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Seaton Aussie Gb Review Thread................

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Well gents as requested here is the review thread for the recent Submersive GB........

Been a long journey starting on April 6 2010 (wish I could get the outlaws to ignore me for that long) and it's been filled with excitement, exasperation, patience, impatience, humour (not allowed in the BR section anymore), concerns about payments, concerns about the AUD v the USD, concerns that the shipment was on the Titanic and concerns that they would never ever get here, well they have............. B)

I look forward to seeing your reviews guys and for the record congratulations goes to all involved in bringing this mighty effort together, be you an organiser, a buyer or even just someone who posted some helpful info along the way........ :)

my part in this GB finished sometime ago but at times I feel like a proud parent as I've watched it all unfold, I thank you all for your kind comments to me during this process but for now...........

it's over to you guys............

Original BladRnR Seaton Speaker Review...............

Original Seaton Speaker Discussion Thread...............

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Nice yorac,

I'll edit this post with some info later I hope

back to emails

Cheers mate, you have 24hour editing for any posts you make mate after that it's locked out, let me know if I can help if that's a problem at anytime as I can always add anyhting you need to post 1 as I have editing available all the time (post count thing)...............

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Cheers mate, you have 24hour editing for any posts you make mate after that it's locked out, let me know if I can help if that's a problem at anytime as I can always add anyhting you need to post 1 as I have editing available all the time (post count thing)...............

Thanks yorac, i will organise something for you, I though I would have time in 24hours :lol:

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Any review yet on the GB Seaton products especially the Submersive as some of you guys already received theirs?

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Any review yet on the GB Seaton products especially the Submersive as some of you guys already received theirs?

Im guessing the people who have received Seaton goodies havent left the couch since it was plugged in!

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Im guessing the people who have received Seaton goodies havent left the couch since it was plugged in!

Got to have time to plug them in. Friday will be the day.

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Let me take a plunge and be the first to review this great beauty monster.

DISCLAIMER:

- this review is subjective and it's purely my opinion in which some may or may not agree.

- this will be a very brief review as I don't really have the know-how for all the technical stuffs.

- follow on from the above, this review will be based on my ears :)

- Due to workplace OH&S reason, this review may end abruptly, depending on when my boss walk pass my desk :ninja:

My previous sub was SVS PB13 Ultra. And as everyone knows, the PB13 is not a pushover and it can easily hang with the big names out there. I absolutely love the beast and it took a lot for me to give it up for a submersive. The decision was just an impulse. There was nothing wrong with the pb13 and its performance has always exceeded my expectation. The move to submersive was purely out of curiosity.

I originally planned to run the submersive together with the PB13 and the AS_EQ1. But the financial wasn't good down the road so I decided to sell my PB13. My choice was to offer it to my neighbour as I know he has some sort of HT setup but never really get into the detail with him as he works night-shift. Well, he said that the sub was overkill for his setup. Anyway, long story short, I managed to get another dude who lives 2 streets away into my living room and put on Die Hard 4 and Flight of the Phoenix. After the demo, the first word he said was "Let me ask the wife" :lol:. And he was a proud owner of the PB13 since.

This was back in July as I thought I would be having the Submersive in my room around October. But as we all know, this wasn't the case. I have been subwooferless since July with, lets say, 100-200 blu-rays sitting on the shelf that I have refused to watch until the submersive arrives :P. The journey was long but it's finally over. Is it worth the wait?

Comparison

Let's start with the comparison between PB13 and the Submersive.

The Cosmetic: My PB13 was a piano gloss and the Submersive is black oak. So PB13 wins in this department (though a bit unfair to compare 2 different color and finish). However, the piano gloss, though very sexy, was a **** to maintain..... the countless polish that I had to do. The submersive's black oak is an ease on the eye. It's one of those classic that will never gets old. The build quality is top notch. The surface texture is nice and smooth. If there is one thing that I could wish for, it would be an option for a metal grill. My PB13 had a metal grill and I was never scared of children being around the sub.

The Tweak factor: PB13 is much more tweakable than the submersive. You can tweak the EQ, room size matcher, xover, chose to run it as a ported or sealed sub to give you more bottom end, etc etc. The submersive on the other hand is simply setup and go and right to the point. No mucking around, no complicated tweak. However, to be fair, I never really used any tweaks on the PB13 to be honest. AS_EQ1 was enough to get the job done without touching the sub.

