48 replies to this topic

[alanh]

11:30pm the 31st of May 2012 Channel 44 Adelaide has switched off its analog signal
Continuing is CTS channel 30. This is the existing digital transmitter and the transmissions use logical channel number 44.

Now there are no analog community TV transmissions in Australia.

AlanH

[GoForMoe]

alanh, on 08 June 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

Now there are no analog community TV transmissions in Australia.

Can you advise when LINC TV Lismore switched to digital transmission?

[alanh]

LINC TV closed down a few years ago.

Alan

[nbound]

Im not entirely sure thats the case:
http://web.acma.gov....ENCE_NO=1171615

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Date of Effect 13-JUL-11
Date of Expiry 12-JUL-12

And is still listed in the latest licensed broadcaster listings:

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CTV68 Community TV 807.198 H DA 6k 28 46 34 153 17 12 1171615
Broadcast Site Dunoon Rd TULLERA

The wikipedia page isnt cited, but was created Sept 2011 (by myself), and seems to suggest otherwise (added by another user) also:

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... so LINC TV has ceased commissioning new content and may be off the air early next year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LINC_TV

Any source on that Alan?

Edited by nbound, 08 June 2012 - 09:27 PM.

[GoForMoe]

alanh, on 08 June 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

LINC TV closed down a few years ago.

Alan

Interesting, they should probably tell ACMA at some point- they are still listed as one of the three temporary community TV licensees, and their transmitter is still listed on the list of analogue community TV transmitters, which I'll reproduce here:

Ali Curung	ACT66	793.25	Community
Amata	ACT66	793.25	Community
Aurukun	ACT66	793.25	Community
Badu Island	ACT64	779.25	Community
Balgo	ACT66	793.25	Community
Bamaga	ACT66	793.25	Community
Barunga	ACT63	772.25	Community
Bathurst Island	ACT66	793.25	Community
Beagle Bay	ACT66	793.25	Community
Beagle Bay	ACT66	793.25	Community
Beswick	ACT69	814.25	Community
Blackstone (WA)	ACT69	814.25	Community
Boigu Island	ACT66	793.25	Community
Bulman	ACT65	786.25	Community
Coconut Island	ACT66	793.25	Community
Coonana	ACT66	793.25	Community
Cosmo Newberry	ACT66	793.25	Community
Daguragu	ACT63	772.25	Community
Darnley Island	ACT66	793.25	Community
Dauan Island	ACT65	786.25	Community
Djarindjin	ACT65	786.25	Community
Doomadgee	ACT63	772.25	Community
Ernabella	ACT66	793.25	Community
Finke	ACT66	793.25	Community
Fregon	ACT66	793.25	Community
Galiwinku	ACT66	793.25	Community
Gununa	ACT63	772.25	Community
Hermannsburg	ACT63	772.25	Community
Hope Vale	ACT66	793.25	Community
Imanpa	ACT66	793.25	Community
Indulkana	ACT63	772.25	Community
Injinoo	ACT64	779.25	Community
Jameson (Mantamaru)	ACT69	814.25	Community
Jigalong	ACT66	793.25	Community
Kalumburu	ACT66	793.25	Community
Kanpa	ACT66	793.25	Community
Karilywara	ACT66	793.25	Community
Kintore	ACT66	793.25	Community
Kiwirrkurra	ACT66	793.25	Community
Kowanyama	ACT63	772.25	Community
Kubin	ACT65	786.25	Community
La Grange	ACT66	793.25	Community
Lajamanu	ACT63	772.25	Community
Lismore	CTV68	807.198	Community TV Trial
Lockhart River	ACT63	772.25	Community
Looma	ACT66	793.25	Community
Mabuiag Island	ACT66	793.25	Community
Maningrida	ACT66	793.25	Community
Milikapiti	ACT66	793.25	Community
Milingimbi	ACT65	786.25	Community
Minjilang	ACT66	793.25	Community
Murray Islands	ACT66	793.25	Community
New Mapoon	ACT58	737.25	Community
Ngukurr	ACT69	814.25	Community
Numbulwar	ACT66	793.25	Community
Oenpelli	ACT66	793.25	Community
Oombulgurri	ACT66	793.25	Community
Palumpa	ACT66	793.25	Community
Papunya	ACT65	786.25	Community
Peppimenarti	ACT63	772.25	Community
Pmara Jutunta	ACT66	793.25	Community
Pormpuraaw	ACT66	793.25	Community
Pularumpi	ACT63	807.25	Community
Ramingining	ACT66	793.25	Community
Saibai Island	ACT66	793.25	Community
Santa Teresa	ACT65	786.25	Community
Seisia	ACT65	786.25	Community
St Pauls	ACT66	793.25	Community
Stephens Island	ACT65	786.25	Community
Sue Island	ACT64	779.25	Community
Tjirrkarli	ACT69	814.25	Community
Tjukurla	ACT66	793.25	Community
Tjuntjuntjara	ACT66	793.25	Community
Umagico	ACT59	744.25	Community
Umbakumba	ACT65	786.25	Community
Wadeye	ACT63	772.25	Community
Wanarn	ACT66	793.25	Community
Warakurna	ACT66	793.25	Community
Warburton (WA)	ACT69	814.25	Community
Warmun	ACT65	786.25	Community
Warruwi	ACT66	793.25	Community
Wingellina	ACT66	793.25	Community
Woorabinda	ACT66	793.25	Community
Wujal Wujal	ACT66	793.25	Community
Yam Island	ACT65	786.25	Community
Yandeearra	ACT66	793.25	Community
Yandeearra	ACT66	793.25	Community
Yirrkala	ACT66	793.25	Community
Yorke Islands	ACT66	793.25	Community
Yuelamu	ACT65	786.25	Community
Yuendumu	ACT66	793.25	Community
Yungngora	ACT66	793.25	Community

