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Thanks blip

I really like the the TimerKey Tap

Robo.

that looks very handy, another one for my autostart folder methinks.

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NEW TIMESHIFT TAP!!!!!!!

This tap was originally perceived by Koops, who, after my and other folks regular wingeing about the lack of a 10 second back function in recorded and recording mode, made a beta tap to solve this...he proceeded and Andycullen decided to assist by doing his own beta's because it was something he wanted desperately....anyway, the upshot of it all is that Andy has got a Tap done and it is in my opinion, "FANTASTIC"...

This tap http://members.westnet.com.au/web/acullen/topfield.htm for me is the most useful Tap of all...It is a multi function and optioned back and forward tap for recorded and recording files...

Please...don't get me wrong here ...all other taps I have used have been great, and I appreciate all efforts people make with taps....but this tap gets FIRST PRIZE from me as the most useful Tap of the lot in my opinion.

regards,

foss

from Andycullen

Topfield TF5000PVRt

Recorded Program Keys

Red Key 03:00 Forward

Blue Key 0:07 Backward

>| Key 0:15 Forward

|< Key 0:10 Backward

Timeshifted Program Keys

Red Key 03:00 Forward

Blue Key 0:07 Backward

>| Key 0:20 Forward

|< Key 0:20 Backward

Playback During Recording Keys

Red Key 03:00 Forward

Blue Key 0:10 Backward

>| Key 0:20 Forward

|< Key 0:20 Backward

The End (>|), Start (|<) and Blue Keys will automatically display the progress bar and perform the action.

Stop Tap

Selecting this menu option stops the tap.

Suspend Tap

This menu option stops the tap from intercepting key commands giving you normal key functionality.

Red Key Auto ON

The Red key functionality requires the progress bar to be displayed. If you want the Red key to work without first displaying the progress bar select "Red Key Auto ON" in the tap menu. Note: The Pip function will not be available whilst the tap is enabled and "Red Key Auto ON".

Fwd/Rew Auto ON

When the Fwd/Rew function is on the 2x, 4x, 6x fast forward and 1x, 2x, 3x rewind functions are replaced with the progress bar fast forward and rewind functions. When you press the fast forward key for the first time the tap will actually press the play button which will show the progress bar.

Reset Key Setup

You can now define what the Red, Blue, |< and >| keys by editing the ProgressBarKeys.ini file on your PC and transferring it back to the Topfield. Selecting this menu option will set the keys back to the original settings.

ProgressBarKeys.ini

Future versions of ProgressBarKeys will allow you to change the key definitions via the Topfield. If you can't wait then you can edit the ProgressBarKeys.ini file on your PC using notepad. The ProgressBarKeys.ini file is not pretty but it does the job.

The factory settings are 00 16332334 16312232 16332434

The first two digits are RedKeyAuto and Fwd/Rew Auto which can be set via the menu. The next group of digits are the key actions in Recorded Program Playback, the third set of digits are the key actions in timeshift mode and the fourth set are the Playback during recording key actions. Each pair of digits within a set defines a key in the order Red, Blue, End (>|) and Start (|<). The first digits in each pair is the key to press, the second digit is the number of times to press it.

Recorded PlayBack Keys

1. Yellow (Bookmark) key jumps forward 30 seconds.

2. Forward (>>) key moves forward 5 seconds.

3. Rewind (<<) key moves backward 2.5 seconds.

RedKey is set to 16 which means Yellow*6 resulting in 3 minutes jump forward.

Blue Key is set to 33 which means Rewind * 3 resulting in 7.5 seconds rewind.

End Key (>|) is set to 23 which means Forward * 3 resulting in 15 seconds forward.

Start Key (|<) is set to 34 which means Rewind * 4 resulting in 10 seconds rewind.

Timeshift Playback Keys

1. Yellow (Bookmark) key jumps forward 30 seconds.

2. Forward (>>) key moves forward 10 seconds.

3. Rewind (<<) key moves backward 10 seconds.

Red Key is set to 16 which means Yellow*6 resulting in 3 minutes jump forward.

Blue Key is set to 31 which means Rewind * 1 resulting in 10 seconds rewind.

