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[MLXXX]

As this thread has gone way further off-topic than it ought, I'll just paste in wording from the press release referenced at post #1.  This really is excellent news:

Satellite Service to Deliver Digital TV Nation-wide

Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy Senator Stephen Conroy said legislation was today introduced to ensure all Australians would be able to receive the full suite of digital television channels.

On 5 January 2010, Senator Conroy announced the Government would fund a new satellite service to bring digital television to all Australians who cannot adequately receive terrestrial digital television services.

The Broadcasting Legislation Amendment (Digital Television) Bill 2010 provides the legislative framework for the implementation of the new satellite service.  

"The Bill will help broadcasters provide the same number of digital television services to all Australians wherever they live, whether they access television through terrestrial transmission or via satellite," Senator Conroy said.

The amendments will create three new commercial television licence areas specifically for the new satellite service:

• Northern Australia – encompassing the Northern Territory and Queensland
  
• South Eastern Australia – encompassing the Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales, South Australia, Tasmania and Victoria
  
• Western Australia.

"The Bill will dramatically improve the choice and quality of digital television services for regional Australia as we move towards digital switchover," Senator Conroy said.

"The legislation also requires commercial broadcasters to provide all local news and information programs to the satellite service licensee, and will ensure that viewers who rely on satellite are able to access their local news as soon as possible after bulletins commence on the terrestrial channel."

The Government intends to refer this legislation to the Senate Environment, Communications and the Arts Committee immediately, so that it is able to be debated in the Budget sittings.

Date: 18 March 2010

Edited by MLXXX, 22 March 2010 - 07:53 AM.

[GoForMoe]

MLXXX, on Mar 22 2010, 02:05 AM, said:

As this thread has gone way further off-topic than it ought, I'll just paste in wording from the press release referenced at post #1.  This really is excellent news:
[indent=1]Satellite Service to Deliver Digital TV Nation-wide

I've posted my interpretation of the act here: http://www.dtvforum....p...t&p=1524734

While I'm not a lawyer, I think it is much more useful than the vague articles.

[mike_hammer]

Satellite Service to Deliver Digital TV Nation-wide

Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy Senator Stephen Conroy said legislation was today introduced to ensure all Australians would be able to receive the full suite of digital television channels.

On 5 January 2010, Senator Conroy announced the Government would fund a new satellite service to bring digital television to all Australians who cannot adequately receive terrestrial digital television services.

The Broadcasting Legislation Amendment (Digital Television) Bill 2010 provides the legislative framework for the implementation of the new satellite service.  

"The Bill will help broadcasters provide the same number of digital television services to all Australians wherever they live, whether they access television through terrestrial transmission or via satellite," Senator Conroy said.

The amendments will create three new commercial television licence areas specifically for the new satellite service:

• Northern Australia – encompassing the Northern Territory and Queensland
  
• South Eastern Australia – encompassing the Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales, South Australia, Tasmania and Victoria
  
• Western Australia.

"The Bill will dramatically improve the choice and quality of digital television services for regional Australia as we move towards digital switchover," Senator Conroy said.

"The legislation also requires commercial broadcasters to provide all local news and information programs to the satellite service licensee, and will ensure that viewers who rely on satellite are able to access their local news as soon as possible after bulletins commence on the terrestrial channel."

The Government intends to refer this legislation to the Senate Environment, Communications and the Arts Committee immediately, so that it is able to be debated in the Budget sittings.

Date: 18 March 2010

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I was looking for some clarifications to the all FTA channels in All areas quote
So I sent the minister a mail (still awaiting a reply)

I am a Antenna installer and am constantly being asked by my more technically savvy customers if we will be eligible for the black spot program in and around Mount Gambier in SA 5290
The justification would go a little like this...
A media release earlier this year from
Senator the Hon Stephen Conroy
Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy
Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate
Stated
• "All regional Australians will now receive the same television services as people in the cities," said the Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy, Senator Stephen Conroy.
• "This is a fantastic outcome for people in regional Australia, many of whom have received limited television services for many years."
• "This historic decision will dramatically improve the choice and quality of television services for regional Australia as we move towards digital switchover."
• "For the first time all free-to-air digital television services, including the original three commercial and two national channels, as well as new digital services such as ABC2, ABC3, SBS TWO, GO!, 7TWO and ONE HD, will be available to all Australians, no matter where they live."
• "The satellite service will provide regional viewers with access to the local news currently broadcast in their TV licence area via a dedicated local news channel."
A mighty big statement I think you would agree
I believe that we would fall into this category.
Currently
we are able to receive all the ABC and SBS channels (606MHz -Abc1,abc2,abc3,ABCHD) and (616MHz - SBS1,SBS2,SBS and SBS HD)
However our local WIN network affiliate broadcasting on the 557MHz band is currently only offering the channels (557MHz – SA Ten Mount Gambier (ch10), Mt Gambier Nine (ch 9), WIN SA (ch7))
This leaves