Via http://www.acma.gov....DARD/pc=PC_9150

Edited by GoForMoe, 08 June 2012 - 09:14 PM.

[alanh]

Try
http://www.linctv.org.au/index.php
The advertising rates are for 2003.

The digitalready website result for Tullera indicates all of the transmissions for that site. All government and commercial broadcasters are on air. There is no mention of community TV. These are shown in results for all mainland state capital cities.

It would appear that the ACMA information is very out of date.

Go for Moe
http://www.community...v-stations.html
http://www.nitv.org.....cfm?loadref=68 shows that the ACT stations are terrestrial repeaters of the NITV satellite service.

AlanH

[nbound]

alanh, on 08 June 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:

Try
http://www.linctv.org.au/index.php
The advertising rates are for 2003.

All that proves is they havent kept their site upto date. Theres a broken link from 2009 aswell. But unless a more definitive source is found, we'll need someone from Lismore to confirm whether CTV68 is broadcasting or not

alanh, on 08 June 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:

The digitalready website result for Tullera indicates all of the transmissions for that site. All government and commercial broadcasters are on air. There is no mention of community TV. These are shown in results for all mainland state capital cities.

It has never been disputed that LINC TV was not transitioning to digital. What we are interested in is whether or not LINC TV is still broadcasting, or has recently (within 6-12 months).

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Do we have anything that states that LINC TV has shutdown?

Edited by nbound, 08 June 2012 - 10:43 PM.

[GoForMoe]

alanh, on 08 June 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:

Go for Moe
http://www.community...v-stations.html

From that very site:  

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Licence Areas and Station Information

For further information on individual stations, including contact details and to check if you're within a Community TV licence area, select the station from the list below.

Community Television Licencees
Brisbane
Melbourne
Sydney

Trial Community Television Broadcasters
Adelaide
Perth
Lismore (Further information not currently available)

I'm not saying it is on air or operating, but for all the official sources to say it is, then it would seem a strange oversight - especially for their licence to keep being renewed.

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http://www.nitv.org.....cfm?loadref=68 shows that the ACT stations are terrestrial repeaters of the NITV satellite service.

In analogue, licensed as community TV services.

The reason I bring this up is because there is little confirmed path to digital for a lot of these stations - sure NITV on SBS might make a lot of these transmitters redundant - but these services have seemingly been left out of all channel planning, in the hope that some solution comes before the end of 2013.

Edited by GoForMoe, 08 June 2012 - 11:13 PM.

[alanh]

GoForMoe
The decisions on all community TV after the end of 2013 are yet to be announced.
The digital restack will mean that all the LCN 44s will have to move from UHF to either;
an new transmitter on channel 10 or be muxed with SBS on channel 7.

It looks highly likelyor that NITV will be transmitted to all Australians through SBS either terrestrially or free to air satellite.

AlanH

[GoForMoe]

alanh, on 09 June 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

The decisions on all community TV after the end of 2013 are yet to be announced.

Which is my point - highlighting other examples of how the transition has been mishandled. If LINC TV is indeed off air, then the failures of a secure path to digital television is a large part of the cause.

[alanh]

Goformoe,
How can Linc TV be on air when it went broke years ago well before digital TV was a threat in the North Coast of NSW.
In Perth the demise of ACCESS 31 was caused by a big takeup of DTV. It went broke to be replaced by West TV on digital.

Note: MGV32 Melbourne

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Date of Effect  13-JAN-12
Date of Expiry 12-JAN-13
Special Conditions
1. The transmitter operating under this licence may be used only to provide a transmission in standard definition digital mode.
2. The licensee must not transmit more than one standard definition program stream.
3. The licensee must not permit any person to use any excess multiplex capacity.
The licensee is subject to Parts 1 and 2 of the Radiocommunications Licence Conditions (Broadcasting Licence) Determination.
The licensee is subject to section 4 of part 1, and parts 2, 3 and 4 of the Radiocommunications Licence Conditions (Apparatus Licence) Determination 2003, as in force from time to time. For this special condition, the reference to paragraph 107(1)(f) of the Act in part 2 of the Determination should be read as a reference to paragraph 109(1)(f) of the Act. Copies of this determination are available from the Operations Branch, ACMA, Canberra or from the ACMA home page (www.acma.gov.au).