The Physique: PB13 is much more wider while the submersive is much taller. I couldn't remember exactly how heavy the PB13 was but I know that it's much much heavier than the submersive.

The Performance: Comparing both after AS_EQ1 calibration, I can definitely say that everybody would be happy to own either of these monsters. They both can deliver the goods (and in epic proportion). I didn't really get to sit down and observed the Submersive in length to the minute details. But all I can say so far is that the submersive seems to deliver more and shines in the midrange, while the PB13 excels in the low end (< 20), especially when you configure the PB13 in sealed mode. At the end of the day, the submersive is just simply awesome overall. The heart and chest thumping are just unbelievable. If I had to choose between both, I would go for the submersive simply because I'm more of a midrange guy where all the action happens. Low end fans will probably be more satisfied with PB13. With that being said, the choice is not a decisive one as both subs are really equally great. While they excel in different department, the gaps between the performance in those scenarios are very tiny. I'd be more than happy to welcome both with open arms.

The experience so far (they are very similar to what PB13 can achieve with a few differences)

The movies that I have tried so far and highly recommended are:

- Die Hard 4: I seriously had goose bumps at the fighter jet scene.

- Flight of The Phoenix: I thought I was in the plane. My couch is rumbling...no joke.

- Daredevil

- Pearl Harbour

- Casino Royale

- Transformers 1

- Wanted

- The Haunting (DVD)

- The Boogeyman (DVD)

- Cast Away (the crash scene)

- Push

- Cloverfield

- Gamer

- Punisher Warzone

- WOTW: if this doesn't get the submersive a thumbs up, I don't know what will.

- The Hurt Locker

- Man on Fire: Chest thumpin at its best.

Last but not least, another thing that can vouch for the Submersive's awesomeness. I was demo-ing WOTW and my fiance was in the kitchen at the time. The door opened and there she was standing with my neighbour. He was about to head off to work and heard all these thumpings and thought there was something wrong so he walked over to my house and asked if everything was ok. My fiance opened the door and told him I was demoing a new sub (he still thought I was subwooferless as it must have been a while that there is any rumbling from my house ever since I offered him the PB13). I gave him a quick demo and he was like "wtf are you serious". His facial expression did all the talking :lol:

This is just a quick overview. I'll leave it upto a more capable person to do a technical review :P. Overall, I'm very happy with the submersive. If anyone is on the fence, I'd say go for it. The submersive together with the as_eq1 are the combo that I will never regret.

Edited by Super Greg

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What a great review. I'm simpy hanging to get my 2nd one and still can't believe I'm going to run 2 of these things but the GB price was simply too hard to pass up. After hearing my brothers setup (Bladernr) I knew I had to own one of these subs as it simply blew me away.

Friday cannot come quick enough and hopefully it does turn up on that day. Really looking forward to more reviews.

Oh and Super Greg if you own them try Hulk (Edward Norton) that was what sold me on the submersive, that and Ironman 1. First time a system has actually scared me.

Edited by SimonNo10

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Oh and Super Greg if you own them try Hulk (Edward Norton) that was what sold me on the submersive, that and Ironman 1. First time a system has actually scared me.

Sure do! Is it the sound wave scene? Haven't watched it in a while :)

Come to think of it, I forgot to try Kung Fu Panda. My PB13 struggled at the skadoosh scene. It nearly bottomed out. But to its defense, it was running at around 4db hot :P

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Thanks Super Greg,

That makes me feel better after missing out on the Submersive GB. I will stay satisfied with my pair of Ultra's and add them to some Catalysts or JTR's in the near future (here's hoping).

Cheers.

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Sure do! Is it the sound wave scene?

The whole school campus scene with the .50cal's and the end battle with the abomination...just insane. And yes Kung fu Panda has some very impressive bass especially the skadoosh scene. The winner for the scariest bass from my brothers system would have to be WOTW lighting storm and pod emerge scenes. I tried those scenes at home with the submersive and I was too afraid to have it up.

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Hey Super Greg, did you try it with the extended profile with PGM SEL switch out

Interested to hear what you think if you haven't.