End Key (>|) is set to 22 which means Forward * 2 resulting in 20 seconds forward.

Start Key (|<) is set to 32 which means Rewind * 2 resulting in 20 seconds rewind.

Recording Playback Keys

1. Yellow (Bookmark) key jumps forward 30 seconds.

2. Forward (>>) key appears to move a variable number of seconds with each press

3. Rewind (<<) key appears to move a variable number of seconds with each press

Red Key is set to 16 which means Yellow*6 resulting in 3 minutes jump forward.

Blue Key is set to 33 which means Rewind * 3 resulting in approximately 10 seconds rewind.

End Key (>|) is set to 24 which means Forward * 4 resulting in approximately 15 seconds forward.

Start Key (|<) is set to 34 which means Rewind * 4 resulting in approximately 20 seconds rewind

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NEW TIMESHIFT TAP!!!!!!!

This tap was originally perceived by Koops, who, after my and other folks regular wingeing about the lack of a 10 second back function in recorded and recording mode, made a beta tap to solve this...he proceeded and Andycullen decided to assist by doing his own beta's because it was something he wanted desperately....anyway, the upshot of it all is that Andy has got a Tap done and it is in my opinion, "FANTASTIC"...

This tap    http://members.westnet.com.au/web/acullen/topfield.htm   for me is the most useful Tap of all...It is a multi function and optioned back and forward tap for recorded and recording files...

Please...don't get me wrong here ...all other taps I have used have been great, and I appreciate all efforts people make with taps....but this tap gets FIRST PRIZE from me as the most useful Tap of the lot in my opinion.

regards,

foss

from Andycullen

Topfield TF5000PVRt

Recorded Program  Keys

Red Key 03:00 Forward

Blue Key 0:07 Backward

>| Key 0:15 Forward

|< Key 0:10 Backward

Timeshifted Program Keys

Red Key 03:00 Forward

Blue Key 0:07 Backward

>| Key 0:20 Forward

|< Key 0:20 Backward

Playback During Recording Keys

Red Key 03:00 Forward

Blue Key 0:10 Backward

>| Key 0:20 Forward

|< Key 0:20 Backward

The End (>|), Start (|<) and Blue Keys will automatically display the progress bar and perform the action.

Stop Tap

Selecting this menu option stops the tap.

Suspend Tap

This menu option stops the tap from intercepting key commands giving you normal key functionality.

Red Key Auto ON

The Red key functionality requires the progress bar to be displayed. If you want the Red key to work without first displaying the progress bar select "Red Key Auto ON" in the tap menu. Note: The Pip function will not be available whilst the tap is enabled and "Red Key Auto ON".

Fwd/Rew Auto ON

When the Fwd/Rew function is on the 2x, 4x, 6x fast forward and 1x, 2x, 3x rewind functions are replaced with the progress bar fast forward and rewind functions. When you press the fast forward key for the first time the tap will actually press the play button which will show the progress bar.

Reset Key Setup

You can now define what the Red, Blue, |< and >| keys by editing the ProgressBarKeys.ini file on your PC and transferring it back to the Topfield. Selecting this menu option will set the keys back to the original settings.

ProgressBarKeys.ini

Future versions of ProgressBarKeys will allow you to change the key definitions via the Topfield. If you can't wait then you can edit the ProgressBarKeys.ini file on your PC using notepad. The ProgressBarKeys.ini file is not pretty but it does the job.

The factory settings are 00 16332334 16312232 16332434

The first two digits are RedKeyAuto and Fwd/Rew Auto which can be set via the menu. The next group of digits are the key actions in Recorded Program Playback, the third set of digits are the key actions in timeshift mode and the fourth set are the Playback during recording key actions. Each pair of digits within a set defines a key in the order Red, Blue, End (>|) and Start (|<). The first digits in each pair is the key to press, the second digit is the number of times to press it.

Recorded PlayBack Keys

1. Yellow (Bookmark) key jumps forward 30 seconds.

2. Forward (>>) key moves forward 5 seconds.

3. Rewind (<<) key moves backward 2.5 seconds.

RedKey is set to 16 which means Yellow*6 resulting in 3 minutes jump forward.

Blue Key is set to 33 which means Rewind * 3 resulting in 7.5 seconds rewind.

