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[DarrenW]

craigandkim, on Dec 21 2010, 12:51 PM, said:

So it would seem that possibly its the Sabre chip in the 83SE and 95 that runs hot?

No fan on the BDP-80, 83 or 93.

My BDP-83 has a fan. I've only ever heard it when it fires up from standby.

Never heard it during a movie, even during silent passages........

[davep]

craigandkim, on Dec 21 2010, 12:51 PM, said:

So it would seem that possibly its the Sabre chip in the 83SE and 95 that runs hot?

No fan on the BDP-80, 83 or 93.

Sure looks like a fan to me

http://vtbsd.net/bdp83/

http://vtbsd.net/bdp83/IMG_2629.JPG

[craigandkim]

Sorry my mistake on the 83, - so this begs the question why do some of their models have fans and others don't?

[sinbad8880]

I am very interested in the 95, sounds fantastic.

Just wondering why more people dont buy direct from Oppo USA? No probs with power supply, just need the region free mod chip installed which is not very costly.

[sejanus]

oppo seem decent ordering direct. i ordered a 93 today and 4hrs after I ordered they sent a email saying it was shipped with the tracking info already.

[SimonNo10]

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Just wondering why more people dont buy direct from Oppo USA?

Warranty possibly if it's not a worldwide one and lack of local support if something goes wrong.

Edited by SimonNo10, 21 December 2010 - 02:43 PM.

[kiwimeat]

I'm quite interested too as an upgrade to my BDP-83 for improved 2 channel playback.

[:)]

craigandkim, on Dec 21 2010, 01:17 PM, said:

Sorry my mistake on the 83, - so this begs the question why do some of their models have fans and others don't?

the 93 has analog stuff stripped out of it doesnt it ? might be reasoning. good chance the analog stuff generates some heat. bit more bias into class a etc.

when I had my denon 4010, it did indeed have a fan and in use it is one of the coolest players ever owned. with analog stages built in, and decent power supplies that usually means a good use of capacitors and the like under the hood. with players and other devices running hot, usually its capacitors that go first. fans essential in that case if want to keep the internals cool and extend the longevity of the player. the denon for instance is first HD player I have owned which when removed disc after watching a movie, disc itself is cool as a cucumber. where other players have owned (long list) all have discs coming out pretty warm to hot. gives some indication of heat internally...

[cwt]

craigandkim, on Dec 21 2010, 09:22 AM, said:

Would be great if they have improved the cheap flimsy loading tray, also address the heat problem and get rid of the fan altogether

This one is new from the ground up craig and the 93 tray mechanism was improved so bodes well for this one  

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Some common complaints about the BDP-83 were that the transport was "a bit flimsy and noisy".  Have you made any updated/improvements to the transport mechanism on the BDP-93?

Regarding transport rigidity and mechanical noise reduction, yes there are significant upgrades.  The transport is a custom-built loader made by Tohei Group of Japan (http://www.tohei-hq....in/en/index.cgi).  The laser pickup is still Sony.  During the development of the transport we worked closely with Tohei to control and isolate the vibration caused by the high rotation speed and heavy motor parts of the Sony laser pickup.

Al is on the money as usual about the fan ; the 83 and 95 have dedicated 2ch outputs and fans ;the 93 ditches the 2ch analogs and the fan  

[yorac]

and to think how many laughed at the separate HDMI audio/video outputs on the 9004.......

[craigandkim]

:), on Dec 21 2010, 06:39 PM, said:

the 93 has analog stuff stripped out of it doesnt it ? might be reasoning. good chance the analog stuff generates some heat. bit more bias into class a etc.
when I had my denon 4010, it did indeed have a fan and in use it is one of the coolest players ever owned. with analog stages built in, and decent power supplies that usually means a good use of capacitors and the like under the hood. with players and other devices running hot, usually its capacitors that go first. fans essential in that case if want to keep the internals cool and extend the longevity of the player. the denon for instance is first HD player I have owned which when removed disc after watching a movie, disc itself is cool as a cucumber. where other players have owned (long list) all have discs coming out pretty warm to hot. gives some indication of heat internally...

cwt, on Dec 21 2010, 07:19 PM, said:

This one is new from the ground up craig and the 93 tray mechanism was improved so bodes well for this one  
Al is on the money as usual about the fan ; the 83 and 95 have dedicated 2ch outputs and fans ;the 93 ditches the 2ch analogs and the fan  

Sounds like the 95 is going to be an awesome piece of kit for the money. It will be interesting to see the price in Aust. now that the $ is basically at parity?

[:)]

for those considering the 95 or 93, it probably is worth registering interest with merlin audio via their website email. as got this in response to query of mine

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I will receive stock of the BDP-93 in a week.
And the BDP-95 probably in March.
However the zone free kit is still not available.

There is a one-off group buy price on offer, on both the BDP-93 and the BDP-95 when available.

[yorac]

:), on Dec 22 2010, 08:08 PM, said:

for those considering the 95 or 93, it probably is worth registering interest with merlin audio via their website email. as got this in response to query of mine

Thanks for the heads up Al........

[cwt]

craigandkim, on Dec 22 2010, 09:15 AM, said:

Sounds like the 95 is going to be an awesome piece of kit for the money. It will be interesting to see the price in Aust. now that the $ is basically at parity?

A nice thing to note is that the 95 has a proper earth on the ac line unlike other downmarket players ; hope theres no ground loops ;sure it'll be fine though  

[SimonNo10]

I think I can wait until March...I hope

[petetherock]

MO for this?

The RF will be a useful thing, considering I buy from all 3 regions....

This will replace my Nuforce Edition in my MF based 805s audio system for my dad.

