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[JohnA]

Place your vote here

[Mining Man]

Great work John. Probably something that could have been done a long time ago. Hopefully we can continue to cater for n00bs and advanced enthusiasts alike.

And as has been shown in some of the discussions in al's FAQ, the integration of these systems can also be done with great success!!

[JohnA]

Agree mining man
always happy to help out the newbs and make them spend more money  

I just feel things get lost too quickly in the HT forums so a dedicated 2 channel section will make it easier for people to find things

[Mining Man]

Definitely. I've mentioned a number of times to folks buying their first system, that my biggest regret at the same stage was not investing in some 2 channel gear first. In hindsight, I reckon it's better to start there, and add slowly. Over 5 years or so, you end up with a kick-arse system, more than capable of quality 2 and multi channel surround. The way I (and many others) did it - you end up having to almost replace your entire surround system because you made so many compromises in the first instance.

[Mining Man]

Despite the voting in this thread, it looks like the other one is getting all the commentary.

C'mon folks, we need your comments in this thread, to keep it alive. Voting alone won't bump it. Hate for such a fantastic proposal to disappear of the first page.

[Gutty]

Mining Man, on Jul 10 2007, 07:31 AM, said:

Despite the voting in this thread, it looks like the other one is getting all the commentary.

C'mon folks, we need your comments in this thread, to keep it alive. Voting alone won't bump it. Hate for such a fantastic proposal to disappear of the first page.

Was thinking just that.

IMO it should stay under the HT banner as a subforum, simply because the sticky's relate to both 2ch and surround.
Maybe they could be copied over if a complete seperate forum ?

[Mining Man]

Gutty, on Jul 10 2007, 09:37 AM, said:

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IMO it should stay under the HT banner as a subforum, simply because the sticky's relate to both 2ch and surround.
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This would be ideal, but I'm not sure it is possible. Otherwise, you'd probably see SD Displays, HD Displays and Projectors all grouped together under a sub-forum called Display Technology.

The uppermost levels are probably what need rationalising to do this, and that would require a complete reorganisation of the forum. Something I doubt will ever happen.

[the joz]

I voted!

A dedicated two channel neighbourhood is what this forum needs.

As there are many people here that place stereo at the top of the heap,then intergrate the HT around their two mains.
I think it's something new for the forum that has everything.

[Puss in Books]

IMO it would make the forum too fragmented and I think there are things common to both 2ch and multi-ch (eg speakers, cables).

VJP

[RodN]

It doesn't really reflect in the poll but it would be good to have the 2ch section as a sub-form of the HTForum that way nobody gets confused and they can just drill down once they are here.

[the joz]

Yes I think when one opens the main page it would be good to have a dedicated 2 channel area.Surely if games and all the flavours of dtv and recorders can have a subforum so can those that persue the reproduction of two channel music ,be it from cd or even vinyl

[Curious]

the joz, on Jul 10 2007, 09:18 AM, said:

Yes I think when one opens the main page it would be good to have a dedicated 2 channel area.Surely if games and all the flavours of dtv and recorders can have a subforum so can those that persue the reproduction of two channel music ,be it from cd or even vinyl

My vote's in (thanks for setting this up John) c'mon people VOTE already!  

Cheers,

Curious

[Mining Man]

As mentioned before, I don't think that a subforum within the existing Home Theatre Systems sub-forum is possible.

To achieve this, what is needed is a rationalisation of the uppermost level. At the moment, Displays, STBs, PVRs, Projectors, HT, HD DVD / BD, Games Consoles and Reviews are all clustered under the area: Digital TV Receivers and Related Products. This isn't really an efficient use of the directory potential. (And then you have all the other main groups, including programming, radio, Off Topic etc...)

But to create a 2-Channel sub-forum within a greater Audio section, is a far bigger job than just creating a 2-Channel sub-forum that sits alongside HT as it is now. Something like:

Digital TV Products
HD Set Top Boxes
SD Set Top Boxes
PVRs / DVD Recorders

Video Products
HD Displays
SD Displays
Projectors
(Sources)

Audio Products
Multi-Channel Systems
2-Channel Systems
(Speakers)
(Sources)

Other Products
High Definition Formats
Gaming

All Product Reviews

Digital TV Transmission & Reception Issues
etc etc etc (as per the rest of the forum)
...
...


Quite a big job to rationalise things like this. And do you include a separate sub-forum for speakers? Sources?

How about just a 2-Channel section slid in alongside HT?

[Gutty]

Mining Man, on Jul 10 2007, 10:38 AM, said:

As mentioned before, I don't think that a subforum within the existing Home Theatre Systems sub-forum is possible.

From my experience it should be quite easy to add. Just like the attachments subforum in the off topic area.

[Mining Man]

Gutty, on Jul 10 2007, 12:44 PM, said:

From my experience it should be quite easy to add. Just like the attachments subforum in the off topic area.

True!! I didn't think about that one. Come to think of it, there is also the area where the Red Text threads reside in the Forum Suggestions and Help area.


(I still like the idea of a complete re-configuration. But then I colour code my wardrobe... )

[Gutty]

Mining Man, on Jul 10 2007, 10:58 AM, said:

But then I colour code my wardrobe...