End Key (>|) is set to 23 which means Forward * 3 resulting in 15 seconds forward.

Start Key (|<) is set to 34 which means Rewind * 4 resulting in 10 seconds rewind.

Timeshift Playback Keys

1. Yellow (Bookmark) key jumps forward 30 seconds.

2. Forward (>>) key moves forward 10 seconds.

3. Rewind (<<) key moves backward 10 seconds.

Red Key is set to 16 which means Yellow*6 resulting in 3 minutes jump forward.

Blue Key is set to 31 which means Rewind * 1 resulting in 10 seconds rewind.

End Key (>|) is set to 22 which means Forward * 2 resulting in 20 seconds forward.

Start Key (|<) is set to 32 which means Rewind * 2 resulting in 20 seconds rewind.

Recording Playback Keys

1. Yellow (Bookmark) key jumps forward 30 seconds.

2. Forward (>>) key appears to move a variable number of seconds with each press

3. Rewind (<<) key appears to move a variable number of seconds with each press

Red Key is set to 16 which means Yellow*6 resulting in 3 minutes jump forward.

Blue Key is set to 33 which means Rewind * 3 resulting in approximately 10 seconds rewind.

End Key (>|) is set to 24 which means Forward * 4 resulting in approximately 15 seconds forward.

Start Key (|<) is set to 34 which means Rewind * 4 resulting in approximately 20 seconds rewind

EDIT...this is a side benefit of installing the tap, and a very important one too

hi....

I am not sure if this feature is unique to Andy's tap or not, but I have tested this on a Toppy without the progress bar tap and a Toppy with the progress bar tap....and this is something that happens that Andy has not reported

There is also another very interesting happening that I have found and would be interested to get someone else's opinion...and that is that the tap gives an extremely fast forward and rewind function by pressing the play bar first and then pressing the |< or >| key....it advances at the rate of 1 hour in 10 seconds!!!!!!! so far I have tested this to work in recorded or recording files when using Andy's tap

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Please Excuse a total NOOB

I am totally taken in with the possibilities of the TF5000PVRt

MY one concern is .. I will replace my existing VCR with the Toppy

Will I be able to view and record analogue broadcasts as well as SD?

We apparently only get a few hours of digital per day but the one who

wears pink like to see all her show regardless of how they are broadcast.

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Don't be confused with the difference between SD and HD TV.(sorry...need to mention this just in case)

SD TV is readily available in most areas...It is HD TV that is broadcast in minimal amounts in some areas at the moment...

I don't know about availability SD TV for Lake Macquarie, but if you have SD TV broadcast, then it is most probably available 24/7 so you would not need to be able to record analogue, unless some broadcasters are not broadcasting in your area....

I did have a look at what reception you get, but not knowing exactly where you are made it a bit difficult to work out...maybe some members from that area might like to comment.

You cannot record analogue to the Topfield.

I would not throw out your VCR, just in case you need to record analogue now and then, but until you experience the abilities of a PVR and especially the TF5000PVRt, it's difficult to fathom what we are going on about.

foss

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Thanks Foss

I see the difference between SD HD and analogue

Gonna get a TOPPY anyway and work it out as time goes by

she will understand

Digger

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Yeah CM..You go from being told off for getting the Toppy in the first place, to being told off for not FF through the ads...Don't forget to look at installing some of the Taps...especially for me the Progressbars key tap, which makes file manipulation and skipping of unwanted segments easier....also Tony has some great taps available on his page, especially for me the Infodisplay7 and progress bar..but there are many taps there that will suite all kinds of tastes.....Blip has made a couple of convenient taps too...I run about 6 taps and these just enhance the Topfield experience.

My wife can't be bothered watching TV these days if it is not from the Toppy, and it is so easy to do recordings....It's so easy to log up some brownie points with very little effort, when you own a Toppie...

Just do it and sort out the flack later...you can't lose if you get past the 1st week...lol

Any problems, just ask and we will help.

foss

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Sure will

Guarantee you will be hearing from me

TAPs are a new discovery

will just get it going first

Thanks heaps

CM

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Latest ProgressbarKeys Tap version 3.5 from Andycullen.Andy also acknowledges that the idea for this tap is based on Koops ExtraJump.tap

Get this one!!!