I will do a few more comments once this GB is actually over and everyone has their subs, lol

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Hi Guys,

Just thought I would pop in and thank Kill3m for letting me pick up my submersive today. I have got it home, connected, run a 3 point AS-EQ1 and unfortunately have settled down to some quiet tv watching as the kids are going to sleep :(

Two things worth mentioning, holy crap this thing is big! It took up my entire boot in my forester, it was like Mark made the box to fit in my car :) and once unpacked it made my old sub have a complex. I wrekon it is 3 times the size :excl: It looks out of place with the rest of my small system, but it is only going in the lounge room temporarily until I cn build it a new home in a dedicated room :)

My other tip is in all my excitement I have connected it up, turned it on and nothing powered up. I ran around checking connections, unplugging, re-plugging, checking the switch wasn't on the wrong voltage. It was then I finally realised you need to plug in the blue end of the power and twist it into place to lock it so it will fire up.

For the micros second I had it up it certainly sounded very smooth and improved the overall clarity of my speakers

Look forward to hearing how the rest of you fair over the coming days

Cheers,

Matt.

PS: I sent a picture to a friend of my new baby.. he asked what is its name.... I decided to call it Thor after the god of Thunder :) What are you guys calling yours?

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Hi guys,

Great to see many of you unpacking your SubMersives and enjoying them at long last! B)

Echoing KILL3M's post:

Hey Super Greg, did you try it with the extended profile with PGM SEL switch out

Interested to hear what you think if you haven't.

All of the SubMersives shipped since the group buy order have both 15Hz & 19Hz response curves available. You can find some initial setup details here on my forum.

Simply turn the power switch off, press the PGM SEL button (sometimes easier with tip of a pen or similar), turn the power back on, and you are set. Pressing the PGM SEL button while the amp is powered up (green PWR LED on) has no effect to protect from un-intended noises or changes.

Neither response is more "correct" but they give you different starting points to get the sound you are after in your room.

Cheers,

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Hey Super Greg, did you try it with the extended profile with PGM SEL switch out

Interested to hear what you think if you haven't.

Hi Paul.

I did try the second profile. After demo-ing several scenes, I found that I prefer the sound of profile 1. The bass seems to be more tighter and pack more punches. It might be because it suits the size of my room. As you have seen my room when you helped me bringing the sub in, it's quite small (7 x 4) and enclosed. What about you? Do you prefer profile 1 or 2?

I have also tried several placement positions within the room, starting with the back corner where my PB13 used to be. I ended up placing the sub along the side wall around midpoint of the room, with one driver facing up and one driver facing down the room. This is a totally new position but it's where I could get the flattest response out of all the positions that I have tried.

My before and after as_eq1 graphs can be found here --> http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8286/submersiveeq.jpg.

It's not 100% flat but it's the best that I could do and I'm very happy with the result :)

Edited by Super Greg

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I have now watched 3 movies and a few test scenes and that is all I need to provide my impression of these subs.

Let's start at the beginning, nothing really prepares you for just how big these things are. Its kind of like watching basketballers on TV, you know they are tall, but then seeing them in real life; They are really tall. We've all seen the pics, but when first seeing the box for real it hits you, far out this thing is large. Unboxing it doesn't particularly make it any smaller either.

When first bringing mine home, I had decided I was too stuffed to set them up now and would play the next day, about 30 minutes later I had them plugged in at the front corners of my room and was running Audyssey. Resistance is futile!

Plugging them in is all expectation, everybody says how great these are and so "OMG WOW" is the expected first reaction; it wasn't (and actually probably isn't).

I did the usual for the first listen and quickly jumped to bass heavy scenes, waiting for the slab beneath me to crack apart, it didn't. The bass was there, it was good, clean and effortless as so often described. Perhaps a little too effortless I thought as there did not seem to be any weight behind it and figured that as mentioned by others I would need to get used to the different bass. I thought "yeah its good (and it was), but it's probably more different than particularly just better (patience grasshopper),

I changed the PGM SEL on the subs to use the extended profile and tried a few more scenes. As described, I found that there was ever so slightly more bottom end with a very slight loss in some mid bass; it really wasn't that much and I decided to keep it with extended profile, probably because I like the idea of the extra extension more than anything else. 1.30am, time to call it a night, lol.

The next morning I put the first movie on for the kids, being toy story 2, the start was pretty good, and I was rather more impressed than the night before, the rumble was really there and much more than ever before, yeah these are nice.

