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#1 alanh

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Posted 05 December 2004 - 12:43 AM

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#2 KT Faith

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Posted 06 December 2004 - 10:52 AM

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All,
The following transmitters cover the Illawarra Area
Main (High Powered) Transmitters (Knights Hill)
Station call sign, Logical channel number which appears on the front of the STB,  Real (RF) channel number. http://www2b.abc.net...d=5444&presdir=
ABWN(2)51, SBS(3)54, WIN(8)36, CTC(Southern Cross(5))37, CBN(Prime (6)) 38 with channels 50 & 57 spare.

The antenna should be mounted horizontally.

Stanwell Park
ABWN(2)52, SBS(3)49, WIN(8)40, CTC(5)43, CBN(6)46, Spare 55, 58
http://www2b.abc.net...d=5457&presdir=
The antenna must have its short elements horizontal.

Wollongong
ABWN(2)51, SBS(3)54, WIN(8)38, CTC(5)36, CBN(6)37, Spare 50, 57
http://www2b.abc.net...d=5464&presdir=
The antenna must have its short elements horizontal.

Nowra North
ABWN(2)66, SBS(3)63, WIN(8)34, CTC(5)40, CBN(6)43, Spare 50, 68
http://www2b.abc.net...d=5452&presdir=
Antenna must be have its short elements pointing towards the ground

Further south look at Monaro and Far South Coast in the NSW Regional Viewer’s forum

Band 5  antenna should be used for all the above sites.
Yagi
Fracarro  20RD5 11-14 dB
Hills TMX18 B5 11-16.5 dB
Wisi EB66 Ch 38-69 ≤16.5 dB (29º acceptance)

Log Periodic
Fracarro LP5HV 9.0 dB

http://www.hillsante.../UHFAntenna.pdf
http://www.fracarro..../0/Antennas.pdf



For diffuse signals (blocked by hills etc)
Phased array
Hills Super Hunter 11.5-15 dB
Jaycar LT3138 12 dB
Wisi EE06 ≤13.5 dB (46º H 27º V acceptance Hor Pol)
Amplifier if required Kingray MHW38G + Power supply PSK08 http://www.gme.net.a.../mastheads.html

The higher the number of dBs the more sensitive.

The last option is indoor rabbits the total length is;
band 5 215 mm. Typically 0 dB unless there is an amplifier in the base.

Note none of the above antennas are designed to receive Digital Audio Broadcasting or FM radio.

If you have an old VHF antenna for this area, it was designed for channel 4 which is in the centre of the FM band.

Finally,

Consult
Check http://www.dba.org.a...sp?sectionID=22 for transmitter openings
http://www.dba.org.a...sp?sectionID=25 for further information about houses or http://www.dba.org.a...sp?sectionID=26 for apartments.

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#3 KT Faith

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Posted 06 December 2004 - 11:05 AM

:blink: Thanks much for this helpful information. Do I assume from your information re N Nowra frequencies that the commercial channels are actually broadcasting now, or are they just proposed frequencies?? This would contrast the reception guide info provided elsewhere in this website.

This is important to me as I have until now put off going FTA Digital as I already receive ABC & SBS through Austar, and assumed that was all that's available in the Shoalhaven at the present time.

Also, I note that you don't mention the Ulladulla details here or in your S Coast post. Although I live north of Nowra my analogue reception is currently better from Ulladulla due to local line of sight problems.

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All,
The following transmitters cover the Illawarra Area
Main (High Powered) Transmitters (Knights Hill)
Station call sign, Logical channel number which appears on the front of the STB,  Real (RF) channel number. http://www2b.abc.net...d=5444&presdir=
ABWN(2)51, SBS(3)54, WIN(8)36, CTC(Southern Cross(5))37, CBN(Prime (6)) 38 with channels 50 & 57 spare.

The antenna should be mounted horizontally.

Stanwell Park
ABWN(2)52, SBS(3)49, WIN(8)40, CTC(5)43, CBN(6)46, Spare 55, 58
http://www2b.abc.net...d=5457&presdir=
The antenna must have its short elements horizontal.