I has more displays and more options and does all as listed below.

Brilliant!!!

foss

THIS IS FROM ANDYS WEB PAGE

IM SURE HE WON'T MIND ME PLACING THIS HERE TO TELL MEMBERS ABOUT THIS TAP

Here is a link to his page...follow the progressbarkeys link

http://members.westnet.com.au/acullen/topfield.htm

ProgressBarKeys v3.5

New features

Version 3.5 22:00 13 July 2004 WST

Changed method used to close progress bar to use RKEY_Play instead of RKEY_Exit as the RKEY_Exit method can cause other tap menus to display.

Version 3.4 19:30 13 July 2004 WST

Factory settings for |< and >| set to 15 seconds forward and back respectively.

Version 3.3 23:25 12 July 2004 WST

v3.3 Progress bar is closed 4 seconds after the last key was pressed unless the last key pressed was the play key.

ProgressBarKeys.ini is now in a more readable format.

Extra Information Box optionally available when Topfield information box or progress bar is displayed.

Macro Keys Default Settings

Recorded Program Keys

Red Key 03:00 Forward

Blue Key 0:10 Backward

>| Key 0:15 Forward

|< Key 0:15 Backward

Time shifted Program Keys

Red Key 03:00 Forward

Blue Key 0:10 Backward

>| Key 0:20 Forward

|< Key 0:20 Backward

Playback During Recording Keys

Red Key 03:00 Forward

Blue Key 0:10 Backward

>| Key 0:20 Forward

|< Key 0:20 Backward

Faster Forward and Rewind

The |< and >| key macros generate 2 times the << key and 3 times >> key per key press respectively. As a result using the |< and >| keys to move through the progress bar is two times faster in rewind and 3 faster moving forward than using the << or >> keys.

Extra Information Box

Box 1

Current date and time in the format dd/mm/yyyy hh:mm:ss.

Box 2

Reports the free space in MB on your HDD followed by and estimate of the recording time available based on the parameter MbPerMin (default is 56). I calculated the average MB per minute by recording several shows and then looking at the size and number of minutes reported in the file menu. The actual MB per minute varies depending on the channel and the program. If you don't like the number I have calculated then edit the ProgressBarKeys.ini file and put in your own estimate. If the calculated recording time available is less than the parameter HddFreeHours (default=4) the box will display with a red background.

Box 3

The third box reports the estimated date and time your disk will be full based on your current timer setting and available recording time calculated in box 2. If the hours to the ETF calculated is less than the parameter HddTimerHours (default=48) the box will display with a red background.

Estimated Time Full (ETF) Calculation Example

Current date and time 11/07/2004 14:00

Timer 1 records daily at 18:00 for 60 minutes.

The ETF will be 13/07/2004 18:00 as the calculated available disk space on that day would not be sufficient for the timer duration. There was sufficient disk space for the timer on the 11/07/2004 and 12/07/2004.

ProgressBarKeys Menu

The ProgressBarKeys menu is displayed when you start the tap manually. Once the tap is running the menu can be displayed by pressing the exit key.

ProgressBarKeys Stop

Selecting this menu option terminates the tap.

ProgressBarKeys Suspend/Resume

This menu option stops the tap from intercepting key commands giving you normal key functionality.

Red Key Auto On/Off

The Red key functionality requires the progress bar to be displayed. If you want the Red key to work without first displaying the progress bar select "Red Key Auto ON" in the tap menu. Note: The Pip function will not be available whilst the tap is enabled and "Red Key Auto ON".

Fwd/Rew Key Auto On/Off

When the Fwd/Rew Key Auto function is on the 2x, 4x, 6x fast forward and 1x, 2x, 3x rewind functions are replaced with the progress bar fast forward and rewind functions. When you press the fast forward key for the first time the tap will show the progress bar.

Progress Bar Extra Info On/Off

When this menu option is set to ON the extra information box will be displayed whenever the Topfield progress bar is displayed.

Information Box Extra Info On/Off

When this menu option is set to ON the extra information box will be displayed whenever the Topfield information box is displayed.