Perth WTW32 Expiry 30 June 2013, the same date as the analog switchoff
Adelaide CTS30 Expiry 04 June 2012
Sydney TSN29 Expiry 19 March 2013
Brisbane CTQ38 Expiry 31 July 2012

AlanH

[nbound]

We have already linked the latest broadcast license info from LINC. Can you provide ANYTHING that says theyve shut down prior to 2011/12

Edited by nbound, 10 June 2012 - 10:18 AM.

[nbound]

(double post)

Edited by nbound, 10 June 2012 - 10:15 AM.

[BamBBBam]

alanh, on 09 June 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

In Perth the demise of ACCESS 31 was caused by a big takeup of DTV.

Really? Where did you get that from?

It was a lack of funding, combined with financial mismanagement according to news articles.

It wasn't directly replaced either - there was more than a year gap between the end of Access 31 and the launch of WTV.

[alanh]

BamBBBam
At that time there was a considerable number of STBs which could not receive their signal. As people channel surf on the STB remote control they will not see any of Access TV. In addition the ACMA would not licence an DTV transmitter for them. The were trying to buy one. I do not dispute that they had money troubles but no one was prepared to throw in more money with a deccreasing audience caused by the move to DTV. You will note that WTV was not required to buy an analog channel 31 transmitter making West TV the first digital only Australian community TV station.

It took a year for the ACMA to find a new licencee for the community channel and for the setup time.

AlanH

Edited by alanh, 10 June 2012 - 01:16 PM.

[GoForMoe]

alanh, on 09 June 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

How can Linc TV be on air when it went broke years ago

Why would LINC renew their licence if they weren't? I'm not saying either way - like you I don't live in Lismore. But what I can do is look at the broadcast transmitter list and see the allocation for the LINC service.

[BamBBBam]

alanh, on 10 June 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

BamBBBam
At that time there was a considerable number of STBs which could not receive their signal. As people channel surf on the STB remote control they will not see any of Access TV.
AlanH

I'm still confused by your comment alanh.

As you say, they were never on digital.. so how would they be affected by problems with STB's. Are you saying that people use stb's to receive analog signals?

[alanh]

BamBBam
Access 31 was only available on analog TV. When many people plug the antenna into the set top box and the STB into the HDMI or composite video input. This makes analog reception not possible so Access 31 cannot be viewed. Similarly in digital TV, mostly the viewer has to press a button to change to analog and then similarly to return to digital.

So I am not saying people use stbs to receive analog signals, I am saying the reverse, you cannot reveive analog signals on an STB.

AlanH

[Smacca]

Wow, I had no idea.

[nbound]

Any luck finding anything regarding LINC's shut down alanh?

Edited by nbound, 12 June 2012 - 07:09 PM.

[alanh]

nbound,

I don't exactly know why it closed, however a little before this there was another country community analog station in Mt Gambier SA which closed some months before it. As I posted previously the last price list for advertising was in 2003 and this is a vital necessity for any non public funded broadcaster. This was before the country rollout of DTV.

AlanH

[nbound]

A quick google shows they were operating years after 2003. And absolutely nothing regarding shut down (plenty for mt gambier  though) also doesnt explain why their license has been continually renewed. From memory a stipulation of the community license is that they must provide a service. No service = no license.

[MLXXX]

In a 2010/11 report by Community Broadcasting Foundation Ltd, http://www.cbf.com.a...Report_2011.pdf, a community television station in Lismore is mentioned:

3 aspirant community television stations (Perth, Adelaide and Lismore) operating with trial licences.

I presume that this would be the same Lismore based TV station as that being discussed in this thread.

Perhaps someone interested could simply phone LINC TV in Lismore on their listed number and find out the current status. And could confirm whether the schedule of programmes shown on the website is actually being broadcast.

[alanh]

MLXXX,
You are closest, so why don't you?

AlanH

[MLXXX]

Alanh, I am not the one who made the claim:

alanh, on 08 June 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

Now there are no analog community TV transmissions in Australia.

Despite that, I did – out of a very mild interest – phone the station's number ( ... 9999), shortly after posting #23 above. I heard  an automated message from "Shane", the same name appearing in the email address shown on the LINC TV website.  I am not intending to do more.

Another obvious approach, for anyone interested in eliciting facts about any recent, current, or planned LINC television broadcasting, would be to send an email.

Edited by MLXXX, 14 June 2012 - 12:14 AM.