroom and trade shows with controlled content.... The question is how well it'd do in the HT environment?

Already there's white OLED vs RGB LED, so your prediction is actually looking very good right now , but I still hope you're wrong ..... Done right the OLED is not just an incremental improvement..

[jsmith]

pgdownload, on 13 July 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

I've no doubt OLED is an incremental improvement in current panel technology, but as for blowing away existing tech that seems unlikely. Plasma and LCD did blow away CRTs, helped buy the introduction of 16:9, HD and the general change to digital TV - oh and they were thin and >42"). However those conditions are no longer in play. People have already moved back to buying a new TV to simply replace a broken one, rather than buying new tech more often to get improved performance. As such manufacturers are going to have much more difficulty bringing the OLED price down as the world's Western population isn't ditching their perfectly good existing TVs wholesale this time around.

Current pricing puts a 55" oled TV as five times better than its plasma/lcd equivalent. That's obviously a laughable comparison. Even if manufacturers get the pricing down (and its a big if IMO) towards say twice a good as LCD I suspect most people will rather take the family on a trip to Fiji and buy the 'lesser' panel (or just keep the one they already have).

But I could be wrong and 2015 could be the year we see endless amounts of plasma's dumped on the side walk.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

I know and agree with most of what your saying, which is why I told the OP he may be best to get something now and wait for them to become more reasonable.

The general punter may not be keen to spend alot on new tech., but enthusiasts such as ourselves and the OP may...

To an enthusiast the quality of image will very easily apparent.

JSmith

[pgdownload]

myrantz, on 13 July 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

Gloat factor for a successful narcissist - it's a feature a lot will pay good money for.

As long as when you're showing it off to neighbours they don't chuckle and think you've been taken for a ride by the salesman. The 3mm screen will probably have an inherent wow factor though.

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To an enthusiast the quality of image will very easily apparent.

Agree, and for them it will be money well spent (but even for them I imagine most will be waiting till well into 2013 for a bit of a price drop.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

[ajm]

I would probably wait and see how they compare and if the improvements (if any) are worth the premium - to me.

YMMV.

[Owen]

Since current good TV's perform 95% as well as any display ever could when properly set up I fail to see how any new technology with "blow away" what we have now or what was available 4 years ago.
No way a first generation OLED will be perfect so it can only be a very small overall improvement and pretty much only in one area, black level in a dark room.

In a showroom I expect people are going to wonder what the fuss is all about as showrooms aren't dark and the average consumer has never given a rats arse about black level in a dark room, if they did Pioneer would have made a fortune out of their Kuro plasma TV's and LCD would be dead.

TV's above about $4k just dont sell in any volume and in the current economic climate a $10k TV is going to be a VERY hard sell even if its perfect and OLED sure wont be. It's yet to be seen if it can even compete with the current class leaders for overall performance, no new technology ever has in the past.

Those interested in "Home Cinema" should be looking at good projectors, no 55" TV will ever resemble a cinema.

Edited by Owen, 13 July 2012 - 09:15 PM.

[puffyhuff]

OLED. Hands down the best quality TV technology ever. I saw LG's OLED at one of the tech shows and it was very impressive. Idk where LG has been this whole time.. I think I'm gonna have to go with LG's if I had to choose. But like others said on this thread, OLED is going to eliminate LEDs and Plasmas in the next few years for sure.

[myrantz]

puffyhuff, on 16 July 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

OLED. Hands down the best quality TV technology ever. I saw LG's OLED at one of the tech shows and it was very impressive. Idk where LG has been this whole time.. I think I'm gonna have to go with LG's if I had to choose. But like others said on this thread, OLED is going to eliminate LEDs and Plasmas in the next few years for sure.

What's idk? Is that the white OLED you saw, or the traditional ones???  Also what size did was that LG OLED?

[Owen]

puffyhuff, on 16 July 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

OLED. Hands down the best quality TV technology ever. I saw LG's OLED at one of the tech shows and it was very impressive. Idk where LG has been this whole time.. I think I'm gonna have to go with LG's if I had to choose. But like others said on this thread, OLED is going to eliminate LEDs and Plasmas in the next few years for sure.

I suspect you are easily pleased mate. How exactly does LG's OLED outperform current LCD and Plasma displays other than black level? Can it even compete in other areas of performance?
LG has never made a top class TV and I doubt they have any inclination to do so, even if they know how.

Edited by Owen, 16 July 2012 - 09:51 PM.

[pgdownload]

myrantz, on 16 July 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

What's idk?

I don't know either.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

Edited by pgdownload, 17 July 2012 - 08:58 AM.

[myrantz]

Owen, on 16 July 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

I suspect you are easily pleased mate. How exactly does LG's OLED outperform current LCD and Plasma displays other than black level? Can it even compete in other areas of performance?

So you've seen a OLED and don't like it?

Not just black levels, OLED is pretty good at that. Looking at a OLED screen it seems to work well under very bright conditions and overall IMO it's just better in every way.. (Not sure why I don't get that same feeling with AMOLED, I've been quite out of touch with tech these days and didn't bother to find out the difference between the two)... I guess I just have very low standards when it comes to video , but I was really really pleased with OLED... The current crop have to wait and see.

Owen, on 16 July 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

LG has never made a top class TV and I doubt they have any inclination to do so, even if they know how.

I agree with you on this, LG never made a top class TV, neither did Samsung IMO.. And now they're both coming up with OLED... sigh... Having own both LG and Samsung TVs so far, I must say their Australia support is appalling! The TV's they made are far from perfect to begin with, and then made worse by their crappy support...

pgdownload, on 17 July 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

I don't know either.