[petetherock]

First look:
http://www.audioholi...ayer-first-look

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First, we should talk about price. Formally the price has not yet been set up inside sources at Oppo have confirmed that it will come in under a grand - but maybe not much. This is a bit more than the Oppo BDP-83SE which commanded $899. While owners of the BDP-83 could pay to have their players upgraded to the SE model, that isn't possible with the BDP-95 (hence the change in model number). A look at the back of both models will confirm that the 95 is not just a modified 93, it is a completely new product.

Oppo BDP-95

Just glancing at the rear panel of the BDP-95 reveals a number of serious upgrades. First, you find XLR as well as RCA stereo outputs. With the BDP-93 you'd be forced to use the Left and Right channels of the 7.1 analogue outputs. The rest of the connections are all the same if a bit rearranged. Observant readers will note that the 95 is a bit taller than the 93 (the 93 is 16.9 x 12.25 x 3.125 inches and the 95 is same except 4 inches tall). There is also a fan on the back of the 95 that is not present on the 93. This is probably because of the internal upgrades which includes a toroidal transformer built by Rotel.

Yes, that Rotel.

The toroidal power transformer is designed to offer superior inrush current and much lower exterior magnetic field over traditional laminated steel core transformers. The BDP-95's toroidal linear power supply provides a very clean and robust power source to the critical audio components. But the most important part as far as audio is the DAC - Digital to Analogue Converter. In the case of the BDP-95, they've opted with the SABRE32 (that 32 is supposed to be superscript) Reference ES9018 from ESS Technology. This is the same DAC they used in high-end consumer applications and professional studio equipment. The SABRE brags a DNR (Dynamic Range) of up to 135dB and a THD+N (Total Harmonic Distortion plus Noise) of -120dB. This is the industry's highest performance level and should satisfy even the most demanding audio purist (of course, we fully expect to see a BDP-95 with a tube sticking out of the top at the next high-end show because, you know, everything sounds better with tubes). Oppo hasn't just used a single SABRE DAC for their BDP-95, they use two - one for the 7.1 channel output and a second one for the dedicated stereo output. All this technology adds nearly 50% additional weight to the unit bringing the BDP-95 in at 16 pounds.

[Demon62]

anyone know who the importers/distributors/resellers will be in Melbourne?

[Anden]

Can anyone tell me, that with the inclusion of the toroidal power supply, whether it'll be auto switchable like the 83 and 93 or will it require a step down transformer, and also will there be any benefits to it  via the HDMI's, i'm well aware of the difference it'll make over analogue, but as yet can't find any info on it over HDMI.
Thank you in advance esteemed knowlageable members.   .
Mark.


EDIT : Found one answer on the power supply,
         • World Power Supply - The BDP-95 features a world power supply that is compatible with AC power from all regions. Voltage range from 100V-120V and 200V-240V can be selected by flipping a switch on the back panel.

Sorry should read through posts and links more carefully.

http://www.musicdire...m/product/89632

Thanks  Al = post 11.

   Still leaves one question about the difference  if any the torroidal supply will make to  the HDMI connections, if anyone can elaborate, thanks.

Edited by Anden, 23 December 2010 - 11:18 AM.

[Anden]

Demon62, on Dec 23 2010, 10:48 AM, said:

anyone know who the importers/distributors/resellers will be in Melbourne?

EDIT.

http://www.gattiweb.com

Great guy to deal through, and is a member of this forum " scanspeak " .

Edited by Anden, 23 December 2010 - 10:41 AM.

[pasadena]

Anden, on Dec 23 2010, 07:57 AM, said:

http://www.gattiweb.com/bluraymod.htm

Great guy to deal through, and is a member of this forum " scanspeak " .

Dead link?

[Anden]

pasadena, on Dec 23 2010, 11:31 AM, said:

Dead link?

That is weird, works fine from my bookmarks, but not the forum. Hmmmmm.

EDIT.

http://www.gattiweb.com

This one seems to work fine, click left hand side at the top of page for Blu ray related.

Edited by Anden, 23 December 2010 - 10:41 AM.

[Skian]

Forgive me for the 'noob' question but I'm assuming the main purpose to getting the 95 over the 93 would be for serious music listeners? For those more interested in just the dvd/bluray side of things the 93 would be sufficient?

Thanks

[petetherock]

Not everyone will need or benefit from the 95. If you just want good video and use the HDMI out on a budget to mid level HT amp, the better DACs may be wasted on you. Then the 93 will suffice.Those 1-2k HT amps are not the best way to showcase the stereo performance, and don't the specs entice you.

The whole chain of partnering equipment makes a big difference.

If I get the 95, I will use good analogue RCA interconnects to my stereo amp (MF A 5.5) and the B/W 805s. That gives you an idea of the kind of partnering equipment to bring the best out of the 95.

Unless you spend a lot on your HT amp / speakers etc, the 93 will suffice.

Cheers.

[myrantz]

Anden, on Dec 23 2010, 07:55 AM, said:

Can anyone tell me, that with the inclusion of the toroidal power supply, whether it'll be auto switchable like the 83 and 93 or will it require a step down transformer, and also will there be any benefits to it  via the HDMI's, i'm well aware of the difference it'll make over analogue, but as yet can't find any info on it over HDMI.

When you go HDMI, you're bypassing the DAC on the player.. This Oppo will bistream (bit in decoded to PCM or still raw) to your HDMI receiver, and the conversion to analog (ala speaker sound) will happen at the receiver end.

Anden, on Dec 23 2010, 07:55 AM, said:

Still leaves one question about the difference  if any the torroidal supply will make to  the HDMI connections, if anyone can elaborate, thanks.

It will be more stable power I think. And stable power is always a good thing I guess... e.g. when something says it gives out 12V of DC power, sometimes it's 11.xV, other things it's 13.xV (can go a lot higher and lower and fluculate wildly)... Feed in a more linear power, and it might be beneficial....