yep no company does cost plus. its posted at whatever the market will bare. they have to. to make a profit an yes recover all the R&D or say royalties if using some elses panel or if they are making it for you
The only person fleecing us is ourselves. Manufacturers don't build something and say lets sell it at cost + 10%. They build it at great risk and sell it at cost - 150% for a while (i.e. they're losing money selling the TV at $10,000). But its just the start of the curve. The sunk costs have been sunk. Actually making the TV now costs maybe $500 per unit but the initial investment needs to be paid off. So once all the rich, impulsive, must have it now buyers have chipped in, dropping $3000 just widens the market for more patient and savvy buyers to start purchasing. Drop a few more grand and the market widens even more and the initial investment is pretty much paid off. After this point the profits start rolling in.
Thanks Al. Great stuff. As always you are a font of knowledge.
This stuff has been a passion for more than half my life, but love to learn from other enthusiasts.
I think that ultimately I will invest in a power amp, just based on my zealous pursuit of "perfection " 😁, but for now I find myself "Googling" LCR speaker combos ( mostly B&W, but Whatmough, Krix and Focal have a look in as well).
Oh for a Tatts win.🤣
ok on this topic. lets look at some facts...
-15 to -5 is getting into some serious pushing of the avr I would suggest. to give an example i tend to run around -19 at most. typically around -21... but this could be due to your own listening preferences. but what it indicates to me is you are pushing your avr quite a bit to limits
secondly lets look at the avr.. the SR6010 has a max power consumption of 650W. with an efficacy of 65% your looking at 422W at disposal to the power stages. divide that by your 7 channels and you are looking at 60W max... max... so i.e. flat chat... not leaving any headroom.
I would completely put aside any efficiency claims with b&W speakers the main issue is the lower impedance they drop too. even their stand mounts and why some oomph behind them, not only to drive adequately ... but also for headroom. so when driving those big moments we often get in movies there is some room for dynamic range and ability to push through rather than flat line. there is also risk of clipping when that happens and its all too real. I know a friend of mine who did just that with one of his B&W surrounds ..didnt even realised had clipped to blow the tweeter, until the next time he ran audyssey and was getting odd results for that channel.
however thats not to say will be blowing speakers. what will find with B&Ws and I know I ran a pair. is they will just get a bit coarsened sound a bit rough starved. rather than retain composure when pushed. and the system will also feel like flatlined....ie can crank and it doesnt really give much more in gains.
I myself when upgraded to power amp was running at the time a HK aVR with a very grunty power stage am talking 1000w max consumption so well over the marantz 6010, still yet I got benefit in quite a few quarters. there are limitations to fitting 7 channels of amps and building to budget and having to squash in an avr. limitations in power supplies, heat sinking. power stages, on other hand the pre stage on the 6010 you'll like find pretty decent as most D&M AVRs have had.
Firstly, I'd take manufacturer claims about efficiency with a grain of salt. Ditto for impedance unless they provide a chart and/or guarantee a minimum impedance dip.
In my experience it's the big impedance dips (usually in the bass range) that draw more current than some amps can provide that you should focus on. B&W have produced many speakers that have impedance dips below 3 Ohm.