Wollongong
ABWN(2)51, SBS(3)54, WIN(8)38, CTC(5)36, CBN(6)37, Spare 50, 57
http://www2b.abc.net...d=5464&presdir=
The antenna must have its short elements horizontal.

Nowra North
ABWN(2)66, SBS(3)63, WIN(8)34, CTC(5)40, CBN(6)43, Spare 50, 68
http://www2b.abc.net...d=5452&presdir=
Antenna must be have its short elements pointing towards the ground

Further south look at Monaro and Far South Coast in the NSW Regional Viewer’s forum

Band 5  antenna should be used for all the above sites.
Yagi
Fracarro  20RD5 11-14 dB
Hills TMX18 B5 11-16.5 dB
Wisi EB66 Ch 38-69 ≤16.5 dB (29º acceptance)

Log Periodic
Fracarro LP5HV 9.0 dB

http://www.hillsante.../UHFAntenna.pdf
http://www.fracarro..../0/Antennas.pdf



For diffuse signals (blocked by hills etc)
Phased array
Hills Super Hunter 11.5-15 dB
Jaycar LT3138 12 dB
Wisi EE06 ≤13.5 dB (46º H 27º V acceptance Hor Pol)
Amplifier if required Kingray MHW38G + Power supply PSK08 http://www.gme.net.a.../mastheads.html

The higher the number of dBs the more sensitive.

The last option is indoor rabbits the total length is;
band 5 215 mm. Typically 0 dB unless there is an amplifier in the base.

Note none of the above antennas are designed to receive Digital Audio Broadcasting or FM radio.

If you have an old VHF antenna for this area, it was designed for channel 4 which is in the centre of the FM band.

Finally,

Consult
Check http://www.dba.org.a...sp?sectionID=22 for transmitter openings
http://www.dba.org.a...sp?sectionID=25 for further information about houses or http://www.dba.org.a...sp?sectionID=26 for apartments.

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Posted 06 December 2004 - 06:53 PM

Hi alanh,

I understand Wollongong (Brokers Nose) now broadcasts on different frequencies.
ABWN 2 (52) SBS 3 (49) WIN 8 (40) CTC 5 (43) CBN 6 (46)

Which type of antennas are required to receive Sydney digital services from the Gong?

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Posted 06 December 2004 - 10:22 PM

KT Faith,
Look at http://www.dba.org.a...sp?sectionID=22 South Coast Nowra N for dates periodically until they start.

ant5476,
I agree with you all but SBS. Could you check if it is on channel 54 or 49. The installation menu or the program menu should tell you.

As for receiving Sydney, check to see if you are in the blue section http://www2b.abc.net...sp/largemap.asp?
Since there is hilly terrain in your area, it may prevent reception. The higher up above the roof the better.

use either Hills CA16 10.5-12 dB or
Matchmaster CPA16H ≤12.5 dB needs a balun.
http://www.hillsante.../VHFAntenna.pdf
http://server160.plu.../FX07_10_13.pdf (B3)

Masthead amplifier:Band 3
Kingray MHV44HLG B3 44 dB B4-5 10 dB
Power supply PSK08
http://www.gme.net.a.../mastheads.html

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#6 KT Faith

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Posted 16 December 2004 - 10:18 AM

Thanks AlanH for your helpful advice. As I live in Cambewarra but out of line of site of the Cambewarra Mtn transmitter, I took a hunch, borrowed a friend's Thomson SD STB and used a spare (unmounted) aerial stuck into the ground all hooked up to a small TV outside the house and managed to receive 7 reasonably strong signals covering all 5 available networks by pointing the aerial roughly towards Knight's Hill (over a high ridgeline to the North of where I live) from where I presume (?) these signals are coming from. Repeating the procedure with my fixed antenna on top of a 2 storey roof (pointing towards Ulladulla) only picked up ABC & 2 different SBS transmissions, plus a pixellated WIN TV (with no sound). All this is in contrast to the local "experts" who told me I wouldn't be able to pick up anything.

