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#26 shinrai

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 07:01 AM

Have to remember too that these are launch titles, most of the games have been developed with strict timelines and so AA isn't always an option as they're just trying to get the game out as fast as possible, with as good a frame rate as they can with as little knowledge that they have for 360 hardware at this early stage. Upcoming games will use AA far more.


What have they done with v-sync? Are you seeing any tearing?

#27 detect

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 07:30 AM

XBox360 will only do 1080i anyway... the PS3 is the one that can do dual 1080p.

Btw, Component can certainly do 1080p, but only at 1080p24, 1080p25 and probably 1080p30 aswell.



Games on the PS3 will only be at 720p and 1080i. Looks like the Blue-ray player is the only way you are gonna get 1080p.

I have a 360 and a plasma and I see no jaggies on any game I've played.

Edited by detect, 14 February 2006 - 07:32 AM.


#28 arbok

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 08:37 AM

Games on the PS3 will only be at 720p and 1080i. Looks like the Blue-ray player is the only way you are gonna get 1080p.

I have a 360 and a plasma and I see no jaggies on any game I've played.


not true - PS3 has been quoted as being able to do 1080p on two screens

#29 shinrai

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 08:41 AM

not true - PS3 has been quoted as being able to do 1080p on two screens


Initial reports from developers say that's not the case and it will not be able to achieve decent frames at 1080p on one monitor. Apparently 720p/1080i just like the 360.

#30 Skiller

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 09:27 AM

I am a developer and from what I've been told the PS3 *CAN* do 1080p, and I'm pretty sure even 2x 1080p, but as mentioned since some games may not cope well at 1080p they'll be done in 720p or 1080i then scaled or de-interlaced on the PS3 and output at 1080p.
But I'm not working on our PS3 atm so it is still possible that I'm wrong.

#31 Bronx19

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 10:04 AM

Like I said previously, dual HDMI will be a huge waste of time.

#32 dkmaj

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 10:39 AM

the xbox 360 has a usb connector, it can be used (among other things) for the connection of the wireless network adapter. Being an extremely dear $169, do you think its possible that you could use another (say netcomm or belkin etc.) USB wireless network adapter and get the same result?!?!?!?!

#33 Obitus

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 10:42 AM

PS3 won't be doing 1080p in any game, it will be 720p, 1080i period. And detect, there are some jaggies present in the launch titles, not that hard to see if you look, but not really an issue.

#34 dkmaj

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 11:16 AM

http://www.dse.com.a...t/View/YG1101W1

seen the above, pre order on line at DSE for 2 free Xbox 360 games....

...anyone want to answer my usb connector query!!!???

#35 Muzzaroony

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 11:28 AM

Perhaps the biggest bombshell we've learned in the world of PS3 development right now is that many (if not most) games are simply running in 720p - not the ambitious, bleeding edge 1080p "Full HD" standard that Sony had us so excited about. And certainly, not two of them stuck together for a ludicrous 32:9 double-1080p.


http://games.kikizo....0602/065_p2.asp

#36 Paranoid666au

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 12:07 PM

I am a developer and from what I've been told the PS3 *CAN* do 1080p, and I'm pretty sure even 2x 1080p, but as mentioned since some games may not cope well at 1080p they'll be done in 720p or 1080i then scaled or de-interlaced on the PS3 and output at 1080p.
But I'm not working on our PS3 atm so it is still possible that I'm wrong.


As far as I know the PS3 doesn't actually exist yet so you must be talking about a beta kit. :blink:


It's looking more like the PS3 is not the Xbox 360 crusher Sony make it out to be. With Sony's reputation for hype you can't believe what they say. The PS3 does looks like a good console, apart from that weird shaped controller. But enough isn't known about it yet. It isn't a 360 crusher, more like on par at the very least.

You know the MGS demo on the PS3, well that wasn't an actual game, no controls or AI or anything like that, it was just a tech demo. And Hideo Kojima himself in an interview said that it was technical possible to do the tech demo on the 360 as well.

Australia wont see the PS3 till the end off the year at least and it probably won't be till early next year. Though with the Xbox 360 already out Sony might want to hurry up there launch dates otherwise there gonna be in trouble.

The 360 is an awesome console, it's very powerful and efficient hardware that's very easy for developers to program for. In fact it's suppose to have better development tools than the Xbox 1.

the xbox 360 has a usb connector, it can be used (among other things) for the connection of the wireless network adapter. Being an extremely dear $169, do you think its possible that you could use another (say netcomm or belkin etc.) USB wireless network adapter and get the same result?!?!?!?!


Don't think so because you would need a driver to use it which the 360 doesn't have. But you could use a Wi Fi bridge and hook it up to the ethernet port.

Personally I'm gonna get the MS adapter cause it's small, compact and attaches onto he back of the console. Probably be able to import it for around $140-$150 but I'm gonna wait a while to see if the price comes down over seas.

Edited by Paranoid666au, 14 February 2006 - 12:03 PM.


#37 shinrai

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 01:58 PM

What have they done with v-sync? Are you seeing any tearing?


Hey Obitus, any response to the above?

#38 Obitus

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 02:22 PM

Hey Obitus, any response to the above?