The other night I got to watch the first real movie I had been saving for the subs arrival, How To Train Your Dragon. WOW, ok these things are a LOT better than first thoughts. The LFE was great, the lounge was vibrating and I was enjoying every single dragon breath and LFE moment like never before. The movie was great and so engrossing with the Submersive delivering an amazing rumble and punch on cue. It was at the end of this movie that I made a comment to the GLW that I think we need another 2 in the back corners, which typically any such suggestion would be greeted with looks of scorn, to my astonishment received a look, but no objection. (evil laugh)

An observation I had during this and since, was that my speakers actually seem to have opened up more with new subs, and produce greater sound and detail. It's strange, it's almost like they were being held back by the old sub. Very strange, but a very pleasant side effect.

The next movie I had been holding out for and watched was Percy Jackson and The Lightning Thief, far out, what the subs do with this movie is fricking awesome. When the gods walk, the ground literally shakes and I could actually imagine the slab cracking beneath my feet, this is what its about, truly awesome LFE in all the right places. I love these things. Any one with a Submersive needs to check this movie out.

Last night I watched Flight of The Phoenix, I'd heard a lot about the crash scene and was really holding out for the subs before watching this movie(like the others). Well, the crash scene was a religious experience, and to quote from another movie "holy sweet Mary, mother of Jesus" it was insane, **** was vibrating, my 2 little kids who were playing on the floor, jumped up and ran and jumped into my lap, the lounge was vibrating like it was one of the seats on the plane and when the prop hit the side of the plane, the handles in the doors at the back of my room were rattling, that had never happened before and just added to the overall experience. For the first time ever I was actually concerned about my neighbours because of how long this scene is and the volume being delivered! Dam, this is so sweet, amazing, awesome, <insert own adjective, they all apply>

These subs just deliver so much, so well, to the point where I am now feeling I have to be selective of when to watch a movie, which I have never been before. I refuse to watch movies quietly, there is just no point, and these subs only encourage that affliction.

OMG, WOW!

EDIT

I think I want to add that the "Demo Scenes" don't do these subs justice.

Yes they are loud and impressive, but there is none of the emotion attached that these subs deliver on when the same scene occurs while watching the movie.

Playing a loud screaming vocal, or a huge distorted guitar rift on its own can be impressive for a speaker, but without the surrounding song, its just a noise, you need the whole to appreciate the part.

Same with subs, especially these.

Edited by K1LL3M

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I have now watched 3 movies and a few test scenes and that is all I need to provide my impression of these subs.

These subs just deliver so much, so well, to the point where I am now feeling I have to be selective of when to watch a movie, which I have never been before. I refuse to watch movies quietly, there is just no point, and these subs only encourage that affliction.

OMG, WOW!

Paul that is a terrific review, and i can relate to everything you described. These beasts are awesome!!

Edited by birdyblitz

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I think I want to add that the "Demo Scenes" don't do these subs justice.

Yes they are loud and impressive, but there is none of the emotion attached that these subs deliver on when the same scene occurs while watching the movie.

Playing a loud screaming vocal, or a huge distorted guitar rift on its own can be impressive for a speaker, but without the surrounding song, its just a noise, you need the whole to appreciate the part. Same with subs.

Edited the original post with this to keep it together

Edited by K1LL3M

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I think I want to add that the "Demo Scenes" don't do these subs justice.

Yes they are loud and impressive, but there is none of the emotion attached that these subs deliver on when the same scene occurs while watching the movie.

Playing a loud screaming vocal, or a huge distorted guitar rift on its own can be impressive for a speaker, but without the surrounding song, its just a noise, you need the whole to appreciate the part. Same with subs.

Edited the original post with this to keep it together

I am going to find WOTW right now to play.

Just been listening to BIB AC/DC with my neighbour he says he wants my otheer one still in the box.

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Its refreshing to read from so many happy people with new toys.

I'm enjoying reading all about your experiences, and look forward to reading plenty more.

Congratulations to all who were part of this GB!

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So c'mon, how was it ?

Hey Kill,

It was fantastic. Whole room shaking with my wife coming in and saying sweetheart the glass doors were shaking. Can't wait to finnish wall mounting plasma so I can relocate and tune the system with both.

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