Incidentally, the local Dick Smith manager from whom I bought some aerial cable for the ouside test from yesterday told me WIN TV will be starting test transmissions from Cambewarra mtn on December 20, and I believe SBS are also commencing transmission from there shortly.

So my next question (which maybe should be in another forum) is if I was to buy a SD STB, what would be the best means of connection for this my current system which comprises:

1. Loewe profil plus 100hz TV with Scart Euro AV1 RGB input (?? OK for component input), a second SCART S-VHS output + the usual audio A/V out plus 2 satellite input plugs etc.

2. Austar ATLAS digital STB (only has SVHS and A/V outputs for sound and video).
3. Onkyo TX-SR600 DTS 6.1 Receiver.
4. Samsung DVD/6 head HiFi VCR combo.

All this with a SD-STB. The Thomson I borrowed seemed to work quite well although setup and channel change a bit fiddly. Any other suggestions? Would a Topfield TF5000 which seems to get a lot of mileage in this forum be a better option (for digital recording? I seem to remember reasding it won't work with Austar). :blink:

All advice in setting up all of the above would be greatly appreciated. Maybe I will see the Boxing day test in digital after all!! (current Ulladulla analogue picture is so bad you can hardly see the cricket ball).

Thanks.
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Posted 16 December 2004 - 08:51 PM

KT
I would highly recommend Homecast EM1150 (Emtec) STB,s
I have installed these in so called "forget it ,theres no signal there"
locations and have been in contact with customers to check how reception has been over last 12 months.All have reported perfect operation.These are in areas where analog was mostly unwatchable -channels loose colour,sound distorts,and 4 balls on a footy field at once
These boxes work !!!
I get mine from laceys tv

Bellotv


(really easy to set up too especially if you know what channels your looking for thanks ALANH )

#8 alanh

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Posted 20 December 2004 - 11:27 PM

KT Faith,

All antennas have their short elements on the side closest to the transmitter. In all areas of the Illawarra except Nowra North and Ulladulla the antenna has all its elements horizontal to match those on the transmitters.

*_*_*_* Side view

In Nowra North and Ulladulla the antenna is rotated in the vertical plane to make all elements vertically, ie point towards the ground. This is the way the those transmitter antennas are mounted. This is to allow transmitters on the same channel to be physically closer together

|-|-|-| Side view

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Posted 04 January 2005 - 01:59 PM

Hi alanh,

I understand Wollongong (Brokers Nose) now broadcasts on different frequencies.
ABWN 2 (52) SBS 3 (49) WIN 8 (40) CTC 5 (43) CBN 6 (46)

Which type of antennas are required to receive Sydney digital services from the Gong?

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SBS Broker's Nose is still channel 54 (SFN with Knights Hill).
There is no transmission on channel 49.

I am on a North facing hill and can detect the following using a Band 4/5 UHF only antenna:

36 37 38 40 43 46 52 54 (although the 1st 3 are not strong enough to use)

I also have a VHF/UHF combo antenna which just manages to allow me to detect ch 11 (TEN) and ch 12 (ABC) in Sydney but no well enough to actually watch. It really depends on your location and antenna - at the Uni we can get all the Sydney VHF digital channels.

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 04:23 PM

Just wondering. Is it posssable to get Nine, Seven and Ten from Wollongong?

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 07:07 PM

Just wondering. Is it posssable to get Nine, Seven and Ten from Wollongong?


If you mean picking up Seven, Nine & Ten from Sydney, in Wollongong, then that depends on whereabouts in Wollongong you're located. :D

If you've got a good northern line-of-sight, and a good VHF antenna designed to picking up distant VHF signals, then you've got a good chance of getting Sydney TV stations. :blink:

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 07:35 PM

KT Faith,
Look at http://www.dba.org.a...sp?sectionID=22 South Coast Nowra N for dates periodically until they start.

ant5476,
I agree with you all but SBS. Could you check if it is on channel 54 or 49. The installation menu or the program menu should tell you.

