Grundig Freeview Epg Pvr
Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:52 AM
If anyone has any specific questions about the device I'm happy to answer them. No I do not work for Grundig :-)
Posted 01 March 2012 - 08:12 AM
I was wondering how much of a show gets recorded if the timer is set by series record. i.e. is there any padding or is it just the show accurate to say -/+ a minute?
Posted 01 March 2012 - 08:52 AM
The series link and one off recording require no padding as the box does not record timeslots but rather by the embedded CRID code each show has. So the timer fires off when the code comes through the broadcast stream and does not stop recording until the code stops hence you don't miss the end anymore :-) the code only stops when the show stops :-)
That explains it in better use of the English language than I just did lol
Edited by troykm, 01 March 2012 - 08:54 AM.
Posted 01 March 2012 - 10:27 AM
Looks like someone should look up the definition of "Intuitive" but I suppose you get the gist of what they're trying to say Good to see some PVRs finally starting to use the CRID to effect. Always interested in how the units handle more complex tasks.
Maybe you could set up some overlapping series recordings and see how they fire off. For example
Show 1 12:30-1:30
Show 2 12:00-1:00
Show 3 1:00-1:30
All different channels. Be interesting to see what the unit decides to do. Can you see the actual timers that Freeview Intuitive sets and the times they're set for before they fire? Is there any way to see if some of your shows will not be recorded (like the Tivo does?)
Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:45 AM
Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:09 PM
To expand on what Peter said, suppose the scheduled times for the recording from the EPG at the time they were set up were:
Show 1 12:30-1:30
Show 2 12:00-1:00
Show 3 1:00-1:30
but the actual broadcast times were:
Show 1 12:37-1:39
Show 2 12:05-1:10
Show 3 1:03-1:35
What would happen to shows 2 & 3? While the times I've used are made up, they're in no way unusual.
Posted 01 March 2012 - 03:56 PM
Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:35 PM
Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:14 AM
Could you set your PVR up to record something from 7mate using the series recording and give some feedback as to how it performed? Did it start recording before the beginning of the targetted program? Did it finish recording after the end of the targetted program? The timing of the triggers on 7mate here is often woeful. A quick look at my logs shows that the triggers would result in the last 5 to 10 minutes of 'Buck Rogers in the 25th Century' (shown at 6:30am) would be missed. The entire shedule is littered with such examples.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:44 AM
But you can record concurrent programs with out issue ie: channel 7 1. 830-930 2. 930-1030
10 1. 830-930 2. 930-1030
That on the TiVo would cause a clash due to padding.
As for the crid data, all shows I have recorded on any channel have been fine. All started recording between 5 seconds and 2 min before show starts and all stop recording within 10 seconds of credits finishing.
There is something about the guide and scheduled recordings I can't put my finger on yet but I'll keep playing and try to work it out.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:06 AM
Accuracy of CRID data is somewhat moot if there are still 3 shows playing at the same time - you still only have 2 tuners.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:35 AM
I don't think you mentioned but is there some place where you can see any Intuitive timers that will fail?
Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:11 PM
Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:45 PM
Doing it that way means that you don't miss the denouement of the first program, but you miss the start of the second, which I think is a better choice (given the lack of other alternatives) than cutting the end of the first program.
True but I don't allow clipping on my TiVo. It drives me insane. I want the whole thing or nothing lol
Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:09 PM
Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:26 PM
I have made it clear often enough in the past that I think the present scheduling of TV programs is dreadful and fixing it (and having a bit of "slack time" -- ad break, station promos, news updates, etc -- between programs) is the only way to get pgdownload's example to record correctly, no matter what other technology you throw at the problem. I doubt, though, that the situation will change without regulations to that effect.
Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:51 PM
In other threads, in response to me saying that the beginning of shows is often cut off, Peter said that it doesn't matter. Clearly it does matter to some, if not him. For instance, from my continuing analysis of the data here it turns out that the beginning of 30 Rock was cut off (by the recording triggers) last night. In effect, the set-up for the entire episode was missed. Peter may not think that the premise for an entire episode is important but I'd wager that most reasonable people would!
Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:33 PM
Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:39 PM
Posted 03 March 2012 - 01:01 PM
If you're happy enough to miss an episode every now and again of a show (as opposed to sacrificing 5 minutes) that's a choice. But personally if I have to choose between missing the end of a show and the start of one then I'd rather see the end.
I am interested in how auto schedulers make their decisions on what to record when the recording gets tough (i.e. clashes). Sounds like the new PVR with the CRID is doing an excellent job of catching your shows when there's no such issues.
Its always amazed me that Tivo with its great thumbs up rating system never tries to use that to schedule its series recordings. If it hit three shows at once, two with 5 thumbs up and one with two onlly then deciding what it should record shhould be simple. Instead I believe it just uses a simple first come first served blanket approach too. Unfortunately Tivo have patented using rating to prioritise recordings so other boxes can't use it.
Edited by pgdownload, 03 March 2012 - 01:05 PM.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 01:04 PM
Posted 03 March 2012 - 03:52 PM
Posted 04 March 2012 - 09:47 AM
Edit: ok lol got the 1tb version from David Jones for $347 (hate Harvey Norman and DJs price match) it now comes with a new learning remote that looks not unlike the foxtel IQ remote. So I'm happy :-).
Edited by troykm, 04 March 2012 - 10:38 AM.