Perfect Dark 0 is the only game with tearing at the moment, and that is just because for whatever reason they couldn't get the frame rate locked down so they left vsync off, and there is some tearing in the game as a result, though once you're playing you really do zone out and not even notice it, and it isn't that bad anyway. So far I own Perfect dark 0, Project gotham racing 3, Condemed, Kameo and Call of duty 2 and PD0 is the only one with tearing.

#39 shinrai

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 02:40 PM

Perfect Dark 0 is the only game with tearing at the moment, and that is just because for whatever reason they couldn't get the frame rate locked down so they left vsync off, and there is some tearing in the game as a result, though once you're playing you really do zone out and not even notice it, and it isn't that bad anyway. So far I own Perfect dark 0, Project gotham racing 3, Condemed, Kameo and Call of duty 2 and PD0 is the only one with tearing.


Thanks. That's good news.

I used to get massive tearing on my plasma (from pc), no matter what frames but since i've solved that problem gaming has been a whole new experience. I just don't want to see it be an issue on the 360 or i'll end up selling it.

Condemed and Kameo are the two i want to try out the most. Probably the first tittles i'll buy.

Thanks again.

#40 DavoNogo

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 02:56 PM

I used to get massive tearing on my plasma (from pc), no matter what frames but since i've solved that problem gaming has been a whole new experience. I just don't want to see it be an issue on the 360 or i'll end up selling it.

No matter what frames? Even 2fps?

j/k, although I do a have a question... do you have an ATi or nVidia card?

#41 bingk6

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 03:05 PM

It has VGA, no DVI or HDMI

Hey Obitus,
All the promos for the 360 would seem to indicate that even at the higher $649 package includes component cables only. How did you managed to get VGA from your 360 ??
bingk6

#42 pandemik

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 03:12 PM

Hey Obitus,
All the promos for the 360 would seem to indicate that even at the higher $649 package includes component cables only. How did you managed to get VGA from your 360 ??
bingk6


you can buy a xbox360-->VGA cable. Either the "real" microsoft version, or a 3rd-party version

here is a LINK

cheers

#43 shinrai

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 03:14 PM

No matter what frames? Even 2fps?

j/k, although I do a have a question... do you have an ATi or nVidia card?


LoL - even 30/60/90 etc. Always some sort of tearing or non-sync.

Nvidia 6800GT and since dxtweaker not one tear.

#44 ejm

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 03:23 PM

I have been talking (on the net) to a game developer who is working on games for the PS3 and he says that it is a bit of a myth that it (PS3) is hard to develop for.

#45 pandemik

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 03:25 PM

I have been talking (on the net) to a game developer who is working on games for the PS3 and he says that it is a bit of a myth that it (PS3) is hard to develop for.


Even if it were "hard" to develop for...or "harder" than the x360.. its not all that likely that the big game developers are going to say "ah well, its a bit hard - we'll miss out on the millions of potential customers, because its all a bit hard for us to cope" :blink:

#46 DavoNogo

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Posted 14 February 2006 - 04:12 PM

Nvidia 6800GT and since dxtweaker not one tear.

I was going to suggest getting dxtweaker, but looks like you beat me to it :blink:

#47 Jert

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Posted 15 February 2006 - 09:20 PM

Hi,

I have an xbox 360 with 3rd party "madcatz" component cable. I have plugged it into my Panasonic CRT 300A "apparent" HD television, however I am only able to select 480p... When I select 720p the picture is completly stuffed and when I select 1080i it still crap (although you can see a partial image on the screen).

The TV specs state that it can run 576p and 1080i so why cant I get a picture? I dont have the screen resolution specs with me right now but could it be something to do with this? Anyway, the picture is still pretty good on 480p, but I have been lead to beleive that this isn't "true HD" so I'm feeling a little peeved.

Can anyone tell me whether I need a new TV to get the 720p and 1080i settings?

#48 shinrai

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Posted 15 February 2006 - 09:32 PM

Hi,

I have an xbox 360 with 3rd party "madcatz" component cable. I have plugged it into my Panasonic CRT 300A "apparent" HD television, however I am only able to select 480p... When I select 720p the picture is completly stuffed and when I select 1080i it still crap (although you can see a partial image on the screen).

The TV specs state that it can run 576p and 1080i so why cant I get a picture? I dont have the screen resolution specs with me right now but could it be something to do with this? Anyway, the picture is still pretty good on 480p, but I have been lead to beleive that this isn't "true HD" so I'm feeling a little peeved.

Can anyone tell me whether I need a new TV to get the 720p and 1080i settings?


I don't believe those pana's support 720p. I'm not sure why 1080i doesn't work but the next best option is if you have avga connector, to buy the 360 vga cable and run at you panels native res.

And while i'm here, have you guys checked out the latest 360 Far Cry: Instincts video's. WOW!

http://media.xbox360...949/vids_1.html

#49 Paranoid666au

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Posted 15 February 2006 - 09:33 PM

Hey Jert I got the same cables as you with my 360. I used it on both an NEC HD plasma and Sony HD CRT and all modes work fine.

The HD output on the 360, even the PAL 360 which is what I got, only runs in 60Hz. So you should check to see if you TV suports 1080i at 60Hz.

#50 Jert

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Posted 15 February 2006 - 09:44 PM

Hmm... I'll have a look at the specs when I get home. I have a feeling this might be the problem. Thanks Paranoid.

BTW, how does the 360 look on your NEC plasma? Is it better that the Sony CRT? Im thinking of purchasing a HD plasma if I can't get the 360 running on HD with my current CRT.