As for receiving Sydney, check to see if you are in the blue section http://www2b.abc.net...sp/largemap.asp?
Since there is hilly terrain in your area, it may prevent reception. The higher up above the roof the better.

use either Hills CA16 10.5-12 dB or
Matchmaster CPA16H ≤12.5 dB needs a balun.
http://www.hillsante.../VHFAntenna.pdf
http://server160.plu.../FX07_10_13.pdf (B3)

Masthead amplifier:Band 3
Kingray MHV44HLG B3 44 dB B4-5 10 dB
Power supply PSK08
http://www.gme.net.a.../mastheads.html

AlanH


Note a change of URL for Masthead amplifiers
http://www.gme.net.au/index.php

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 01:36 PM

from horst in oak flats
i discoverd this side by accident,
so here are my 2 cents of advice:
buy the longest uhf aerial from dicky smith >$125<
if you can clear the gape at bulli ,
than :D you can receive all the sydney stations,
thats what i did !
but than again,i am an old tech,retired.
have a good day :blink:



Hi horst strecker

What does it mean to "clear the gape at bulli ," and how do I know if I can do it? Can I see it on Google Earth? (That's how I checked my angle for the Artarmon towers to my house).

You're suggesting I just need a long uhf antenna (which I have, about 1.2m long). I'm interested in getting Sydney TV but I thought I'd need an UHF and VHF antenna since the Artarmon transmitters would be the ones that reach this far:

SYDNEY DIGITAL TV CHANNEL NUMBERS

Stations ABC SBS 7 9 10
Artarmon
Willoughby 12 34 6 8 11
Kings Cross 30 34 48 33 45
North Head 30 34 48 33 45


I live at Mt Ousley and it seems like some of my neighbours have big antennas pointing at Sydney (Brokers Nose is just above us and it's easy to tell they aren't point up there). Yes I know, why don't I go and talk to the neigbours . . . . I will, I will, I will

Thankyou
Stump

Edited by Very-Stumpy, 28 March 2007 - 01:48 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2007 - 07:45 PM

horst strecker,
The only digital channels you should try and receive are ATN6, TCN8 & TEN11. The ABC & SBS have identical programs on Illawarra, Brokers Nose and Sydney. The only other digital channel which is not avaiable is a datacast trial. All other digital transmitters in Sydney are very low powered.

From that distance the only antenna worth having is a phased array such as a CA16 and probably a masthead amplifier
Read Get the Best Reception, Sydney and read the links.

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 08:47 PM

Horst,
The main reason I replied is that the Sydney stations you want are on Band 3 VHF, you said UHF.

I suggest you read Read Antenna Design Basics + Amplification, Terms and comparison of types

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 03:24 PM


Just wondering. Is it posssable to get Nine, Seven and Ten from Wollongong?


If you mean picking up Seven, Nine & Ten from Sydney, in Wollongong, then that depends on whereabouts in Wollongong you're located. :D

If you've got a good northern line-of-sight, and a good VHF antenna designed to picking up distant VHF signals, then you've got a good chance of getting Sydney TV stations. :blink:


Late reply, but i pretty much only get Sydney channels and i'm in Corrimal. They drop out big time in any storm.
I have both type of antena, but get stuff all from Brokers nose.

can anyone reccomend a good antena service in Wollongong ? The last guy checked mine at the outlet and said "you've got good reception here", then went outside and proceeded to tell me how my whole sytem is stuffed and needs replacing. 2 antenas, cable, the lot. And the price he quoted just about made me fill my pants.

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Posted 05 April 2007 - 10:59 PM

Gutty,
Use the Yelow pages and ask if they will provide a bit error rate in writing after installation of better than 1 error in 10 000. If they cannot measure the BER then get someone else who can.

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 08:23 AM

Thanks Alan and Horst.

The STB is inbuilt into my Sony LCD, the aerial is probably older than 5 years. I've been there 4 and it was there when i moved in.

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Posted 19 August 2007 - 09:32 PM

Hi.