The other channels
ONE HD
Nine HD
GO
Seven HD
7Two
ETC
Are unavailable in our area

It is true to say that these channels are available If the correct antennas and Amplifiers are installed and a High and unsightly mounting pole,  installed on the customers roof, from Mount Dundas in Western Victoria  However  these transmitters are not in our designated reception area and only provide a Quality pre cliff edge signal 90 to 95% of the time.  Imagine watching a program and being unable to finish watching this program because climatic changes have affected the signal to such a point that you can’t finish watching it (NO SIGNAL)

Also did I mention the Cost.   A correctly installed antenna system for Mt Dundas reception would cost on average more than $800.00 inc GST

My question to you is will customers in these areas be entitled to install a SAT Dish and decoder and have access to the Encryption cards and would they be entitled to a Government rebate for this install.

Thanks in advance for your response.

[hoody]

mike_hammer, on Mar 28 2010, 11:19 PM, said:

Satellite Service to Deliver Digital TV Nation-wide

Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy Senator Stephen Conroy said legislation was today introduced to ensure all Australians would be able to receive the full suite of digital television channels.

On 5 January 2010, Senator Conroy announced the Government would fund a new satellite service to bring digital television to all Australians who cannot adequately receive terrestrial digital television services.

The Broadcasting Legislation Amendment (Digital Television) Bill 2010 provides the legislative framework for the implementation of the new satellite service.  

"The Bill will help broadcasters provide the same number of digital television services to all Australians wherever they live, whether they access television through terrestrial transmission or via satellite," Senator Conroy said.

The amendments will create three new commercial television licence areas specifically for the new satellite service:

• Northern Australia – encompassing the Northern Territory and Queensland
  
• South Eastern Australia – encompassing the Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales, South Australia, Tasmania and Victoria
  
• Western Australia.

"The Bill will dramatically improve the choice and quality of digital television services for regional Australia as we move towards digital switchover," Senator Conroy said.

"The legislation also requires commercial broadcasters to provide all local news and information programs to the satellite service licensee, and will ensure that viewers who rely on satellite are able to access their local news as soon as possible after bulletins commence on the terrestrial channel."

The Government intends to refer this legislation to the Senate Environment, Communications and the Arts Committee immediately, so that it is able to be debated in the Budget sittings.

Date: 18 March 2010

I was looking for some clarifications to the all FTA channels in All areas quote
So I sent the minister a mail (still awaiting a reply)

I am a Antenna installer and am constantly being asked by my more technically savvy customers if we will be eligible for the black spot program in and around Mount Gambier in SA 5290
The justification would go a little like this...
A media release earlier this year from
Senator the Hon Stephen Conroy
Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy
Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate
Stated
• "All regional Australians will now receive the same television services as people in the cities," said the Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy, Senator Stephen Conroy.
• "This is a fantastic outcome for people in regional Australia, many of whom have received limited television services for many years."
• "This historic decision will dramatically improve the choice and quality of television services for regional Australia as we move towards digital switchover."
• "For the first time all free-to-air digital television services, including the original three commercial and two national channels, as well as new digital services such as ABC2, ABC3, SBS TWO, GO!, 7TWO and ONE HD, will be available to all Australians, no matter where they live."
• "The satellite service will provide regional viewers with access to the local news currently broadcast in their TV licence area via a dedicated local news channel."
A mighty big statement I think you would agree
I believe that we would fall into this category.
Currently
we are able to receive all the ABC and SBS channels (606MHz -Abc1,abc2,abc3,ABCHD) and (616MHz - SBS1,SBS2,SBS and SBS HD)
However our local WIN network affiliate broadcasting on the 557MHz band is currently only offering the channels (557MHz – SA Ten Mount Gambier (ch10), Mt Gambier Nine (ch 9), WIN SA (ch7))
This leaves

The other channels
ONE HD
Nine HD
GO
Seven HD
7Two
ETC
Are unavailable in our area

It is true to say that these channels are available If the correct antennas and Amplifiers are installed and a High and unsightly mounting pole,  installed on the customers roof, from Mount Dundas in Western Victoria  However  these transmitters are not in our designated reception area and only provide a Quality pre cliff edge signal 90 to 95% of the time.  Imagine watching a program and being unable to finish watching this program because climatic changes have affected the signal to such a point that you can’t finish watching it (NO SIGNAL)

Also did I mention the Cost.   A correctly installed antenna system for Mt Dundas reception would cost on average more than $800.00 inc GST

My question to you is will customers in these areas be entitled to install a SAT Dish and decoder and have access to the Encryption cards and would they be entitled to a Government rebate for this install.