Looks like the poll is calling for completely seperate forums anyway. Guess in the end it'll be up to Caniffe etc.

It's deffinately not hard to rename/move/remove/add forums. What is a pain in the butt is moving all the threads to their new respective forums.(assuming this software works the same way the forum i admin'd did )

[blybo]

Good idea, I had thought of this myself but I'm not a hard core member so it is not my place to suggest.

I believe that the well intentioned audiophiles on this forum sometimes forget that it is the DTV forum and not everyone is looking for the purity of sound that they are. This is not a dig at the 2ch guy's BTW, it just would help to better 'pigeon hole' forum members interests.

I would love to have an audiophile budget and WAF but that ain't going to happen anytime soon so I look at things from a slightly different perspective.

[Gutty]

blybo, on Jul 10 2007, 11:16 AM, said:

I would love to have an audiophile budget and WAF but that ain't going to happen anytime soon so I look at things from a slightly different perspective.

Ditto..... bump.

[chefscuba70]

Just voted.

Woohoo! I'm in with the majority

chef.

[:)]

would love to see a separate subforum for 2ch. doesnt worry me if the ht systems sub forum is left as it is. doesnt have to be anything fancy in setup jsut another sub forum called '2channel audio systems' or the like would be a great venue for people lookign for that kind of thing. Hopefully its something canife and timo would see as a good addition  

[Roderick]

2 channel HiFi is not that relevant to the Forum proper, which is Digital TV, and there are other forums where it is adequately covered.

[:)]

Roderick, on Jul 10 2007, 06:28 PM, said:

2 channel HiFi is not that relevant to the Forum proper, which is Digital TV, and there are other forums where it is adequately covered.

This forum isnt anymore just about DTV. The split of this forum from DTV happened quite a while ago now when DBA went separate ways. Infact if you type in www.AVforum.com.au it leads here. The Banner at the top of this forum says "Australia's leading Digtial TV and AV forum"

many people utilise and have systems for 2ch music as well. As per the posts so far it appears somethgin fo interest to a few people. its only just another sub forum thats being requested.

[the joz]

blybo, on Jul 10 2007, 11:16 AM, said:

I believe that the well intentioned audiophiles on this forum sometimes forget that it is the DTV forum and not everyone is looking for the purity of sound that they are. This is not a dig at the 2ch guy's BTW, it just would help to better 'pigeon hole' forum members interests.

I'm sure the well intentioned audiophiles as you've kindly put it would prefer their own little zone as do say the gamers here amongst us.

It's not because of wanting to  be separatist but an area where people could come together on this forum hopefully without having to deal with the HT side of things continually.Even though for many people there are so many crossover points within the whole DTV forum,but there are areas where peoples enthusiasm is greater.This way the two channel boffins can click directly on their own area and not trawl through say multi channel or HT posts.

An area like this that is accessible to anyone with a genuine querey or just for the lurkers to peruse if there is of anything of interest for them would be a great bonus.
It wouls also be a great point of reference for other regulars if they wished to visit.

[the joz]

Roderick, on Jul 10 2007, 06:28 PM, said:

2 channel HiFi is not that relevant to the Forum proper, which is Digital TV, and there are other forums where it is adequately covered.

Is this why there is a games or off topic area?? Where in there is so often zero dtv content??

Sorry but if what your saying is to be correct so many areas on this forum would no longer exist.

For members with little or no interest in the area being dicussed there is absoloutly no pressure to click on the sub forum or get involved.
I myself have not ventured to many areas that this forum covers but don't for a second begrudge others that do prefer that community.

So what now makes me wonder is how it would have any negative effect on those not wanting to particpate,or is it a reason beyond that??
After all it's all just about another flavour of entertainment.Even though there are other forums that are specific to this(stereo) surely more forum traffic could only be benificial to the prosperity of any forum?  Again why begrudge this?

[Puss in Books]

the joz, on Jul 10 2007, 09:18 AM, said:

Yes I think when one opens the main page it would be good to have a dedicated 2 channel area.Surely if games and all the flavours of dtv and recorders can have a subforum so can those that persue the reproduction of two channel music ,be it from cd or even vinyl

Personally, I don't see the point of having a separate HDTV and SDTV forum.  As for games and HD which was recently split, well I can understand that because the HD vs BR discussions are for the most part a toxic waste dump IMO, so I am sure the gamers would like their own space.

I think the HT forum is the most valuable on this host site and it is the one I most visit.  Splitting this forum will reduce its "critical mass" and I am afraid it will either lead to its demise or simply force us to trawl both sub-fora to get those nuggets of information.

I see I am in the minority, and I supposed I am biased because I do not currently have an interest in 2ch, but I find the contributions regarding 2ch to be valuable for my own education,  but I think if the forum is split then it will be something we all will regret.

IMO the only two reasons to split a forum are:

1) there are too many posts to digest
2) gangs, camps, or wars of religion develop which you want to isolate (eg HD,BR)

As I see it, neither of those conditions are met, so I would council keeping the forum as is.

Regards...VJP