Funnily enough that came to me in my sleep last night.. lol.. Thanks for that confirmation ... Must learn all this new Internet lingo....

[jsmith]

Owen, on 16 July 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

I suspect you are easily pleased mate. How exactly does LG's OLED outperform current LCD and Plasma displays other than black level? Can it even compete in other areas of performance?
LG has never made a top class TV and I doubt they have any inclination to do so, even if they know how.

I hate to say it Owen, but you being very negative mate about a product that is exciting the rest of us. I would have expected differently, but hey life's full of unexpected events.

I've never been a Lucky Goldstar fan either, but let's just see what they come up with here... I think it could be a winner.

I would then ask if you can't be positive or at least constructive about OLED tech then please refrain from commenting in the relevant threads. The rest of us are trying to get excited about a product which has the whole industry a buzz. I would imagine you've heard the buzz, alas choose to ignore it... 'sup to you.

Here are some articles from CNET about how the LG was awarded the top prize at CES and other related views from CES reviewers.

Quote from here;

"In many ways the 55EM9600 is the "spiritual successor" to the legendary Pioneer Kuro. Until we have a chance to check out the Samsung OLED panel, this LG easily sets the new benchmark in terms of TV picture quality and slim design."

JSmith

[puffyhuff]

myrantz, on 16 July 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

What's idk? Is that the white OLED you saw, or the traditional ones???  Also what size did was that LG OLED?

IDK = I Don't Know
It was the white OLED and 55 inch one that I saw. LG doesn't make traditional OLED TVs anymore which is why I like it more.

[pgdownload]

jsmith, on 17 July 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

I would then ask if you can't be positive or at least constructive about OLED tech then please refrain from commenting in the relevant threads. The rest of us are trying to get excited

I agree general trash talk helps no one, but members shouldn't shy away from posting a frank assessment of a technologies limitations. I think all posters (in this thread) agreed OLED will be appreciated by serious AV aficionados. However comments like 'blown away' are misleading IMO to members wanting to ask questions like yojovo has here and should be tempered.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

[puffyhuff]

Owen, on 16 July 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

I suspect you are easily pleased mate. How exactly does LG's OLED outperform current LCD and Plasma displays other than black level? Can it even compete in other areas of performance?
LG has never made a top class TV and I doubt they have any inclination to do so, even if they know how.

Not really.. I got the same exact impression on the OLED as when plasmas came out while everyone still had their CRTs. I just knew it's a new technology that's not going anywhere for a while.
First of all, the deeper black level, hence sharper image, is obviously one of the factors that make OLED better. I personally thought their design was really nice. I heard only OLED TVs can be that thin because they don't need an extra layer for backlight. Also, OLED is eco friendly if you're into that lol. And I think I mentioned all the things you need in a TV.

[myrantz]

puffyhuff, on 17 July 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

IDK = I Don't Know
It was the white OLED and 55 inch one that I saw. LG doesn't make traditional OLED TVs anymore which is why I like it more.

Sorry for all the questions.... Since you're the few that actually saw recent OLED in action - In what ways is white OLED better than RGB?

Price is probably cheaper, and probably no blue OLED issues? Anything else?

Been so long since I kept up to date, didn't realised I'm quite behind on the OLED front... How accurate is the colours with this white OLED technology? (Probably all the answers could be found via google somewhere )...

[pgdownload]

myrantz, on 17 July 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

Sorry for all the questions.... Since you're the few that actually saw recent OLED in action - In what ways is white OLED better than RGB?

Its probably not, but if you're going to avoid getting sued for violating a patent you have to come up with a different way of doing the same thing

Looking at the description of the tech it appears to be the equivalent of putting a stocking over the camera lens (i.e. diffuses and smooths out the image a bit). In particular WOLED apparently makes the hue graduations smoother when looking at the TV at a wide angle (if you're sitting on a couch in front of an OLED TV then WOLED or OLED will look pretty much the same)

Regards

Peter Gillespie

[myrantz]

pgdownload, on 17 July 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

Its probably not, but if you're going to avoid getting sued for violating a patent you have to come up with a different way of doing the same thing

Looking at the description of the tech it appears to be the equivalent of putting a stocking over the camera lens (i.e. diffuses and smooths out the image a bit). In particular WOLED apparently makes the hue graduations smoother when looking at the TV at a wide angle (if you're sitting on a couch in front of an OLED TV then WOLED or OLED will look pretty much the same)

Cool thanks for that... All these new tech, so hard to keep up with events ...

[jsmith]

pgdownload, on 17 July 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

I agree general trash talk helps no one, but members shouldn't shy away from posting a frank assessment of a technologies limitations. I think all posters (in this thread) agreed OLED will be appreciated by serious AV aficionados. However comments like 'blown away' are misleading IMO to members wanting to ask questions like yojovo has here and should be tempered.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

That's the problem Peter, it's not frank at all and is simply an opinion. The "experts" however have seen these panels and are not employed by the companies, thus have no reason to be lying. I have seen the smaller OLED screens and the PQ was jaw dropping to say the least.

The negative comments by a certain member stifle positive discussion on the issue and make some members feel they shouldn't post at all or risk being flamed... not fair at all to imply an opinion is an absolute.

Have you see one yet? I think "blown away" is quite apt.

JSmith

[jsmith]

myrantz, on 17 July 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Cool thanks for that... All these new tech, so hard to keep up with events ...

Read the links if you have time...

JSmith