Thanks in advance for your response.

I think that if you read the Explanatory memorandum of the bill currently before the Parliament you will find that your question is answered.  


http://parlinfo.aph......plication/pdf[/url]

[mike_hammer]

[quote name='hoody' date='Mar 29 2010, 01:09 PM' post='1529943']
I think that if you read the Explanatory memorandum of the bill currently before the Parliament you will find that your question is answered.  


Thanks for the Tip I have read about half of this document and am trawling my way through the rest.  No doubt the all stations quote will be clarified in this doc

[DrP]

alanh, on Aug 27 2010, 06:19 PM, said:

DrP,
It won't be long before simulcasting will be over despite your protestations! Not only for satellite but terrestrial as well!

AlanH

You really are a clod.  You were the one stating that the new DTH service would not carry the simulcasts.  Everyone else pointed out that it would because the FTAs were going to break the simulcast channels and had announced that fact.  As per usual, you rejected reality and substitued your own fanstasy world.  Well here's the proof that your waffling was once again off target, but I'm sure that won't stop you from posting your usual guff.

alanh, on Mar 18 2010, 02:35 PM, said:

DrP,
You could not have noticed that 7HD and 9HD has stopped putting on different programs to 7 & 9 respectively. ONE HD and ONE are a simulcast.

The ABCHD and SBSHD have always been a simulcasting. So now that all stations are simulcasting it is ideal not to waste data in the satellite broadcasting by simulcasting. So the will mean that the SD copy will not be radiated as it is not necessary in these new generation receiver.

AlanH

Feeling stupid yet?

alanh, on Mar 18 2010, 06:08 PM, said:

Show me where any of the networks are putting on different programs between their main SD channel and their HD channel this year.

How about now?

[alanh]

DrP,
It has just taken a little longer and now it is happening to all networks except for SBS at present. The reason is that all DVB-S2/MPEG-4 satellite receivers and enough terrestrial HD receivers now exist.

If HD satellite receivers were not specified then an upgraded Aurora would have deprived its audience of the different programs available on HD for terrestrial viewers.

AlanH

[Smacca]

DrP,

It's funny how Alan just completely ignores you and moves on. And wouldn't you know it, he managed to throw in "DVB-S2/MPEG-4". Typical.

alanh, on Aug 27 2010, 05:05 PM, said:

DrP,
It has just taken a little longer and now it is happening to all networks except for SBS at present. The reason is that all DVB-S2/MPEG-4 satellite receivers and enough terrestrial HD receivers now exist.

Satellite DVB-S2/MPEG-4 doesn't have anything to do with 7, 9, 10 and ABC's decision to cease the use of HD/SD simulcasts.

alanh, on Aug 27 2010, 05:05 PM, said:

If HD satellite receivers were not specified then an upgraded Aurora would have deprived its audience of the different programs available on HD for terrestrial viewers.

Are you serious? Do you honestly think DrP never knew this? Then again, you always post like you're a preacher, treating everyone like idiots who don't know anything at all about the current state of television in Australia. Get a clue.

[DrP]

It is indeed a bit laughable that alanh was quite clearly and continually stating that the commercial networks were not going to split the HD/SD simulcast channels and restask the HD channel, despite all of them having announced the intention to do so.  His quite clear and continual statements that the new DTH satellite service would not carry the HD/SD simulcasts was equally laughable.

His reference to DVB-S2/MPEG-4 isn't even in a properly formed sentence, also typical of alanh, so who knows what the hell it means but it certainly in no way contributed to the HD/SD simulcasts being split and retasked because the capacity to transmit such was already being demonstrated without the use of DVB-S2/MPEG-4.

alanh, why aren't ABC, PRIME and WIN transmitting MPEG-4 AVC terrestrially as you said they would?

About all alanh is demonstrating here is spectacular levels of cluelessness.  Ultimately alanh bleeping over the bits that don't fit his peculiar view of the world is nothing new, but its still entertaining, especially when he rejigs & rejigs his position in an attempt to bring his oddball statements in line with reality.


To summarise:

alanh:  The FTAs are not splitting up their HD/SD simulcasts
reality:  The FTAs are splitting up their HD/SD simulcasts

alanh: The new DTH service will not carry the simulcasts
reality: The new DTH service is carrying the simulcasts

alanh: ABC, PRIME and WIN will commence MPEG-4 AVC terrestrial transmissions shortly
reality: Its all MPEG-2

Edited by DrP, 30 August 2010 - 06:12 AM.

[DrP]

whoops.

Edited by DrP, 30 August 2010 - 08:17 AM.

[halsboss]

Is alanh from Nein management or one of the others ?

[DrP]

By his posts, he must be from Jupiter, because the stuff he often posts certainly isn't happening on Earth.  