Information Box Extra Info Top/Bottom

When this menu option is set to Top the extra information box will be displayed on top of the Topfield progress bar. When set to Bottom the extra information box will be displayed at the bottom of the Topfield progress bar.

Reset Key Setup

This menu option will restore all the ProgressBarKeys settings back to the original settings.

Close Menu/Next Tap

This menu option closes the menu and generates the exit key for the next tap to respond to.

ProgressBarKeys.ini

You can edit the ProgressBarKeys.ini file on your PC using notepad to change the macro key definitions. I have named the |< as the "StartKey" and the >| key as the "EndKey" in the ini file.

Recorded PlayBack Keys (Mode 1)

Yellow (Bookmark) key jumps forward 30 seconds.

Forward (>>) key moves forward 5 seconds.

Rewind (<<) key moves backward 2.5 seconds.

Timeshift Playback Keys (Mode 2)

Yellow (Bookmark) key jumps forward 30 seconds.

Forward (>>) key moves forward 10 seconds.

Rewind (<<) key moves backward 10 seconds.

Recording Playback Keys (Mode 3)

Yellow (Bookmark) key jumps forward 30 seconds.

Forward (>>) key appears to move a variable number of seconds with each press.

Rewind (<<) key appears to move a variable number of seconds with each press.

ProgressBarKeys FAQ

Q. Why did you choose the Blue key to jump backwards.

A. The Topfield manual states the blue key will jump backwards 10 seconds, however the blue key only worked in Time Shift mode. The first thing this tap was trying to do was to make the blue key work the same in all modes. Once you load this tap you can make the blue key jump forward if you like.

Q. How do I display the ProgressBarKeys Menu.

A. Press the exit button

Q. What firmware has this tap been tested with.

A. Australian April 6 2004 firmware. It will not work with earlier versions as is uses functions added to the API in the April 6 2004 firmware.

firmware.

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Great work yet again.

When are you guys going to write a TAP that allows me to set my STB schedule from work as I've forgotten before I left home.

:blink:

Well done guys.

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Hopefully a quick n' easy one :blink:

No luck with user manual or site search,

Can you have the clock displayed while the unit is on?

(like it comes up when you turn it off)

Cheers

P.S. lovin the unit! so much to learn.

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Sorry if this question sounds stupid or has been asked before

When i do the firmware upgrade does the latest one have all the patches from previous upgrades?

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Yes it does.

The firmware is a complete image of the operating system. Think of it as a reinstall rather than a patch.

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Yep, as far as we can tell, each upgrade is a full firmware replacement, so doing the upgrade in steps is not necessary. We can only hope that the Topfield programmers remembered to keep the fixes in each new firmware release ;-)

Regards

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Hopefully a quick n' easy one  :blink:

No luck with user manual or site search,

Can you have the clock displayed while the unit is on?

(like it comes up when you turn it off)

Cheers

P.S. lovin the unit! so much to learn.

It can only be displayed on screen - Press the Info key

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wow ... what a machine, and the ability to code our own "TAPS" and use others leave the competition for dead.

Two questions

1. While acknowledging the usefullness of twin tuners (TF 5000), has anyone thought about the possibilities of 1 x Satellite tuner and 1 x Terrestial tuner - in the same unit ? i.e. one of each ? Then you would have a choice of free to air terrestial and also satellite broadcasts. Has anyone looked inside their toppy 5000 and seen if the tuners can be swapped in / swapped out ? I have emailed toppy aust. about this but as yet unanswered.

2. How far are people doing their USB cable runs (from PC to Toppy). Any limits? I would need 10-15 meters (computer room to lounge room)

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SC...someone will give you the technical reasons...but suffice it to say that this box can only handle digital Terrestrial signal...Satellite signal is different, both in its format and how it is decoded...

So... No, both can't be done at the same time...and Foxtel in their wisdom have made it impossible if you are referring to Pay TV...If you refer to free satellite, then you would need the satellite version...TF5500pvr

One of the Major assets of this box is the 2 tuners...which ads tremendous flexibility and in fact I have 2 boxes and the resulting 4 tuners is just about right... ..........a single tuner occupied by recording/watching is the pits, and having a single tuner recording and one watching is also very limiting

As far as USB cable length goes, it seems that 8 meters is about the limit of the Toppies USB2 speed length without some type of powered extender...some members have done that successfully(Toppy USB2 speed is not the full speed, but many hardware items vary in how fast the USB2 speed goes for various reasons) .

