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#1 bicyclerepairman

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 06:36 PM

just looking at another forum i visit and there is a bit of a debate about which bands should considered the greatest of all-time. the genuine all-time greats.
i've always thought that there is an elite group of artists, not too big, that are the greatest. a top tier.
for me some of the bands would include sabbath, led zep, pink floyd.
who else though?
does radiohead qualify?

what makes an artist one of the greatest ever? it can't be about selling squillions of records, surely?
does the artist have to be one from the sixties or early seventies?
we are always hearing people in the media going on about this or that band being one of the greatest, but sometimes it looks like not a lot of thought went into their list.

so who REALLY are the artists that will go down in music history as the greatest of all-time?

#2 yorac

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 08:34 PM

Beatles
Rolling Stones
Fleetwood Mac
Elvis Presley
Elton John
Bee Gees
Paul McCartney (as a solo artist)
Billy Joel
The Eagles
Pink Floyd
Barbra Streisand
Frank Sinatra

#3 oztheatre

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 10:05 PM

It depends when you want history to go down, lol.

Cant really list bands from the past 10 years or so because their music might not be on the shelf in 20 years time so it really has to be dated to find the bands that stayed and had longevity.

Bands:
Beatles
Rolling Stones
Aerosmith
Van Halen
Zeppelin
The Who
Sabbath
Pink Floyd
Santana
The Beach Boys
REM
Springsteen
Hendrix
I'd add Pearl Jam and Dave Matthews band (Crash is one of the best albums ever) to that list too, probably wont sit well with the tone deaf folks from the 40's and 50's though. LOL.

Then you could do another list in 20 years and see how many bands from the 60's are still there and still being remembered.. I don't see the Beatles going away anytime soon, Elvis can go away though, over that.
I'd also add ZZ Top and U2 even though I rarely listen to U2, they're still a great band. oh and ACDC should be there for their early stuff.


Singer Songwriters
Elton John
Billy Joel
cant be bothered with this part, you said bands anyway.

Here's a list from Gibson, top 50 but these are American bands. http://www2.gibson.c...-0701-2011.aspx

Edited by oztheatre, 09 February 2014 - 10:06 PM.


#4 craigandkim

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 02:00 PM

Its an interesting topic, with many aspects.

Definition of the adjective; greatest = not to be surpassed, greatest in size of those under consideration, greatest in importance or degree or significance or achievement, highest in quality.

If you apply that word to the aspects of your question "what makes an artist one of the greatest ever?" you cannot discount total sales, but surely must also include longevity, popularity, creativity, ticket sales etc.

Sales and popularity surely must be inter-linked and must heavily contribute to an artist's stature and with this aspect in mind, I don't think there has ever been a band as popular as the Beatles.
In that regard no other band comes close to their total sales. The achievement is astounding when you compare their recording & touring career of around 8 years (only touring for 4 years) to any other band.

On the other hand compare the longevity of the Stones...they still pack stadiums after 50 years. Elvis never toured outside the US, but had a huge worldwide following.

Other greatest artists would be ABBA or Michael Jackson, both had phenomenal success. Jackson with the worlds biggest selling album and ABBA 2nd to the Beatles with total sales. Hendrix punches way above his weight purely because of his talent, he was unlike any other guitarist...he'll always be remembered as one of the greatest even though he only released 3 studio albums.

Its definitely a topic of intense debate...

PS: Of recent artists worthy of mention is Adele and her album 21....
“We are thrilled to honor Adele with an RIAA Diamond award marking her enormous ‘21’ sales success. Selling more than 10 million albums in the United States, in less than two years, is an achievement unparalleled by any other artist in the past decade, let alone just a few in all of history...."

Will this album have as much impact as say Thriller, Appetite for Destruction, Led Zeppelin or Back In Black? Only time will tell.

Edited by craigandkim, 10 February 2014 - 02:05 PM.


#5 kwarrior

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 03:23 PM

Beatles
Rolling Stones
Fleetwood Mac
Elvis Presley
Elton John
Bee Gees
Paul McCartney (as a solo artist)
Billy Joel
The Eagles
Pink Floyd
Barbra Streisand
Frank Sinatra


Michael Jackson?
Jethro Tull?
Doors (Jim Morrison)?

#6 yorac

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:58 PM

Bocelli anyone...........

#7 oztheatre

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 09:39 PM

Bocelli anyone...........


No thanks mate I just had cannelloni :D

#8 yorac

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 04:48 PM

John Williams
Quincy Jones..............