[OzyDave]

QUOTE (alanh @ Feb 25 2010, 10:04 PM) *
The player has to send the decompressed signal on to HDMI with the depth signal taking a separate time slot. The display has to store the image in two sections of RAM. The depth signal is used to move the close objects further apart.


That is a very amusing perception of how 3D is screened. It makes me wonder about how complex the camera system would become, measuring the distances of every object in the frame and recording the data to position each correctly when screened. Makes me wonder what alanh's understanding of binocular vision might be.

[M'bozo]

aBER is a pre-correction measurement

Contextually, this statement is not in error.

[DrP]

I'm struggling to find the context to which you refer.

Is this it?

Edited by DrP, 28 April 2012 - 06:16 PM.

[M'bozo]

I posted a reply that was replaced on my screen with this:



Service Temporarily Unavailable

The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.



Goodnight.

Edited by M'bozo, 28 April 2012 - 07:30 PM.

[bellotv]

Damn M'bozo

Thats one f**ked up avitar dude.

when did that happen ?

[nbound]

Im guessinf around 7pm - the forums die daily at that time

[M'bozo]

DrP, on 28 April 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

I'm struggling to find the context to which you refer.

Is this it?

The statement was stand alone, hence my comment....

Now I have read your link, I understand the context.

No apology, though.


Im guessinf around 7pm - the forums die daily at that time

Read the post time. It can happen at any time for me.

(Hey, it's a free forum. YGWYPF)


Thats one f**ked up avitar dude.

Not unlike the poster, I guess!

Edited by M'bozo, 29 April 2012 - 01:27 PM.

[MLXXX]

The last post of DrP's on the forum is dated 20/3/2012.  DrP retired from the forum citing lack of action by moderators to curb the inaccurate output of alanh. My own recent decision to resume participation in the forum (following a cessation of posting activity by alanh) is provisional. I am closely observing alanh's output since he resumed posting yesterday, after a 22 day hiatus. If there is a return to what I saw as a continual stream of discourteous and factually flawed posts, I will once again withdraw from forum participation.

DrP's retirement means that the alanh "facts" post by DrP at #11 of this thread is no longer being updated. I do not intend to try to take over the role of maintaining a consolidated list of the more "surprising" of alanh's claims. However, I am prepared to record some of them, particularly if repeated and not retracted for at least one month, and despite helpful explanations by other forum members. First up though I will cite an old alanh claim, that does not appear in DrP's list. It was repeated by alanh in more than one thread, and never retracted. It is at odds with the known behaviour of the ionosphere.  Any number of reference sources indicate that Near Vertical Incidence Skywave propagation is for use at relatively low frequencies, not at 26MHz. The following instance of the alanh claim is taken from the Reception Reports - Sydney thread:

MLXXX, on 20 April 2011 - 08:53 PM, said:

This post of mine is not relevant to the thread title, but does pick up on some recent posts made to this thread.

MLXXX, on Apr 19 2011, 08:50 AM, said:

alanh, on Apr 19 2011, 03:24 AM, said:

MLXXX, on Apr 18 2011, 10:37 PM, said:

alanh, on Apr 18 2011, 09:23 PM, said:

Tasmania is a testing environment for all radio systems. DRM30 on the 26 MHz band using a NVIS transmitting antenna. This will shower signals from above making it terrain independent

How odd to be considering NVIS at 26MHz for broadcasting purposes, considering that much lower frequencies are usually employed, consistent with the prevailing critical frequency of the ionsphere.

Can you inform the forum alanh when this 26MHz NVIS testing in Tasmania, that you refer to, is due to start? And could you perhaps provide a link to a relevant source of information?

MLXXX,
Tasmania, is only a small island, NVIS using 26 MHz has already been tested overseas for such applications using DRM30. This is why I suggested it.

Please link to a report of a test of NVIS at 26MHz.  You may recall that the links I supplied you with some months ago all referred to 26MHz testing for conventional propagation, not NVIS.

It appears that alanh can provide no link to a report of 26MHz NVIS testing. That is not at all surprising.  As explained at http://en.wikipedia....cidence_Skywave :

The radio waves travel upwards into the ionosphere, where they are refracted back down and can be received within a circular region up to 650 km from the transmitter. If the frequency is too high, refraction fails to occur and if it is too low absorption reduces the signal strength.

The usable frequencies for NVIS communications are between 1.8 MHz and 15 MHz.

It is theoretically open to alanh to retract his claim, or provide evidence 26MHz is suitable for use as a permanent local region broadcasting band, using NVIS propagation. The latter will not occur as such evidence does not exist. The former is unlikely to occur, based on alanh's track record. In the meantime, this post can serve to supplement DrP's list of alanh "facts" at post #11 of this thread.

Edited by MLXXX, 18 April 2013 - 12:14 PM.