One member, PeterU, has worked out how to do Ethernet transfer....this is not easy to do because you would consider the Toppy as being a peripheral, the same as a small digital camera with no operating program ....Peter says this can be done wirelessly as well...we are anxiously waiting for a description and pics...it could help many members, and would not void the warrantee...I use a removable drive system which is very flexible and fast, but that is not for everyone and it voids the warrantee...

I have written a fair bit in both forums about my exploits with the Toppy and there are many many excellent topics and posts done by other members...if you cared to read the reams of posts that have been made on the Toppy, the answers to every question you have is here and on the other forum.

Its nice to see an enthusiastic first post, and all of your questions are answered already...if you can't find the answer ask and someone will answer...

foss

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Thanks Foss. Well answered.

I'm still hoping Toppy makes a combined Sat./Terr. twin tuner next year.

I'll do a search and have a look at your removeable drive system - This sounds like the way I will go. ie. pull out HDD when full, replace with another empty Hdd and burn to DVD anyhthing you want to keep.

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Yep...that sort of sums it up, however Alex's program will allow you to transfer from Toppy drive to toppy drive at the PC if you have 2 caddies set up and will also allow transfer from Toppy drive to the PC and PC to the toppy drive...The Toppy to Toppy transfer allows the consolidation of archives...Of course you can do last night program just by removing the drive with data and placing another drive in its place...both machines need to be turned off before removing or replacing drives.

In fact you can run the Toppy as a STB without a drive,...It works very well.

As far as a Sat and Terrest combined version goes...I dont think so...in fact it just won't happen...there is no requirement apart from 0.01% of the population...hardly a reason to spend multiple dollars developing it

foss

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Hopefully a quick n' easy one  :blink:

No luck with user manual or site search,

Can you have the clock displayed while the unit is on?

(like it comes up when you turn it off)

Cheers

P.S. lovin the unit! so much to learn.

It can only be displayed on screen - Press the Info key

I have succesfully used 3 * 5 meter extender cables plugged into a powered USB2 mini hub plus a normal USB 2 cable for a total length of about 20meters

.

Extender cables I used are http://www.comsol.com.au/prodmore.asp?id=U...etail.asp?l1=25

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Okay, I thought I was just going to carry the PVR to the computer room?

Not a good idea?

Will I want PC permanently cabled, or would I just run cable through middle of house when I want to do a transfer?

(I haven't yet bought my STB/PVR, nor moved into house where I'm going to. Just trying to get a head start.)

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Could somebody please provide advice for a newbie on my proposed setup?

My tv has an SCART RGB connection. I understand that I’ll need to buy a SCART to SCART cable. Is there anything I need to know about choosing such a cable? What should I expect to pay?

I intend hooking the SPDIF connection up to my amplifier which has a 5.1 decoder.

I’ve read in this forum that SD isn’t transmitted with 5.1 sound. Is this likely to change? Do I have any options here?

For saving a movie longer-term, would I use my S-VHS VCR, or copy to PC and burn a DVD? (Note: I’d have to borrow my brothers PC with USB 2 port and DVD burner.)

To use VCR, would I simply leave it connected to PVR’s S-Video and L/R audio? I’m unclear as to how this works. Does this allow taping both direct from tuner as well as from stored files?

I presume that I’ll get better results from burning DVDs, though it would obviously be more work. Would it only be practical to do this for stuff I want to keep permanently?

I understand that there are PVRs with built in DVD burners. Is that a better option, or is it only saving one step of transferring from PVR to PC?

Well, I’ve got my list of suppliers around Brisbane. Time to start shopping!

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Okay, I thought I was just going to carry the PVR to the computer room?

Not a good idea?

Will I want PC permanently cabled, or would I just run cable through middle of house when I want to do a transfer?

(I haven't yet bought my STB/PVR, nor moved into house where I'm going to. Just trying to get a head start.)

I just connect the extender cables when I need it . I could probably run the cable through the roof but will see what hasppens :blink:

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