I've just bought a Pana Ex77 and the auto setup seemed to work fine. BUT THEN:

1) When I first set it up, I got ABC and ABC2. Then it started raining and I lost the ABC channels ("Bad signal"). And still don't have them :(
(however, I was able to tape Dr Who through Austar).

2) I have SBS, WIN and Prime (in fact multiple Prime channels!) but no Capital (Channel 10) - it didn't set up at all.


So, is the ABC thing something to do with the storm last night, or my aerial/other reception issues? (but then how did I get a good pciture before??)

And: do I have to do something special for Channel 10? Or my aerial is to blame? (And it is more than 5 years old ...)

cheers

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Posted 19 August 2007 - 09:41 PM

caredudes,
There is a number of transmitters covering the Illawarra and not knowing where you are its a bit hard. I suggest you look at the first post in this strand inparticular open the NSW link and look for Illawarra.

I would check with neighbours etc. It would appear that you have just enough signal. The strength will drop in the rain which can be made worse if the antenna has cracked insulators and corrosion. Make sure it has not turned in the wind or has been damaged.

AlanH

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 12:27 AM

Hello again.

I am really starting to get into the swing of things and am really wanting to get the sydney channels down here in Wollongong. Before I call a technician in, I wanted to get some background knowledge. I live in Figtree, 2525 and want to know if it is possible to get Nine, Seven and Ten down here in Figtree. Geographically, my west to north is mountains but they are a some good kilometeres from my house. my north to north east is pretty clear, maybe a hill of about 30-50m high and is about half a km away. What type of anatenna would i need, where would i need to point it, what band is needed? Also i would like these channels available on my digital set top box. Please help if you could.

Regards,

Hamil

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 10:00 AM

I live in Figtree, 2525 and want to know if it is possible to get Nine, Seven and Ten down here in Figtree.

Hamil, digital reception in Wollongong is certainly possible :). I have done a few installations in Mangerton, not far from where you are. Your two main local choices for TV channels are the Brokers Nose and Knights Hill transmitters. Have a look at the dba locator guide here. There is a map of coverage area (ABC). The info given is this:-

On-Air UHF 51 Hor 690.5 MHz Broadcast Australia Digital Television Tower KNIG
On-Air UHF 38 Hor 599.5 MHz New WIN tower KNIGHTS HILL
On-Air UHF 36 Hor 585.5 MHz New WIN tower KNIGHTS HILL
On-Air UHF 37 Hor 592.5 MHz New WIN tower KNIGHTS HILL
On-Air UHF 54 Hor 711.625 MHz Broadcast Australia Digital Television Tower KNIG


On-Air UHF 52 Hor 697.5 MHz Broadcast Site Escarpment Road BROKERS NOSE
On-Air UHF 46 Hor 655.5 MHz Broadcast Site Escarpment Road BROKERS NOSE
On-Air UHF 40 Hor 613.5 MHz Broadcast Site Escarpment Road BROKERS NOSE
On-Air UHF 43 Hor 634.5 MHz Broadcast Site Escarpment Road BROKERS NOSE
On-Air UHF 54 Hor 711.625 MHz Broadcast Site Escarpment Road BROKERS NOSE

So for those transmitters you would need a Band V antenna (Band V CH36 - CH69). AlanH's section here shows some antenna choices.

If you can, replace any cabling with good quality RG6 quad shield cable. Note that with the high Band V frequencies, attenuation of received signal will be quite a bit higher in the distribution system (cabling, splitters etc) than for a similar installation using the Sydney transmitters (Band III, around 200 MHz).

Edited by charlesc, 10 September 2007 - 10:04 AM.


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Posted 10 September 2007 - 09:28 PM

Hamil,
Read Get the Best Reception, Sydney and read the links.
Look at the recommendations for long distance reception for band 3 antennas and amplifiers. Forget about getting SBS from Sydney because the Illawarra/Wollongong signals are identical but on different channels. You will need a mast as well. Before embarking on this project, ascertain what programming is different from those of Southern Cross, Prime and WIN. Remember also that it is possible you will not get reception all the time, particularly in the rain, and digital has 3 states, perfect, broken up picturs & sound simultaneously and no signal.