#9 oztheatre

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 06:26 PM

Iron Maiden

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 06:56 PM

The one the only Carlos Santana


#11 oztheatre

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 08:21 PM

The one the only Carlos Santana


He's a legend, I actually rate him better than Hendrix simply because he's done more and I like his sound and style.
Saw him at the state theatre in 1990 something, before he went all commercial, his latin band were amazing too, of course!

#12 oztheatre

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 08:29 PM

You can just leave his website open, great tunes playin http://www.santana.com/

#13 bicyclerepairman

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 09:39 PM

on this american forum quite a lot of people were saying that queen shouldn't be in that list. mostly americans saying that btw.
queen did have a big drop in popularity when 'hot space' came out and didn't really recover.
so a lot of people in the states missed out on hearing some really good songs on the radio from 'the works' onward.
that would include 'one vision', 'radio ga ga', 'a kind of magic', 'innuendo' 'i want to break free', 'who wants to live forever', etc. i'm talking about some of the singles there.

i've lived in oz, nz and england, and as far as i can tell in those countries, queen is a much loved band by a lot of people.
especially in britain of course. funny that, as when they were around the media in england absolutely hated them with a passion.

anyway, i was genuinely shocked when i read a number of people saying they don't deserve to be called one of the greatest.
obviously there were others who said they do.
i don't like the who, but its obvious that they are one of the greatest bands of all-time. i don't think you have to actually love their music.

some people said how queen simply cannot compare with the other all-time great bands. well why not? how are they inferior?
if its about sales,[which it ain't] they've just become the first artist to reach 6 million sales in britain for their greatest hits lp.
they had 4 writers who each wrote number one hit singles for the band.
they could play all types of styles very successfully. well mostly!
they were very inventive within their music, they were unique.
but above all, many of their songs have lasted, and are still as good nowadays, and still finding new fans.

announced today on brian may's site:

Legendary British band Queen have made chart history by becoming the first act ever to reach 6 million UK sales of an album, the Official Charts Company can confirm.

Queen have broken chart records after surpassing the 6 million sales milestone with their 1981 Greatest Hits album. Britain’s best-selling album of all time, a staggering one in three British families (or one in four British households) now owns a copy of the iconic act’s original best-of collection featuring such classic tracks as We Will Rock You, Another One Bites The Dust and their top-selling hit, Bohemian Rhapsody.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 11:32 AM

I vote Queen...led by my ex-school mate...Faroukh Balsara!! :D

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 11:32 AM

The one the only Carlos Santana


Wow!! Yes +1

Edited by kwarrior, 12 February 2014 - 11:32 AM.


#16 oztheatre

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 02:45 PM

Queen have to be up there for sure. They were amazing. Not surprising for Americans to forget, they seem to think America is the entire world sometimes.
Many Americans typically rate the Kinks better than the Beatles..

#17 mello yello

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 06:11 PM

yes, Who are the greatest



#18 captain_pugwash

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 01:19 AM

I would add New York Dolls as very influential and great songs, we might not have had punk withoput them :purple:

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 05:19 PM

On a purely "influential" level...(and some of these may be galling to you)

Andrews Sisters
Bob Marley
Aretha Franklin
Prince
Bowie
Kraftwerk
Deep Purple
Madonna
Kylie
Sex Pistols
Herbie Hancock
Miles Davis
Joni Mitchell
Johnny Cash
Patsy Cline
I could keep going....just depends on how wide you cast the "genre" net

Edited by oscwilde, 22 February 2014 - 05:26 PM.


#20 craigandkim

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 09:11 PM

On a purely "influential" level...(and some of these may be galling to you)

Andrews Sisters
Bob Marley
Aretha Franklin
Prince
Bowie
Kraftwerk
Deep Purple
Madonna
Kylie
Sex Pistols
Herbie Hancock
Miles Davis
Joni Mitchell
Johnny Cash
Patsy Cline
I could keep going....just depends on how wide you cast the "genre" net


No Bob Dylan??

#21 oztheatre

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 10:15 AM

Yeah Dylan should be there.

add the Police, Sting.. In fact Sting's solo stuff is as good or better than the music he made with the Police

#22 kwarrior

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:30 AM

+ 1 for Sting & Dylan.
And Jethro Tull???

#23 craigandkim

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 07:17 PM

Yeah Dylan should be there.
add the Police, Sting.. In fact Sting's solo stuff is as good or better than the music he made with the Police


Indeed.....

#24 mello yello

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Posted 21 March 2014 - 03:22 PM

all rise for the National Anthem...




#25 geoffcb

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 10:52 AM

+1 Tull