AlanH

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 10:09 PM

..and am really wanting to get the sydney channels down here in Wollongong...
I live in Figtree, 2525 and want to know if it is possible to get Nine, Seven and Ten down here in Figtree.

My apologies, missed that 'Sydney' bit. A large number of the older Wollongong installations would be set to get the Sydney analogue channels, simply because when they went in that was all that was really available. They would typically be characterised by the big multi-element vertical antennas, in many cases the Hills CA16 phased array (good for long distance fringe reception). There is a pic here, but note this one is on its side. You would see them vertically mounted (so their elements are horizontal). These were typically used for analogue Sydney channels, not digital ones though, be careful. Digital channels are transmitted at a lower effective power than the analogue ones. So what may have worked in Wollongong for analogue, may not for digital.

If you are after the Sydney programming, you probably only want channels 7, 9 and 10. I would think ABC and SBS would be the same content from the local transmitters. The Sydney digital channel numbers and frequencies that may possibly picked up in Wollongong would be from the main Sydney transmitters, but if you look in the dba digital locator guide (see my sig) Wollongong is very much in the 'adequate coverage' area.
Frequency and channel details for digital are:-

On-Air VHF 12 Hor 226.5 MHz ABC Tower 221 Pacific Highway GORE HILL
On-Air VHF 6 Hor 177.5 MHz Ch7/10 Tower 192-196 Hampden Road ARTARMON
On-Air VHF 8 Hor 191.625 MHz TCN 9 Television Tower Artarmon Road WILLOUGHBY
On-Air VHF 11 Hor 219.5 MHz Ch7/10 Tower 192-196 Hampden Road ARTARMON
On-Air UHF 34 Hor 571.5 MHz ABC Tower 221 Pacific Highway GORE HILL
On-Air UHF 35 Hor 578.5 MHz ABC Tower 221 Pacific Highway GORE HILL

Note that from a technical point of view, if you concentrate on channels 6 - 12 (digital 7, 9, 10, ABC) you would need a VHF antenna. Just get SBS digital locally.

You may not be able to get Sydney channels on digital. You probably could get Sydney analogue for the time being if you wanted.

Whatever you decide, you will need some very good site survey work done to measure signal levels (digital and maybe analogue) and try a number of antennas. You may very likely need signal amplification. And maybe a mast, although position may be just as important as outright height.

Edited by charlesc, 10 September 2007 - 10:11 PM.


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Posted 24 September 2007 - 10:20 AM

On-Air VHF 12 Hor 226.5 MHz ABC Tower 221 Pacific Highway GORE HILL
On-Air VHF 6 Hor 177.5 MHz Ch7/10 Tower 192-196 Hampden Road ARTARMON
On-Air VHF 8 Hor 191.625 MHz TCN 9 Television Tower Artarmon Road WILLOUGHBY
On-Air VHF 11 Hor 219.5 MHz Ch7/10 Tower 192-196 Hampden Road ARTARMON

You may not be able to get Sydney channels on digital. You probably could get Sydney analogue for the time being if you wanted.
Whatever you decide, you will need some very good site survey work done to measure signal levels (digital and maybe analogue) and try a number of antennas. You may very likely need signal amplification. And maybe a mast, although position may be just as important as outright height.

Hamil, just an update on this.
Last weekend I did a site survey just around the corner from you in Figtree. On a temporary 'survey' mast, a single Band III Fracarro antenna picked up the Sydney channels, albeit at a low level. With some filtering and boosting with the gear I had with me, we were able to receive the Sydney channels with no evident breakups.
The antenna would have been just over single storey roof height, so not particularly high. If something goes ahead with that job, more specific positioning on the roof will be tried, as well as stacking two of those antenna. I am confident on that job that sufficient margins in reception could be achieved both in terms of signal strength and quality.

But it did need the details given by a digital field strength meter to see what was happening, and to maximise what was coming in from the antenna.